GT4 WRS Week 48 : "One ring for Elise and one for Silvia"

[holl01]

Hey, ran some laps in the silvia forward and used this setup for the heavy beast:

8.0/5.0
105/115
3/4
5/5
1.6/0.8
0/0
3/3
gears at 3
aids- asm understeer at 1, rest at 0
bb default (standard)
lsd standard.


12.834
28.895

forward.

edit: using the exact same setup as the one above, i ran some laps with the elise reverse and flat-out, the cars are stunningly equal in overall lap times, as i just bet the silvia time by a mere .050, with personal best sector times throuout the lap, i lost .1 on the last corner due to a slight misjudgment of the blind corner, but it didnt cost me that much.

9.571
25.077 (p.b by like .25)

 

[shockwaveracing]

well that is a relief coz i never would have gotten near those times Dan

anywayz just read through the rest of this thread and found out that i needed the port polish and engine balance and was running only! 300hp in the silvia, but with a bit more power i should get another 0.2-0.5 out of the old girl at the finish line...

some fresh splits, still testing which is quickest

Elise - Forward (Probably another 0.2-0.4 left in here)
T1: 12.925
T2: 28.837

Elise - Backward
not run yet

Silvia - Forward
T1: 13.283
T2: 29.894

Silvia - Backward
Not run yet

Elise is the polar opposite of the Silvia, coz it is huge fun, and i found the quickest way around was to whip it around like a little biarch, was half a second quicker than controlling it "properly"...

 

[ferrari_chris]

OK, got my combo sorted.

I'll be running Elise - forward and Silvia - reverse.

I ran about 10-15 laps in each car in each direction, and this is best suited to me.

I apprached the task using a time difference principal to make the determination - if for both cars my forward lap was fastest, the car with the smallest difference to the reverse lap would run in reverse. ie: If my Elise was 0.750 slower in reverse and the Silvia only 0.300, then the Silvia would run in reverse as it's only costing me 0.300, rather than the 0.750 I'd lose running the Elise in reverse.

As it turns out I managed to run the Elise quicker forwards, and the Silvia faster reverse (!), so the Elise - forward and Silvia - reverse combo suits me down to the ground.

Now, time to get competitive!

My Elise runs very well standard, but the Silvia is a bit of a pig. Might need some tuning there I think...

 

[Tedehur]

So we submit two separate times, not one combined time?

Yes, because the official results will be made based on the total time, however I'll always post 4 extra boards : 1 for the Elise, 1 for the Silvia, 1 for the forward track and 1 for the reverse track

 

[fasj6418]

oh, damn, i just realised that i will have to run with both girls...

i thought it was just me and little elise...

and i never thought hanging out with two girls at the same time would be bad... only in WRS...

but still, i have to give a proper go with sylvia, maybe i can find a better way to make her obey me...

 

[fasj6418]

Hey, ran some laps in the silvia forward and used this setup for the heavy beast:

8.0/5.0
105/115
3/4
5/5
1.6/0.8
0/0
3/3
gears at 3
aids- asm understeer at 1, rest at 0
bb default (standard)
lsd standard.


12.834
28.895

forward.

edit: using the exact same setup as the one above, i ran some laps with the elise reverse and flat-out, the cars are stunningly equal in overall lap times, as i just bet the silvia time by a mere .050, with personal best sector times throuout the lap, i lost .1 on the last corner due to a slight misjudgment of the blind corner, but it didnt cost me that much.

9.571
25.077 (p.b by like .25)

well, they are equal but in my laps, the foward lap is 0´7 faster than the reverse... it might be equal if you run the elise reverse and the sylvia foward, but if you make it the other way, it will be a 1´5 second difference or so...

 

[Tedehur]

and i never thought hanging out with two girls at the same time would be bad... only in WRS...

Shhhht ! We do have some girls among us and I always noticed they're rather flinty about this.

 

[holl01]

well, they are equal but in my laps, the foward lap is 0´7 faster than the reverse... it might be equal if you run the elise reverse and the sylvia foward, but if you make it the other way, it will be a 1´5 second difference or so...

yeah, thats true, the forward direction is faster than the reverse, so obviosly the elise is faster than the silvia, fairly substantially.

i think overall it would be faster to run the slower car on the fast route, and the faster car on the slower route, as u want the most track time with the faster car than u do with the slower car:tup: so if u use the elise on the fast route (ie.forward) u will be waisting the car to a certain extent, wheras if u use the elise on the slower route, u will be maximising the time u have with the fast car, hence u will have a faster overall time.

so in conclusion:

run elise reverse, and silvia forward:tup: IMO

 

[Small_Fryz]

Sounds like good logic Dan, as well as maximising the fast car, you also minimise the slow car

 

[holl01]

yep indeed, and using asm understeer set to 1 proved to be substantially faster in both cars, as it helps u to turn at fast speeds without the need to brake as much- the mechanism will act as the brake to a certain extent. and the lsd doesnt help much at all, with the silvia especially. so set to standard, and also brakes at standard for both cars. the silvia is prone to wheel spin though, so avoid spinning the wheels at all costs as u will instantly loose tenths that way, i submitted my times to flatout very enjoyable combo once again flatout

 

[fasj6418]

the ASM is a gold weapon with tuned cars... racing cars or normal cars, when you increase the power, sometimes the rest of the car (brakes, chassis, etc...) is not prepared to absorb that so that´s why i´m also a friend of the ASM since the week we had the Nismo 400R at seoul:tup:

 

[Jump_Ace]

This actually a good combo, really enjoying the Elise on this tight track and will do some laps in the Silvia after jury duty today.... heheh

Silvia Ring Reverse:
T1 - :9.919
T2 - :26.181

Settings: Kind of a hybrid of Dan and my own settings here, worked out great for me so far...
Spring Rate: 7.5/8.5
Ride Height: 100/105
Bound: 7/8
Rebound: 7/8
Camber Angle: 2.3/1.5
Toe Angle: 0/0 (played around with this in the Elise and didn't think it made any difference)
Stabilizers: 4/5
Transmission: Auto 3
Driving Aids: 0/1/0
Limited Slip: Standard (will attempt some laps with 5/5/5 later)
Brakes: 5/5


jump_ace

 

[ROB 256R]

New splits.

111R Normal - Auto - DFP - Div2
T1 - 13.125
T2 - 29.650

S15 Reverse - Auto - DFP - "
T1 - 09.922
T2 - 26.278

 

[oldphart]

First off ... 👍 Holl0 for once again sharing your set-up
As I'm still new with the GT aspects, they give me a direction to head towards.

Ellise (R)
T-1 9.994
T-2 26.555

Silva (F)
T-1 13.638
T-2 31.131

Obvious T-2 trouble on both directions but, but really like the concept of this week 👍 Just need some time with the cars.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Elise Ring Reverse: Feels alright and I love this car WAY more than the Silvia
T1 - :9.687
T2 - :25.416

Okay so I tinkered with all the possible scenarios and I have concluded the following to be the fastest combo, based on my preferences atleast and to make the LB easier for Colby

Autumn Ring Mini Forward:
Elise:
T1 - :12.881
T2 - :28.758

Autumn Ring Mini Reverse:
Silvia:
T1 - :9.897
T2 - :26.020

jump_ace

 

[evolution8]

I may actually have time to make a submission this week, woohoo! Been snowed under with work at the mo.

Bought the Elise, these are my (seriously average) times so far

Forward - T1 - 13.313
T2 - 30.334

Reverse - T1 - 10.010
T2 - 26.515

Not tuned them any more than the requirements tho, so will play with that a bit later on.

Need to find a Silvia now!

 

[Tedehur]

Hi evolution8, and welcome (back) to the WRS.

 

[Tyre King]

This actually a good combo, really enjoying the Elise on this tight track and will do some laps in the Silvia after jury duty today.... heheh
jump_ace

Gordon Bennet Jerome!

Who the Fcuk is on trial? M. Jackson again?

Mind you in the US courts it takes 6 years to convict someone of 'Jaywalking', what with technicalities, appeals, miss-trails, double Geoffery......etc.

Personally I think you is in LURV!

Deeply, darkly, in-dupitably, in LURV!

Or maybe Lust?

Jury Duty.........Pah!

Admit it! You is letting a woman get in the way of your real fun!
Neil

 

[Jake]

Just ran 15 laps reverse with the Silvia. I tried Holl01's settings and shaved .254 off my best time. Thanks man! His setup makes the car stick quite well, compared to what I was running before. There's a lot less slippage now...

 

[Jake]

Silvia Reverse:

I did some shock adjustments and a gear change and managed to subtract another .316 👍 (I guess she doesn't mind drifting) Somehow, though, I haven't seen a T1 under 10.xx since last nights 9.981. I am making it all up in T2 and the final corner. Progress feels good!

10.129
26.626

 

[GT Pro]

Just been running heaps of laps with the Elise and Silvia:

Best Splits I can seem to get at the minute are:

Elise:Forward-
T1-0'13.517
T2-0'30.625

Silvia:Reverse-
T1-0'10.128
T2-0'26.653

But I'm still oh-so-close trying to shave off my time and pull off a 9 sec pass on T1 at Autumn Ring Mini Reverse

 

[Jake]

Ran some Elise Forward laps... (great car, lame driver )

13.156
30.239

 

[Casio]

Some half descent times.

Elise - Reverse
T1 - 9.592
T2 - 25.204

 

[Jump_Ace]

Gordon Bennet Jerome!

Who the Fcuk is on trial? M. Jackson again?

Mind you in the US courts it takes 6 years to convict someone of 'Jaywalking', what with technicalities, appeals, miss-trails, double Geoffery......etc.

Personally I think you is in LURV!

Deeply, darkly, in-dupitably, in LURV!

Or maybe Lust?

Jury Duty.........Pah!

Admit it! You is letting a woman get in the way of your real fun!
Neil

Hahaha....no really I had jury duty today, but I didn't get selected to be in the jury box, so I had an hour or so to race today! And Neil, if I may ask...wtf is LURV?!?!? heheh....love? Love is such a strong word anyway....finding a new job is what is really getting in the way of the real fun as of late. Truly enjoying this whole combo setup tho Cyril, top notch!

jump_ace

 

[steven]

I think I'll put my effort on the Elise @ forward race, because I see a 12.5 / 28.5 possible. I don't know the reverse track much and I'm crap at tuning so the Silvia will probably remain a brick to drive all week long.

i think it would really help if you used a best voted setup from gtvault to help you improve your driving and times.

i did both directions in both cars using a gtvault setup for the elise and my own setup for the sylvia.

elise forward: t1=13.398 t2=31.604
elise reverse: EDIT t1=9.97 t2=27.407 L=sub 4x at last
sylvia forward: t1=13.879 t2=31.246
sylvia reverse: t1=10.387 t2=27.549

so i guess the new bottom for the board is set

 

[Casio]

Oi Flat-out, what's with the capital letter. Don't think I don't notice these things. I liked it much better the way before.

 

[Alpine3]

Little session tonight.. trying to get back into the thick of things with all the new competition in D1.
Read some strategies, and dan's analogy makes sense to me too so i guess i'll stick with it unless someone else proves the opposite is faster (I hate screwing around, just love driving =) ).

Only raced the silvia on forward tonight and my T-times are as follows:
T1: 13.002
T2: 29.257

Little bit of fidgeting with the settings, no aids.

(edit)
Threw the Elise around the track for a while.. and u literally have to throw this car around and drift into some of the turns. That's what i found working best for me.
Elise-reverse:
T1: 9.608
T2: 25.292
and made a little boo boo in the final corner ... sigh

 

[ferrari_chris]

Some splits from me.

Elise - forward:

T1: 13.014
T2: 29.739

I think I'll get a final time with the Elise by Saturday, then switch to the Silvia. Save chopping and changing around...

 

[steven]

i wonder if the following has ever come up, but since this is such a bumpy ride it might come in handy to know the outcome.

in wrs rules you cannot touch the grass by more than two wheels, but what if you touch the air above the grass by four wheels?

this situation has occurred to me a few times now in the duoring wrs. you cut a rumble strip corner, take off into the air, fly above the grass and land with two wheels on the rumble strip or tarmac.

your weary directions please flatout

 

[ferrari_chris]

i wonder if the following has ever come up, but since this is such a bumpy ride it might come in handy to know the outcome.

in wrs rules you cannot touch the grass by more than two wheels, but what if you touch the air above the grass by four wheels?

this situation has occurred to me a few times now in the duoring wrs. you cut a rumble strip corner, take off into the air, fly above the grass and land with two wheels on the rumble strip or tarmac.

your weary directions please flatout

I've also thought of this scenario, and had the same thing happen to me at this track.

I've considered it dirty, as all four wheels are outside the line of the track.

But this kind of opens a whole new can of worms: The rules say two wheels on the track, but what about jumps? Trial Mountain, Seattle etc. Technically in breach of the rules?