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It's 2010, not 2001. Everyone is connected to the internets and patching software is the rule, rather than the exception.
I'll quite happily take whatever build they are currently working with, bugs and all and at least be playing something for the next couple of months until it's fixed.
Despite the best intentions of PD GT5 will have bugs. It's made out of software and all software has bugs, regardless of how many extra years you add to your development schedule - bugs are not pokemon, you can't get them all.
Given that the PS3 has now been cracked I'm sorta hoping someone will blag a working build, in whatever state and stick it on the net. Even a glitchy as hell build of the Ring will keep me going until PD and the Sony execs decide I'm allowed to pay for it.
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Offcourse there will always be people who say "and you did not see this coming? lol i did.."
What makes this unoffical announcement so sad is that we have been setup for a release quite a few times allready.
- 2009.. Kaz states that the game is as good as done.
- Sony rep. states that it will be coming christmas 2009.
- GTplanet aquires documents stating it will be released in 2009.
- Several news sources, websites/mags and even a 1up podcast hint a 2009 release.
and then we get TGS where it says the game is 60% done and it wont come in 2009.. a blow after waiting so long and being so close to, what could have been, a potential release date.
But there is more:
- 2010: Kaz now gives the first official release date on a event.. march 2010 in japan first.. rejoice!
- But oh.. it's been delayed for a month due to "development problems".. but no worries, it's to setup a worldwide release offcourse!
- sony executive now tells us it will be release in fall 2010... what's next? 2011 here we come. hopefully a new trailer at E3 2010 guys!
So to say that we all should have seen this coming is BS.
What makes this unoffical announcement so sad is that we have been setup for a release quite a few times allready.
- 2009.. Kaz states that the game is as good as done.
- Sony rep. states that it will be coming christmas 2009.
- GTplanet aquires documents stating it will be released in 2009.
- Several news sources, websites/mags and even a 1up podcast hint a 2009 release.
and then we get TGS where it says the game is 60% done and it wont come in 2009.. a blow after waiting so long and being so close to, what could have been, a potential release date.
But there is more:
- 2010: Kaz now gives the first official release date on a event.. march 2010 in japan first.. rejoice!
- But oh.. it's been delayed for a month due to "development problems".. but no worries, it's to setup a worldwide release offcourse!
- sony executive now tells us it will be release in fall 2010... what's next? 2011 here we come. hopefully a new trailer at E3 2010 guys!
So to say that we all should have seen this coming is BS.
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I can see where you are coming from, and it is a compromise, but it's about getting the balance of quality (i.e. lack of bugs) to development time about right.
FM3 certainly has just enough critical bugs/glitches that put it the wrong side of a good balance IMO..
PD tend to be slightly the other way, and it's both good and bad, I'd say the 'quality' of the game is much better then most, but it takes too long to develop..
The issue with releasing too early and accepting the bugs, is that you are more likely to get the kind of glitch that compromises the game in an very unnacceptable way. In the case of FM3, there are too many glitches that mean tainted leaderboards, the only real solution is to patch the game and wipe the leaderboards, but this isn't acceptable to the customer..
Has anyone considered that the greediest (and most financially viable) release strategy, would be an initial GT5 'BareBones' drop with the current artwork - for Q2. Probably an older completed GT5 version for planned release.
Followed by various SPEC upgrade packs and add-ons (Tracks / Cars Etc.) via the PSN around Q4.
PD and Sony could then repackage the content and offer bundles running up to Christmas. This would give them 2 or more opportunities for revenue and further increase console sales.
Followed by various SPEC upgrade packs and add-ons (Tracks / Cars Etc.) via the PSN around Q4.
PD and Sony could then repackage the content and offer bundles running up to Christmas. This would give them 2 or more opportunities for revenue and further increase console sales.
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In my book, that's what people who are not fanboys do. And I approve of that behavior. Sort of.
Precisely.
Let us see what he said, shall we?
Kojima
What does this tell me, my friend? Exactly what I said from the beginning. It is only a promise, as he said. The game can always be delayed, even after a release date was said. Thus, I find it to be pointless to have a release date if developers are not going to stick with it, especially in Gran Turismo 5's case, when the game seemingly hasn't been finished. You never know what could happen.
The only belief I have is in what I would do. And just for the record:
You
I ask you, how do you know what he wanted to said, if we don't even have his original words?
My interpretation of what he is saying is not flawed, and if it is, then I can't see why yours isn't.
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Agreed. GT5 is vaporware.
My theory is they are taking so long to finish it because, the longer they take the more competitors come up with better features. I think Forza 3 at E3 2009 shocked them. Remember the big announcement they were going to make then? I mean, we still don't know if we will get 20 tracks + variations (this alone would likely get me to switch), or 70 tracks, or even a track editor.
Even if I am wrong, GT5 is not here and likely not to be for a while yet. Plain ridiculous. Please, please, please Sony/PD, do prove me wrong.
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Good point. By fall or when ever they release it, other games would have improved ( maybe Shift 2, Dirt 3, Superstars V8 2, forza 4 ), they would end up with the same thing. They have to delay because of "Production Issues" again.
And there is also the official WRC game coming up.
At this rate, they will come up with an "old" game.
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The real culprit here is the PS3 v's X360 console war, using exclusive titles as ammo. If Forza 3 was available on PS3 then the whole debate would be moot. GT5 would be out by now (PD would have no other option) and we'd be able to choose between both. This is the exact reason why console manufacturers shouldn't be allowed to own game studios.
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I ask you, how do you know what he wanted to said, if we don't even have his original words?
You even quoted the translation of his words, even accounting for context lost in translation, it's quite unequivocal what he is saying, it's not open to interpretation.
You even quoted it in your reply, and still came to the wrong conclusion.
This isn't about whether developers should set release dates or not, that's another argument (One I fear you are having with yourself, but trying to drag me into), this is about a developer saying once a release date is set how seriously he takes it..
If you want to discuss the merits of setting/not setting release dates in context of Sony/PD etc, that's fine, I have some opinion on that, however we are just clarifying your interpretation of HK's comments which are as clear cut as they can be.
It's not your logic that is flawed, I agree that however against standard business practise not having release dates, it's logically one possibility, It's your interpretation of someone's actual comments that is flawed. The whole thing is about HK profusely apologising for a delay, all the headlines say things like "Hideo Kojima takes delay seriously", he goes at some length to say how sacred the release date is, how he preaches to his team that to delay is a crime..
Now where in his interview does he say anything about not setting release dates, or that release dates are meaningless, please show me where anything remotely infers this, other then your hypothesis of the obvious that "release dates can shift so they should not set any", which although logically constructed, is extremely naive on many levels.
I re-iterate "This isn't about whether developers should set release dates or not, that's another argument (One I fear you are having with yourself, but trying to drag me into), this is about a developer saying once a release date is set how seriously he takes it.. "
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I think it would be pretty funny if the cause of the delay was because of all the mistranslation that goes on between Kaz and his translator, imagine they didn't have night racing for ALL tracks. He gets an e-mail from Sony a week after an interview saying, " night racing on all tracks, that is quite the tall order, were really looking forward to it".
:| Now they have to go back and improve the lighting engine, find out all the light sources on the track,etc.
:| Now they have to go back and improve the lighting engine, find out all the light sources on the track,etc.
but at least they could give us some concrete informations aout the games content(cars,tracks, will there be continued upgrades,etc)
we have been waiting for so long now and we have to, and will wait longer, but for what?
if the game isn`t finished yet, ok no problem, i`m a fan i'll wait
if its done, but for what ever sony do not want to release it, ok no problem i' m a fan i'll wait ( theres not realy choice to it)
but some real facts would be nice, we are fans, we love this game and we want to buy it, there is no reason , for this poor information, we are not their enemy.
i just had all those playstations for gt-series, i want buy any other game for it, got this motorstorm with my ps3(very first gen) didn't even touch it
we have been waiting for so long now and we have to, and will wait longer, but for what?
if the game isn`t finished yet, ok no problem, i`m a fan i'll wait
if its done, but for what ever sony do not want to release it, ok no problem i' m a fan i'll wait ( theres not realy choice to it)
but some real facts would be nice, we are fans, we love this game and we want to buy it, there is no reason , for this poor information, we are not their enemy.
i just had all those playstations for gt-series, i want buy any other game for it, got this motorstorm with my ps3(very first gen) didn't even touch it
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We wont get real solid information until they're ready. When we have solid information, the competition also has the information and set their development schedule accordingly.
Che from turn 10 (forza 3 devs) admitted this about when cockpit's in all cars was confirmed with pre-GT5P news and screenies. If we had no Prologue and no cockpit news, I am certain Forza 3 would never have included them and possibly shift also. So developments and solid news is held off until release nears.
This is why PD will never confirm or deny track editior until a future time, if he confirms it competition will have to gear up for something to combat it with.
Che from turn 10 (forza 3 devs) admitted this about when cockpit's in all cars was confirmed with pre-GT5P news and screenies. If we had no Prologue and no cockpit news, I am certain Forza 3 would never have included them and possibly shift also. So developments and solid news is held off until release nears.
This is why PD will never confirm or deny track editior until a future time, if he confirms it competition will have to gear up for something to combat it with.
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That may be true, but another reason is that some things may simply not make the final game. Like dynamic weather, GT5 already has enough features to keep most people happy for years. GT is one of the games that your content not to complete and if you were going to try to complete it, it would take hours upon hours kind of like GTA. Even when you do complete it, you still keep going back.
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As many as they can justify.
Totally different development team/publisher ethics and priorities.
Truth is I don't even want to see a GT6 for atleast 2-3 years after GT5, releasing GT5 so late concerns me a little that it will run into PS4 time (assuming GT6 will be on PS3). I also await a Tourist Trophy 2.
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Mr. James Armstrong... isn't he the man who also stated (apparently) something similar in Dec./2008?... http://playstation.joystiq.com/2008/12/01/gran-turismo-5-coming-christmas-2009/
This is why PD will never confirm or deny track editior until a future time, if he confirms it competition will have to gear up for something to combat it with.
Why do they try to invent the game new?
Che from turn 10 (forza 3 devs) admitted this about when cockpit's in all cars was confirmed with pre-GT5P news and screenies. If we had no Prologue and no cockpit news, I am certain Forza 3 would never have included them and possibly shift also. So developments and solid news is held off until release nears.
Wow, sorry for me the cockpit wasn't a need, never use it in gt5p
Just want a gt5 no gt5forzashiftgriddirt all in one wonder
A tuned up gt5p with all the tracks and cars from preavious gt-series, maybe a few new ones, good online multiplayer, the possibly to dl new stuff(cars, tracks)fotomodus and replays, for me this would be it.
Why always more and more and worse and worse?
Why do they try to invent the game new?
Che from turn 10 (forza 3 devs) admitted this about when cockpit's in all cars was confirmed with pre-GT5P news and screenies. If we had no Prologue and no cockpit news, I am certain Forza 3 would never have included them and possibly shift also. So developments and solid news is held off until release nears.
Wow, sorry for me the cockpit wasn't a need, never use it in gt5p
Just want a gt5 no gt5forzashiftgriddirt all in one wonder
A tuned up gt5p with all the tracks and cars from preavious gt-series, maybe a few new ones, good online multiplayer, the possibly to dl new stuff(cars, tracks)fotomodus and replays, for me this would be it.
Why always more and more and worse and worse?
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I think what Sony are mistaken about, is that, if you have a finished product on your hands, you don't just hold it back for an extensive period of time, especially, if it's a technological product, because quite simply the industry standard is strictly rising and never falling. That means in relative terms, if you release later, your product will be worse compared to others than if you release when it's finished.
Either Sony is in complete disregard of that fact, or massively convinced they are lightyears ahead with GT5, and that their competition is in no position to even remotely catch up until they release, even if they wait a year.
Either Sony is in complete disregard of that fact, or massively convinced they are lightyears ahead with GT5, and that their competition is in no position to even remotely catch up until they release, even if they wait a year.
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