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[amar212]

GTPlanet is not the majority.

This^^ Some people really think that GTP is GT5 majority. This is why this site is so damn good. 👍

Exactly. GTPlanet - just like every other community site - is the "vocal minority" at best. With every single member ever registered in past decade, it represents less than 5% of complete sales of GT5. Which absolutely falls under the margin of the "mistake in statistics"

"Silent majority" are millions of people who buys the game and do not care complaining or do not have the mean to be present here.

I do not say our voice does not matter - everything so far clearly shows the great awarness GTP has among PD and Kaz personally - bit thinking about ourselves as "majority" is really utterly egoistic

Example from the first hand: I have a small community focused on Crotian GT players, somewhere around 150 members and maybe 100 active out of that. Just part of them are members here and almost none of them takes any effort in discussing things what we often dicuss. At this very point, 4 of them are using the Share option to have access to 2 main cars eligible for current Seasonal Events Time Trials and they're too busy in successfully setting their Top 10 worlwide times. They dont care about Standard cars, livery editor, DLC, new A spec events, grinding, lack of tracks, online options, overall leaderboards, matchmaking, whatever... they're too busy in enjoying what game offers them at this very point and I can assure you they are having a time of their lives.

Those people are silent majority. And for them GT5 is the perfect game in every mean imaginable, without any single objection. It is maybe hard to comprehend something like that, but when PD collects the data from Time Trials and see that more than 500.000 GT5 players have set their time in last 2 weeks of activity, I think they know they're doing the right thing.

At least it seems like that IMO.

 

[sinbad]

Of course we are not a great percentage of the total number of players, but that doesn't mean our views and opinions do not represent those of the majority of players.
I don't think speaking on a forum about a topic should devalue an opinion, and certainly a consensus of opinion should not be ignored simply because it is voiced by an internet community.

If PD were to do market research, they would use a far smaller group than we have on here.

Of course I'm not saying that an internet forum's collective opinion IS representative of the entire user-base, but surely it sometimes is and afaik there's no evidence that it definitely would not be.

 

[maxpontiac]

Nope, the problem is that what Kaz wants isn't usually what the gaming public want.

According to who exactly? The people who don't like this game or don't have it anymore?

Just setting itself up for a poor GT6 release then? Majority seem unhappy.

GTPlanet is not the majority. The sales of GT5 were posted earlier and the game is still doing great even though it has been close to a year and half a later.

You can rest assured that PDI has noticed that GT5 is outselling FM4 right now on a monthly basis.

Why is that?

I wouldn't read too much into that, people complain about everything these days. I'm sure GT6 will sell just fine.

Of course it will. All GT games do. Even if some of GTPlanet isn't 100% happy.

That's just how it is. If PD get a shock from the lack or majority of sales, then they will either try harder or possibly relax a little.

I am positive GT5 has sold close to or better then PDI expected. GT5 offers more then GT3 did in tons of aspects and GT4 has still sold around 10 million copies.

This^^ Some people really think that GTP is GT5 majority. This is why this site is so damn good. 👍

Indeed. What really is disappointing to me about this site is the same people still hang around and post complaints.

... they're too busy in enjoying what game offers them at this very point and I can assure you they are having a time of their lives.

Those people are silent majority. And for them GT5 is the perfect game in every mean imaginable, without any single objection. It is maybe hard to comprehend something like that, but when PD collects the data from Time Trials and see that more than 500.000 GT5 players have set their time in last 2 weeks of activity, I think they know they're doing the right thing.

Isn't that the truth? I saw JDMKING recently post how he noticed how his friends cars lights came on as the sun set on the 'Ring. That is special stuff right there.

Still having a community of 1/2 million players online 18 months or so after release is a testament to what GT5 has done well.

 

[vandaliser]

Nope, the problem is that what Kaz wants isn't usually what the gaming public want. I know it's 'his' game but we're the people buying it, if he just wants to make a game for himself that's fine but when he's trying to sell it to the general public he needs to think about what they as a whole want, not just what he wants.

You're not the gaming public.

I am sorry but folks like these really get my goat. Kaz has given us gran turismo. What have you given the gaming public apart from criticise everything from here to hell and back?

Please, you will never achieve even 1% of what Kazunori san and the rest of Team PD have done. And if you don't like them then no one is forcing to play GT. There are plenty of other games out there

 

[amar212]

Of course we are not a great percentage of the total number of players, but that doesn't mean our views and opinions do not represent those of the majority of players.

Of course, I agree about that 100%. I have nowhere implied something like that.

I don't think speaking on a forum about a topic should devalue an opinion...

Of course not, au contrary. Thank to communities such as GTPlanet those of us who decided to become a part of the vocal minority got a both space and opportunity to voice our opinions to those who care.

...and certainly a consensus of opinion should not be ignored simply because it is voiced by an internet community.

Of course not, nor anybody implied that. However, I just want to highlight how there is no such term such as *consensus* here, because many of us have very different opinions on almost all of the subjects. I personally couldn't care less for any potential vehicle being additionally added in GT5 because I really do not care about more cars than 1100 I have at disposal at this moment, even if Porsches would make a spectacular entry to the series. I personally want more tracks, dozens of them if possible and that is the only thing I personally and subjectively want from GT5. But someone else would never agree with me. That is not the *consensus* at all.

If PD were to do market research, they would use a far smaller group than we have on here.

I agree.

Of course I'm not saying that an internet forum's collective opinion IS representative of the entire user-base, but surely it sometimes is and afaik there's no evidence that it definitely would not be.

There is no *collective opinion* on GTPlanet, nor everywhere where you have a community that is equally made of at least 10 different *type* of members, each of those *types* different by their personal time of playing GT series, playing other driving series, influences on their personal "system of values", age, geographical location, cultural heritage, fields of interests both in real-life or some driving game, etc.

I will again use myself as example and say that I never cared about majority of cars in GT5 being Standard, as long as I had 220+ Premium cars and those Standard cars obeyed all physics and performance rules of Premiums. However, I was always a minority inside *collective opinion* of GTPlanet, at least of those who bothered to vote in different polls backthan. But that is not the consensus. It is the pure example of misconception of democracy where majority gets the mandate to be more *right* than minority. Yeah, since when? Of course, the same implies to overall scope of this discussion - where I do not say how silent majority is more right than us because they do not raise their voice, but we can't also be so egoistic to think we are right. We're equally right while the fitire moves from PD will show us the direction of which they think it is "right" to go. Which will than lay a foundation for future discussions.

Another example is that besides tracks I personally find lack of Official Matchmaking (as seen in GT5: Prologue) the single most important addition I would like to see at GT5 today. For somebody else that would be Leaderboards. And for *visible* vocal majority on GTPlanet that would be Livery Editor. No *collective opinion* again.

Third example is about most desired single *option* to have in game. For me that would be Oil Change while in Pit Area (both offline and online). If we would now create a poll with 10 *option proposals* I can assure you how clear winner would be *fast forward B-Spec*. And I can't explain you how much I personally both love and respect the fact there is no fast-forward in B-Spec. Again, total Clash of the Conceptions™

I am with you on all your points, but every each one of us is an individual and very different. Same goes for all of 200.000+ members of GTPlanet as for other 7 million additional people that went into stores and purchased GT5. Just that, nothing more.

 

[another_jakhole]

Thank the heavens

I love how you mentioned the ability to Fast-forward B-Spec, Amar. Certain situations like that happen far too often.

 

[BrandonW77]

Amar, you're a breath of fresh air. It's so nice to know that somebody else can see the world as it really is and not just through their own, opinionated minds. Different people like/want different things, especially when you're dealing with people from all over the world, and none of their opinions is any more right or wrong than someone else's. If more people realized this there would be fewer pointless Internet arguments.

I also agree with your points about what the game really needs. They just need to focus on making the version we have more useable (like oil changes without having to leave the track/lounge). We've got plenty of cars, we need more tracks to drive them on and more options for how we use them.

 

[JDMKING13]

Amar, you're a breath of fresh air. It's so nice to know that somebody else can see the world as it really is and not just through their own, opinionated minds. Different people like/want different things, especially when you're dealing with people from all over the world, and none of their opinions is any more right or wrong than someone else's. If more people realized this there would be fewer pointless Internet arguments.

I feel you on this Amar post was good as usual. 👍 It sums up how I feel. GT5 is something really special in my opinion and I can see Kaz getting closer to his vision. The future is bright for GT in my opinion. 👍

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Why is that?

That's a good question - one that none of us have the actual answer to, because it's far from the simple "It's better" one. In all likelihood, it's a variety of reasons, as it involves literally millions of people and their decisions

Of course it will. All GT games do. Even if some of GTPlanet isn't 100% happy.

Agreed 👍. This being a fan site, we are sort of pre-disposed to being more critical of the game than the more casual fans, those of whom make up the vast majority of GT5 owners. Amar touches on the topic perfectly, so I'll just echo his statement with this: we do all have very different priorities.

Indeed. What really is disappointing to me about this site is the same people still hang around and post complaints.

In this day and age, more than ever before, change can (and has) happened from companies getting input from their fans through the internet. I imagine that's why a lot of us like to air our criticisms around sites like this; whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we're hoping someone out there reads it and it possibly leads to changes in the game. Not because we don't like it; precisely because we do, and want to see it get better (though, like above, what is and isn't "better" is all up to the individual).

Still having a community of 1/2 million players online 18 months or so after release is a testament to what GT5 has done well.

Agreed, and it will be very interesting to see what sorts of numbers GTAcademy, being a standalone this year, reels in; and even more so, what sort of uptick, if any, we'll see in GT5 sales during and after the event, since it could serve as a very effective taster for GT5 XL for those uninitiated souls out there 👍.

You're not the gaming public.

I am sorry but folks like these really get my goat. Kaz has given us gran turismo. What have you given the gaming public apart from criticise everything from here to hell and back?

Please, you will never achieve even 1% of what Kazunori san and the rest of Team PD have done. And if you don't like them then no one is forcing to play GT. There are plenty of other games out there

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[Dhalism]

now granted i am very very new to the whole GT franchise, so my opinion might seem ignorant, cause it probably is, but as a person who was very involved into progaming in the past i feel that i oughta share my thoughts.

What Kaz is doing is amazing. Granted it's coming along slowly, but it's no easy job. What PD seems to lack in achieving this goal seems to be the same thing you complain it doesn't do - appeal to wider audience. Because in the end more people would mean more Academy winners. Instead of 1 you might get 1 per zone or 1 per country.

I really do wish that they fixed their marketing this time around. Optimally, if for example Blizzard was doing it, GT Academy would be followed by a massive DLC/GT6 Prologue announcement and so forth. Surely the situation is complicated by the wait of PS4, but that could be offset by, again Blizzard-styled, hype and announcements of big and bright future.

Another thing that Kaz realizes(or doesn't but still inadvertently invests in) is the fact that motorsport is a bubble. There is no return on investing in motorsport, the sponsorships are mostly charitable in nature. Here's a quote I saw in the F1 forum by prisonermonkeys

Dillman has potential, but Teixeira is a moving chicane, mostly there because of his Angolan petrodollars (though that's probably what allows Dillman to race).

That's not right, in my opinion, and motorsports absolutely need to expand to the internet. Between hulu, netflix and piracy most people my age I know don't even own a TV. By not streaming races online and promoting everything through the social media the FIA and such are just shooting themselves in the foot, despite having newspapers as an example of what not to do.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

With the user base GT5 has, a regular, focused and coherent stream of DLC (as with Forza) would make them more money than the boxed copy of the game. That's the obvious way to make money between games.

It seems like a massive missed opportunity to me. Just look how well the Spa Francorchamps circuit sold.

I absolutely agree with you, that wasn't the point I was trying to make with my post and if anything it just further perpetuates your comment if you looked into it further.

Point was, if PD didn't do these other jobs they'd find the time to not have so many missed oppurtunities and create revenue from something everyone can use. Building the HUD for the GT-R for example in real life.

 

[Jamezinho]

I absolutely agree with you, that wasn't the point I was trying to make with my post and if anything it just further perpetuates your comment if you looked into it further.

Point was, if PD didn't do these other jobs they'd find the time to not have so many missed oppurtunities and create revenue from something everyone can use. Building the HUD for the GT-R for example in real life.

Yep, agreed.

 

[ch3ng]

I dont know why some People complain about criticism.

GT5 isn't Perfect and only criticism makes a Game better.

I made a Statment

@ the People who criticize criticism

Only criticism Makes a Game better and this are the True passionate fans of a Franchise. Ok Most of them.

If you dont criticize the Publisher and Developer will not work on the Bad parts.

For example the Sound hasn't improved - much - since GT1. Why you ASK? Because some Fans buy the Game anyway and See in this example PD as gods or something like that.

You spend Money and i think we - the costumer - have the right to criticize a Game/Developer/Publisher.

In short PD has the best skills available, but t10 beats them big time in production, prioritization,and managing resources.
E.g car sounds in Forza are not amazing, GT just sucks in this department. Games like driv3r San Francisco have much better sounds even as they are not even trying to be realistic.

PD and Turn10 are both Great Developer Teams. I can't say which has better or worse skills....
Forza has realistic Sound

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All Games Out there have much to improve and they improve Things if the Community Wants more.
CoD and some GT Fans didnt complain and they Get less improvments.

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Developer Needs New Goals or a New Target and they can gain Motivation, Targets from criticism. We can Push the Developer and Franchise to New highs.

 

[FoolKiller]

I dont know why some People complain about criticism.

Because sometimes we want to enjoy something without hearing the same laundry list of complaints over and over and over. Chances are few people think it is perfect (God knows I don't) and 99% of the complaints we still hear today have been voiced more than enough for PD To have gotten the message 10 times over.

There are plenty of things I dislike in the entertainment world. I don't hang out on their fan sites and then complain about them for three years. Either the negatives are enough to make me find something better or it is actually good enough for me to enjoy it despite my complaints.

 

[JDMKING13]

Because sometimes we want to enjoy something without hearing the same laundry list of complaints over and over and over. Chances are few people think it is perfect (God knows I don't) and 99% of the complaints we still hear today have been voiced more than enough for PD To have gotten the message 10 times over.

There are plenty of things I dislike in the entertainment world. I don't hang out on their fan sites and then complain about them for three years. Either the negatives are enough to make me find something better or it is actually good enough for me to enjoy it despite my complaints.

Whoop there it is^^^. I just don't understand how people can just complain all the time about the same thing over and over. There was a period on GTP where it was like the twilight zone same complaining every day. What are you going to do

 

[another_jakhole]

^^^ 👍 👍
That happened when I first joined. Around the time of the tragedy in Japan too. A good number of people said that it didn't affect anyone at PD even though it isn't exactly the best thing to assume that. Later on from Kaz, what did we learn?

I dont know why some People complain about criticism.

GT5 isn't Perfect and only criticism makes a Game better.

I made a Statment

We criticize the people who don't know how to post without sounding or being nasty.

Whether it's to PD, Kaz, OTHER MEMBERS, it doesn't matter how good your points are. I'm not saying everything those people say is wrong. The way they say it is.

If you dont criticize the Publisher and Developer will not work on the Bad parts.

That's perfectly said.
Some people might have to add some jabs in there to make themselves feel better.


Saying, "Six years and this all they came up with", is completely pointless and doesn't add anything besides the fact that someone was dissatisfied with the game.

Forza has realistic Sound

This I don't understand (even though you weren't meaning it in a dirty way). So if I were to rebut that in any way, I guess that would mean I'm criticizing criticism? I don't think so.

E.g car sounds in Forza are not amazing, GT just sucks in this department. Games like driv3r San Francisco have much better sounds even as they are not even trying to be realistic.

Everything Raitziger said was fine, but I disagree completely. PD doesn't "suck" in the sound department. I've stated that even though FM has "better" sounds, I prefer GT's because they simply sound more natural. It's not to say all car sounds in GT are better.

And again, it's not like I can't admit FM is the better game. I completely prefer all that GT5 offers over everything that the FM series has provided. If there was only a GT5P, my obvious choice would be to choose to buy FM4. BUT THEN, that would mean paying for an even more expensive steering wheel than the DFGT.

I don't understand why people think we're biased when it's clear that some people are only here to nitpick GT5's shortcomings, and then I have to come in and quote/source information that either explains or justifies something being the way it is.



I can't justify "no leaderboards". I never have. But, I can explain it through a quote... sort of. Keep in mind, this is one of the loosest explanations that I've quoted for something.


One day after GT5 released, this interview was posted.

Eurogamer: On a specific note, will you be adding online matchmaking soon?

Kazunori Yamauchi: In this release we focused on the features that allow close friends to race together. Online updates are planned of course for leaderboard and matchmaking - [they're] all planned in the process of evolution.

Did people know that the idea of Standards having cockpit view was let go because of the way it looked? Meaning Kaz didn't like how it looked, so he scrapped it. People wanted it, Spec 2 brought it, and a good number of people thought it was "half-assed".

Many, many, MANY times I have to repeat the same things through quotes mostly.

For example the Sound hasn't improved - much - since GT1. Why you ASK? Because some Fans buy the Game anyway and See in this example PD as gods or something like that.

New:
The sound improved with Spec 2. Then with wind noise, although to some people it negatively affected them. Your belief of that seems crazy to me. I hope for obvious reasons.


GT5 Still Not Perfect (duhhh)
http://www.gamerzines.com/playstation/news-ps3/yamauchi-gt5-still-not-perfect.html

 

[JDMKING13]

^^^ 👍 👍
That happened when I first joined. Around the time of the tragedy in Japan too. A good number of people said that it didn't affect anyone at PD even though it isn't exactly the best thing to assume that. Later on from Kaz, what did we learn?




We criticize the people who don't know how to post without sounding or being nasty.

Whether it's to PD, Kaz, OTHER MEMBERS, it doesn't matter how good your points are. I'm not saying everything those people say is wrong. The way they say it is.



That's perfectly said.
Some people might have to add some jabs in there to make themselves feel better.


Saying, "Six years and this all they came up with", is completely pointless and doesn't add anything besides the fact that someone was dissatisfied with the game.



This I don't understand (even though you weren't meaning it in a dirty way). So if I were to rebut that in any way, I guess that would mean I'm criticizing criticism? I don't think so.


Everything Raitziger said was fine, but I disagree completely. PD doesn't "suck" in the sound department. I've stated that even though FM has "better" sounds, I prefer GT's because they simply sound more natural. It's not to say all car sounds in GT are better.



Many, many, MANY times I have to repeat the same things through quotes mostly.

With the sound I really enjoy GT5 sound. Can they still improve on it.. you darn right they can but at the same time the sound department can sound amazing. Note I have a Samsung and a Pioneer surround sound. My Samsung 7.1 blows the Pioneer 5.1 out the water. This is because of the HDMI output. What GT5 does better than FM in my opinion is sound placement and replays sounds. Drive a MR and you can only hear the audio come from the rear speakers. Drive a FR, FF, AWD and the motor noise come from the front and the exhaust from the rear. During replays GT5 out shines FM4 sound department in my opinion a lot. Also what I like about GT is they don't over do the sounds. Every car in FM4 sound as if they are already upgraded, and this is why so many people love the FM sound department. They also have other great sounds such as grinding the gears tires etc. To me I don't like the Hollywood way the cars sound in FM4, rather the realistic way GT5 portrays the sound.

 

[another_jakhole]

That's completely how I feel about the sounds. Nothing you said can I disagree with.

rather the realistic way GT5 portrays the sound

I say Natural. Okay, ONE thing I disagree with

I own FM4 and honestly both arent like the real thing. It is too difficult to replicate the symphony that comes out of a car
SmokeWeedEveryDay629 1 week ago

Best YouTube comment EVER.

 

[JDMKING13]

That's completely how I feel about the sounds. Nothing you said can I disagree with.


I say Natural. Okay, ONE thing I disagree with



Best YouTube comment EVER.

I like natural better. 👍

 

[Samus]

That's completely how I feel about the sounds. Nothing you said can I disagree with.


I say Natural. Okay, ONE thing I disagree with



Best YouTube comment EVER.

You just admitted you don't even own FM4 so how can you fairly compare them? Lossy compressed youtube videos?

 

[Downhill Dino]

I'm not understanding the issue with sound, that is the videos part. You're hearing the same thing as anyone else would hear right?

 

[JDMKING13]

You just admitted you don't even own FM4 so how can you fairly compare them? Lossy compressed youtube videos?

Ahh come on Simon like it is not the same for GT5. I have a 7.1 surround that makes GT5 sound no where like the Youtube videos people post on here, and still people take the youtube samples over my opinion or the people who say otherwise.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Those who believe the sounds from GT5 sound like crap, which is always from YOUTUBE. Are nothing but NOOBS. 👎

 

[TankAss95]

I wouldn't say that the sounds from GT5 are crap, but rather inconsistent.

 

[another_jakhole]

It's not like comparing physics. edit - Oh yeah

I wouldn't say that the sounds from GT5 are crap, but rather inconsistent.

In many ways, I can understand that. It's true.

At least, they were improved and can still be improved in GT5. Even crashing sounds were improved. That's another thing that says a lot about how Kaz doesn't think the sounds are "perfect".

To anyone that thinks I have no gripe about GT5 sounds: It doesn't mean I LOVE GT5's sounds either. There are certain things that can really be improved. YouTube videos purrrty much prove that V-TEC sounds better in FM4.

 

[Samus]

It's not like comparing physics.

It is. You don't get a true representation of the physics in a video, neither do you with the sound. The game pump out lossless soundtracks in 5.1 surround, youtube videos are stereo and compressed AAC at ~150kbps. The frequencies cut off at around 15khz meaning all of the high end is gone.

Sure, compare GT5 videos to FM4 videos but it's not fair to play one game properly and hear the sounds as intended them compare it to videos of another game with the sounds not as intended.

 

[JDMKING13]

Those who believe the sounds from GT5 sound like crap, which is always from YOUTUBE. Are nothing but NOOBS. 👎

I would not call them noobs but it just kills me because I know GT5 has some great sounds. It also has some very bad sound and this is what everybody runs with. People talk about kill the sound recording team but I think they are doing a great job. Yes they need to add more dynamics to the sounds but to have some people on here destroy the sounds in GT5 when they are actually good and realistic is messed up. I was online yesterday doing a track day in my tuned EG6 and from my rear speaker I could hear something screaming but it was not close. As I kept driving the screaming got louder and louder then all of a sudden The Aventador flew pass me drowning out my exhaust. I asked the guy was it tuned he replied bone stock =). All I could do was smile.

 

[JDMKING13]

It is. You don't get a true representation of the physics in a video, neither do you with the sound. The game pump out lossless soundtracks in 5.1 surround, youtube videos are stereo and compressed AAC at ~150kbps. The frequencies cut off at around 15khz meaning all of the high end is gone.

Sure, compare GT5 videos to FM4 videos but it's not fair to play one game properly and hear the sounds as intended them compare it to videos of another game with the sounds not as intended.

Well I can tell you I have both games and FM4 dosent output in 7.1 so I have to use my 5.1 and even then I still feel the game over doing the sounds. I mean how can a stock Miata sound so mean. Another thing I hate is why do the cars idle so low I have to blast my system just to hear the cars idle, then when driving it sounds In all both have the good and bad. Sorry for the double post.

 

[Samus]

I do agree that some of the FM4 sounds are overdone but we're straying heavily off topic here so probably best to leave it there and get back to GT5 news. Whatever that is.

 

[JDMKING13]

I do agree that some of the FM4 sounds are overdone but we're straying heavily off topic here so probably best to leave it there and get back to GT5 news. Whatever that is.

Agreed.