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Can you give a brief explanation on why a jailbroken PS3 is a bad thing for sony?
GT5 delayed
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Can you give a brief explanation on why a jailbroken PS3 is a bad thing for sony?
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- Minikkonen
My guess is that it's marketing, they want GT5 to blow everything else out of the water. But, if they would have acted like professional businessmen, then they would have realized way back in freaking June when they initially announced the date that it wasn't a good idea.
Supposedly, it's coming out in 2010 (can we believe it this time?). I'm not gonna pretend I know what goes into developing a game like some people do here but, is a one month delay really gonna help anything development-wise? They should have already started making copies of the game by now.
I think Kaz actually let go of the game, but the big-wigs at Sony saw Christmas trees in the shape of dollar signs and delayed it.
Supposedly, it's coming out in 2010 (can we believe it this time?). I'm not gonna pretend I know what goes into developing a game like some people do here but, is a one month delay really gonna help anything development-wise? They should have already started making copies of the game by now.
I think Kaz actually let go of the game, but the big-wigs at Sony saw Christmas trees in the shape of dollar signs and delayed it.
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- Ardius_
Most hilarious thread I've ever read. 
The ignorance of some (or should I say, a lot?) people...
GT5 won't be delayed very much further, Sony are not idiots, they want to get it out for Christmas. People suggesting this delay is for marketing purposes must be smoking some pretty heavy stuff.
I'm perfectly happy waiting, this game will be epic. Good ridance to those who claim they aren't going to buy the game now, clearly your patience wasn't the greatest. If this was some cheap PSN game that no one cared about, maybe waiting would be something worth complaining about, but considering this game is going to be good, the wait is always worth it. There just simply isn't going to be a game to compare to it.
I fully expect a release before Christmas.
I'm amused people who have apparently "waited 5 years" can't sit and wait a week or two. I very much doubt those who claim they are not going to buy the game are really going to commit to that.
The delay won't be for additional content, its too close to release for them to be altering the content of the game (or at least, adding to). I'm pretty sure the car sounds will be epic anyway
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The ignorance of some (or should I say, a lot?) people...
GT5 won't be delayed very much further, Sony are not idiots, they want to get it out for Christmas. People suggesting this delay is for marketing purposes must be smoking some pretty heavy stuff.
I'm perfectly happy waiting, this game will be epic. Good ridance to those who claim they aren't going to buy the game now, clearly your patience wasn't the greatest. If this was some cheap PSN game that no one cared about, maybe waiting would be something worth complaining about, but considering this game is going to be good, the wait is always worth it. There just simply isn't going to be a game to compare to it.
I fully expect a release before Christmas.
I'm amused people who have apparently "waited 5 years" can't sit and wait a week or two. I very much doubt those who claim they are not going to buy the game are really going to commit to that.
The delay won't be for additional content, its too close to release for them to be altering the content of the game (or at least, adding to). I'm pretty sure the car sounds will be epic anyway
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Most hilarious thread I've ever read.
The ignorance of some (or should I say, a lot?) people...
GT5 won't be delayed very much further, Sony are not idiots, they want to get it out for Christmas. People suggesting this delay is for marketing purposes must be smoking some pretty heavy stuff.
I'm perfectly happy waiting, this game will be epic. Good ridance to those who claim they aren't going to buy the game now, clearly your patience wasn't the greatest. If this was some cheap PSN game that no one cared about, maybe waiting would be something worth complaining about, but considering this game is going to be good, the wait is always worth it. There just simply isn't going to be a game to compare to it.
I fully expect a release before Christmas.
I'm amused people who have apparently "waited 5 years" can't sit and wait a week or two. I very much doubt those who claim they are not going to buy the game are really going to commit to that.
If it is a week or 2, that isn't a big deal, but if it is like sometime in dec, than I'm very angry. I passed up on recent games because GT5 was just weeks away, now my plans are ruined. At this point, I rather get a 360 and Forza.
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Early December would be a "few weeks", so December is highly likely to be the new release date.
Getting Forza is a mistake. You will see, I really don't understand why you guys can't wait just that little bit longer? Haven't you already seen enough to know this game is going to be amazing?
Getting Forza is a mistake. You will see, I really don't understand why you guys can't wait just that little bit longer? Haven't you already seen enough to know this game is going to be amazing?
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Idea for Kaz/PD if he/they happen to read this post:
Stay in Japan and finish the effin game! Quit traveling to different locations to either drive exotic cars or be present for some other auto related function. YOUR JOB AS OF TODAY IS A GAME PROGRAMMER!!!! After you release the game, sure, take some time off to test drive a new car and take it out for some laps around Laguna Seca.
I heard that there may have been bugs in the game. Guess what, this would not be the first time for a patch. Crap, every time I boot up my PS3, there is always some type of update/patch that needs to be downloaded. Also, did November 2, 2010 sneak up on you? Not me, I have been patiently waiting for the game and will continue to do so.
Kaz, take one final smoke break and get your act together. We will be patiently be waiting on your results. By the way, if you are trying to please yourself, then I understand. If you are trying to please the masses by making tweaks to the game, then you will be working on this for the rest of your life because you WILL NOT PLEASE EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THIS GAME!
As you were .
Stay in Japan and finish the effin game! Quit traveling to different locations to either drive exotic cars or be present for some other auto related function. YOUR JOB AS OF TODAY IS A GAME PROGRAMMER!!!! After you release the game, sure, take some time off to test drive a new car and take it out for some laps around Laguna Seca.
I heard that there may have been bugs in the game. Guess what, this would not be the first time for a patch. Crap, every time I boot up my PS3, there is always some type of update/patch that needs to be downloaded. Also, did November 2, 2010 sneak up on you? Not me, I have been patiently waiting for the game and will continue to do so.
Kaz, take one final smoke break and get your act together. We will be patiently be waiting on your results. By the way, if you are trying to please yourself, then I understand. If you are trying to please the masses by making tweaks to the game, then you will be working on this for the rest of your life because you WILL NOT PLEASE EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THIS GAME!
As you were .
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- Ardius_
Every game ever has bugs. I don't know why you want to complain about patching, as that means they can still fix stuff after release, where they otherwise would have been a bit stuck (Gran Turismo 2).
As for the rest - you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes at PD (or even at Sony). Please don't assume laziness is to blame.
Kaz's job isn't as programmer by the way either. Its through his travelling to these auto shows that PD get their hands on various licences and special concept cars. Would you rather not have the Miura? Thought not.
There is no software issues. The games are probably in the pressing stage as we speak. Its far too close for that to be an issue.
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As my user name suggests... I will only be disappointed I won't be making any Time Attacks come November 2nd. Although, I am very busy with school, so the release date does not phase me really. I've been a fan since of the series since I was 7, and I will continue to offer my support no matter how long a delay. As long as I can still post Time Trials when the game releases, I will be happy 
"Patience is a virtue"
"Patience is a virtue"
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So not really
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Unquestionably for Japan.
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I just hope Brian Eno doesn't delay his album also. I was so hyped on the idea of listening to his new album (which would have released the same day as GT5) while playing this game to death.
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I this k its BS. They have taken this long thus far and finally have a release date but then noo... 20 years wasn't enough dev time. Come the 🤬 on. Ill still buy it but its gettinf rediculous.
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er, why? It's not like they haven't done it before, they're now more experienced at announcing delays than releasing games
.People always say this, each time it's delayed.
Wait... you're saying PD and Sony should be thanked for this delay in the form of money? If a PSN Plus-exclusive demo of GT5 were released, I'd make sure to not buy it simply on principle. I shouldn't be giving these people any more money for consistently failing to meet a deadline. They'll still be getting the pre-ordered CE money from me, since it's half paid and it'll still be the overall racing game I prefer on the system. But I can't blame people who are canceling their pre-orders. If I had another system or more widely-ranging video game tastes, I'd do the same thing.
Can I have your time machine when you're done with it, so that I too can know what the final product is like?
I don't think people canceling pre-orders are doing it out of patience. It's the fact PD can't be held to a deadline. Just now I was asked by someone in the chat room if buying it used would mean no money goes to PD. He wants the game, but he doesn't want them to get money from it. And I don't blame him. PD can't care too much about their customers; it'd be one thing if this was a rare occurrence, but it isn't. Hell, PD is the only racing game producer that has made a habit of selling glorified demos in the form of the Prologues, simply because they can't produce a game in a decent amount of time. Why not do something similar to show dissatisfaction with this situation? Buy it a few months later.
You fully expect a release before Christmas? Cool. So did a bunch of us... Christmas '09. Look how that turned out. I find it funny people are already posting new release dates from various sources... as if they matter any more than the Nov 2 date did.
I'm honest enough with myself to admit that I won't be canceling my pre-order, as much as I want to after PD's antics. Sadly if I'm sticking to just PS3, GT5 will still be the default choice for the overall requirements I want from a racing game.
The delay won't be for additional content, its too close to release for them to be altering the content of the game (or at least, adding to). I'm pretty sure the car sounds will be epic anyway
Epically bad? Probably, it's a GT tradition, after all.
Someone needs to be installed in a position of power above Kaz. For all the whinging around here about T10's head guy and some of the stuff he spews, Kaz' "it's basically done, we can release at any time" or "90%" comments are just as bad. Someone needs to keep him on a short leash and surround him with the Webster's definition of "deadline". Make it his phone's background image, his PC, make his alarm clock a spoken definition every day. Whatever.
The fact we might actually get Duke Nukem Forever before GT5 does have me laughing way more than expected. So uh, thanks PD!
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Of course, its all PD's fault and not anyone elses? I like how everyone assumes to know what goes on at PD, who is to blame and why the delays happen. You don't have a clue, really, just quit trying to find reasons and just take it how it is - a simple delay that obviously isn't going to be a long one. (its pretty obvious the game is effectively finished considering the mass of screenshots, trailers and news about the game plus all the marketing...)
If people are cancelling orders because they think PD are lazy/"can't stick to deadlines", then like I say, good ridance as clearly they didn't play many of the previous Gran Turismo games...as the evidence is to the contrary.
Funny people claim this as repeated delays, when really this has been the first delay for anyone except Japan. Delayed expectations maybe, but then people's expectations on this forum are wildly unrealistic.
If people are cancelling orders because they think PD are lazy/"can't stick to deadlines", then like I say, good ridance as clearly they didn't play many of the previous Gran Turismo games...as the evidence is to the contrary.
Funny people claim this as repeated delays, when really this has been the first delay for anyone except Japan. Delayed expectations maybe, but then people's expectations on this forum are wildly unrealistic.
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Sony makes their money in the PS3 game world from licensing fees paid by every company that wants their game released on the PS3. They aren't only concerned with first party sales. This is one of the reasons jailbreak is that bad for Sony. I doubt that the jailbreak thing has anything to do with the delay of GT5 unless they're waiting to push through a system update and release GT5 right after that update in a form that requires the PS3 to have that update installed. That'd be a really lame reason for delaying the game, though.
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I looked it up and saw the article on GTP. I guess I haven't been paying attention to release dates.
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I'm going to cancel my pre-order of the collectors edition today. As it seems GT5 will now come out after my bucks party which was a big reason I was getting it, as I wanted to do some split screen races at the end of the day.
I'm going to pick up Halo: Reach instead, good work PD. I may buy GT5 later down the track but I'm really annoyed at a game getting delayed 3 weeks before it was due out. I've never had this happen to me ever when pre-ordering games so close to the launch date.
I'm going to pick up Halo: Reach instead, good work PD. I may buy GT5 later down the track but I'm really annoyed at a game getting delayed 3 weeks before it was due out. I've never had this happen to me ever when pre-ordering games so close to the launch date.
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Nothing can make some people happy here it seems. If it's not a delay to fix something they found that wasn't up to their standard, it's going to be something in the game to get pissed about that will make you ask the question "Why didn't they fix this?"
Here's my take on this, it's a quote I heard at school while studying 3D modeling for gaming and film:
It takes just as long to get to 80% quality, as it does to get that last 20%.
I believe it was late last year Kaz said in an interview that the game was at 90%. If that was the case, then there was atleast a year left in production, if the game took about 3 years to get to 80%. It's easy to make it look good, but it's hard work that makes it look fantastic, which is what we all want in the end. I appreciate everything PD has done so far, and as an artist, I am VERY impressed with how this game looks given the resources they are limited to with the PS3. Yes, I say limited, because with the quality they are producing, I'd usually expect to only see this perform on better computers, and or see this somewhere else other than realtime gaming.
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Just an FYI there have been two firmware updates since the jailbreak came out. Both of them break the jailbreak. The problem is you can just opt not to get those updates and not connect your PS3 to PSN thus keeping yoru jailbreak intact.
Currently MOH has come out with a requirement to be 3.42 or higher (these are the non jailbreak firmwares) however as with PSP it's looking possible to strip that requirement out of the game. If successful it won't have the effect desired of forcing people to upgrade to a newer firmware.
It's entirely possible Sony are waiting to see what happens with MOH, whether the forced updaete can be removed, or even perhaps they are working on an unremovable forced firmware update more securely embedeed than MOH. Maybe they are working on a trick like Coemasters did with TOCA 3 on the original Xbox.
Or maybe nothing to do with jailbreak protection... anythings possible.
My peronal speculation is jailbreak protection though.
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