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I want to add something to the "Who is more arrogant discussion - Yamauchi vs Greenwald"

Both say that their Game is the best. That's Marketing. Yamauchi Said other Racing Games are boring for example. If i remind Correct ;)

"Yamauchi said: “ In fact, I find it hard to play the other games in more than five minutes at a time. Previews low level of quality really shines through
in the other games and I can not keep them out! But there are a lot of things we
still think is imperfect compared to GT5.”"

gamingbolt.com/kazunori-yamauchi-criticizes-other-racing-games
 
How is that Kaz being arrogant?

https://www.gtplanet.net/brand-new-real-time-damage-coming-to-gran-turismo-5/
GB: You seem to be more concerned about your competitors…

KY: To tell you the truth, when I’m interested in other games, it’s really difficult to not look at them with the creator’s eyes. I notice some details and I think to myself: “oh, they must have really hard worked on this point” or “hmm, they must have lacked time for this very aspect”. I can’t prevent myself from putting me in their place.



GB: More than 10 years after Gran Turismo’s debut, what will you record from Polyphony Digital’s evolution?

KY: I will probably surprise you but, since more than 10 years I design Gran Turismos we never told ourselves that we were the best, the numbers one. As far as I search in my memories, I can’t remember a moment when we felt satisfied with what we’ve achieved because we always want to make it better. That being said, maybe that when everything will be over, the day I will not make video games anymore, I will feel this satisfaction… but this is not in the near future.
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FM3? Really?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/225192/turn-10-difficult-to-replicate-forza-3/
 
another_jakhole
How is that Kaz being arrogant?
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Well maybe that answers your question.

Yamauchi said: “ In fact, I find it hard to play the other games in more than five minutes at a time. Previews low level of quality really shines through
in the other games and I can not keep them out! But there are a lot of things we
still think is imperfect compared to GT5.”"

gamingbolt.com/kazunori-yamauchi-criticizes-other-racing-games

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Both have to marketing their product and Greenwald did this in your link, but he showed Some respect to GT. Yamauchi not really.

In my opinion both try to marketing and Push their product. Some would say its arrogant
 
SimonK
So let me get this right, Playstation sponsors races and all is good, Microsoft do the same and they're evil, it's all about the money etc? Get a grip people, what do think Sony paid with, buttons?
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The problem is SONY doesn't pay enough to push their product. Advertising sells product. SONY's advertising dept. heads are clueless. And yes, for those of us not playing both sides in this" console war", M$ Xbox is pure evil.

Forza conquered GT in F4 vs GT5 and now they are taking on NFS and Test Drive with that new game that's not even made by Turn 10, but uses their engine.
 
DaveTheStalker
The problem is SONY doesn't pay enough to push their product. Advertising sells product. SONY's advertising dept. heads are clueless. And yes, for those of us not playing both sides in this" console war", M$ Xbox is pure evil.

Forza conquered GT in F4 vs GT5 and now they are taking on NFS and Test Drive with that new game that's not even made by Turn 10, but uses their engine.
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I think the GT franchise is well known enough to not need Advertising as much as some other games/game franchises, but saying that, for allot of kids to be taken away from shooting Zombies, PD need to look at advertising once again like they did awesomely and with great effect in the early days. GT is 14-15 year old franchise, the fan base are getting older, having families and moving on, PD do have to be careful and look to target the newer gamers.
 
PAPPACLART
I think the GT franchise is well known enough to not need Advertising as much as some other games/game franchises, but saying that, for allot of kids to be taken away from shooting Zombies, PD need to look at advertising once again like they did awesomely and with great effect in the early days. GT is 14-15 year old franchise, the fan base are getting older, having families and moving on, PD do have to be careful and look to target the newer gamers.
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GT3 had good ads. The commercial with a driver pulling over in the middle of a race on Tokyo R246 was creative. Wasn't there an ad that used the Super Speedway?

GT4 had a couple of ads that were not really memorable; Mom bringing home gifts, and then a commercial that misled us with engine sounds. Dodge did the same with their 4 cylinder that had a V8 transplant. There was a BMW ad that used HSR footage. They paid for product placement in the movie "Wild Hogs".

The PS3 ad campaigns being solely dependent on Kevin Butler was/is dumb. There has been one commercial (in the US) for GT5 that I can remember. I haven't seen GT5 on any TV shows or movies. I doubt Major League Gaming will be using or has used GT5 for racing game comps?

SONY allowing M$ to outbid them demonstrates a lack of passion and confidence in the product, IMO. Sales of GT5 also reflect the game's state. Frankly, GT5 should've been released when GT5P was. GT5 being released so late in the PS3 dev cycle was a mistake.

If Turn10 wanted theirs product to be THE dominant racing game, it wouldn't be isolated to the Xbox.

I can't wait until next year, pCARS is looking promising!
 
DaveTheStalker
SONY allowing M$ to outbid them demonstrates a lack of passion and confidence in the product, IMO. Sales of GT5 also reflect the game's state. Frankly, GT5 should've been released when GT5P was. GT5 being released so late in the PS3 dev cycle was a mistake.

If Turn10 wanted theirs product to be THE dominant racing game, it wouldn't be isolated to the Xbox.

I can't wait until next year, pCARS is looking promising!
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I love all of this.
 
GT5 has sold like 7 million, I think it has sold more than its launch state would suggest, which goes to show the influence and power that the GT franchise still has.

The truth is, with all the flaws that GT5 has, as well as all of the complaining on GTP, people will still go out and buy it such is the allure of GT5!!
 
Pro Evolution Soccer. PES is like GT5 and FIFA is like Forza. Could be the other way round depending how you look at it but that's how I liken it.
 
PAPPACLART
GT5 has sold like 7 million, I think it has sold more than its launch state would suggest, which goes to show the influence and power that the GT franchise still has.

The truth is, with all the flaws that GT5 has, as well as all of the complaining on GTP, people will still go out and buy it such is the allure of GT5!!
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The sales of all games in the franchise was posted in a different thread a week or so ago, GT5 sales were a let down. My initial thought on the drop in sales was because of 360's market share rather than the quality of GT5.

My question is, where does GT5 stack up against other racing games on the PS3?
 
DaveTheStalker
The sales of all games in the franchise was posted in a different thread a week or so ago, GT5 sales were a let down. My initial thought on the drop in sales was because of 360's market share rather than the quality of GT5.

My question is, where does GT5 stack up against other racing games on the PS3?
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I think GT5 is the biggest selling racing game Sim/Arcade this generation. 7.3 millions as of December 2011, that is around 7 months ago, so I suspect it would have sold near 8 million by now.

GT5 sales are far from poor in the grand scheme of things.
 
DaveTheStalker
The problem is SONY doesn't pay enough to push their product. Advertising sells product. SONY's advertising dept. heads are clueless. And yes, for those of us not playing both sides in this" console war", M$ Xbox is pure evil.

Forza conquered GT in F4 vs GT5 and now they are taking on NFS and Test Drive with that new game that's not even made by Turn 10, but uses their engine.
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Forza conquered GT??? I think sales numbers might have something to say about that.

As for Sony not advertising GT5..... It's the only game I remember seeing that not only got it's own advertising from Sony but also got mentioned in advertising for other games.....

who remembers "Man Furismo Jive"?
 
DaveTheStalker
The PS3 ad campaigns being solely dependent on Kevin Butler was/is dumb. There has been one commercial (in the US) for GT5 that I can remember. I haven't seen GT5 on any TV shows or movies.
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If I recall, preorders had already exceeded or come close to Forza 3's total sales. I don't know how much it was necessary to create traditional advertising. And non-broadcast advertising plays a large role, and being judge of and having the best in show award named after the series at SEMA probably gets a lot of eyes on the brand in their target demographic. The same goes for sponsoring vehicles racing at venues all over the globe, as well as a NASCAR tie-in.

SONY allowing M$ to outbid them demonstrates a lack of passion and confidence in the product, IMO.
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Or has a whole lot more to do with the fact that Sony reported a $1 billion loss in their last financial report.

PAPPACLART
GT5 sales are far from poor in the grand scheme of things.
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Especially when you consider that the reported profits from Prologue were more than enough to cover the reported development costs of GT5. Sales might have been lower than the other GT titles, but they were as near to 100% profit as a retail item can get.


GT5 might not be as good as the others in the series, might not have been marketed to the mainstream as well as its predecessors or competition, and it might be tied to the lowest selling of the consoles, but to ignore that despite all of that it still sold better than the competition and was bringing in profit from release is not giving it the credit it deserves. From a business and marketing point of view it was a success. But in 20 years the sales compared to other GT games will be noticed more than anything else.

So, what one determines as success here is subjective. It's all in how you measure it.
 
I still don't believe in this "Forza vs GT" war, all I see is morons obsessively insulting each other over games. I've only ever played GT purely due to me only ever being able to afford one console, but I never had this fanboy mechanism to always go "GT Forever!!, Forza sucks". I remember saying I don't like Dan Greenawalt (because he always came off to me as cocky) but never anything about Forza and all this before getting a Xbox 360 and Forza 4(which I'm still set to get sometime soon.).
 
DaveS1138
Forza conquered GT??? I think sales numbers might have something to say about that.

As for Sony not advertising GT5..... It's the only game I remember seeing that not only got it's own advertising from Sony but also got mentioned in advertising for other games.....

who remembers "Man Furismo Jive"?
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I pointed out the ads above. Name one TV show or movie you have seen GT5 being played. You can count on one hand how many TV shows have had a PS3 controller being used. 75% of video game product placement is Xbox.

Man Furismo Jive really highlighted what GT5 is all about. The actual GT5 Butler commercial wasn't exactly awe inspiring. All of the Butler ads are focused his comedy, gameplay was scondery.
 
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GT was a sucess you mentioned it. But Forza is growing and make huge steps.
Sony has to do something or they could lose the Racing market to Forza.

They made mistakes in the past. Look at the Walkman market for example. Now under control by Apple and Sony has no Chance anymore to defend their position. They already Lost.

Same could Happen with the Great GT Franchise. There is a reason for advertisment for Huge Franchise like Halo, CoD or products Coca Cola. They dont do it, because they want to waste money. They do it because the consumer will be reminded about the product and the competition will not gain to much auttention.

Only about 8 products in the World dont Need any advertisment anymore.

Well i would explain this better but my english is Bad.
 
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@ FoolKiller

GT was a sucess you mentioned it. But Forza is growing and make huge steps.
Sony has to do something or they could lose the Racing market to Forza.

They made mistakes in the past. Look at the Walkman market for example. Now under control by Apple and Sony has no Chance anymore to defend their position. They already Lost.

Same could Happen with the Great GT Franchise. There is a reason for advertisment for Huge Franchise like Halo, CoD or products Coca Cola. They dont do it, because they want to waste money. They do it because the consumer will be reminded about the product and the competition will not gain to much auttention.

Only about 8 products in the World dont Need any advertisment anymore.

Well i would explain this better but my english is Bad.
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My concern exactly.
 
Numbers are being thrown around about sales, so I thought I would post the tracked sales to this week for both franchises

Forza http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Gran+Turismo&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
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Gran Turismo http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Gran+Turismo&publisher=&platform=&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
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^^^^^^^^^^Vgcharts is not a reputable source of information. NPD numbers are the best.

There is no question GT has lost some of its brand cache from the PS2 era. I am not going to give direct comparisons, but I think the lack of customization, user generated content and cohesive community have really hurt GT in this expanding world of social expression. People want to feel like they are part of a community (hello... look at this site). Various other games have really embraced this concept (not all to perfect success mind you).

Probably more than all of that, and really this can be linked to the decline of the Japanese gaming industry, is the inability, or refusal to open a clear path of dialogue with the fans of the game. I am sorry but Kaz on Twitter is not cut it. GT needs a community manager.
 
FoolKiller
If I recall, preorders had already exceeded or come close to Forza 3's total sales. I don't know how much it was necessary to create traditional advertising. And non-broadcast advertising plays a large role, and being judge of and having the best in show award named after the series at SEMA probably gets a lot of eyes on the brand in their target demographic. The same goes for sponsoring vehicles racing at venues all over the globe, as well as a NASCAR tie-in.


Or has a whole lot more to do with the fact that Sony reported a $1 billion loss in their last financial report.


Especially when you consider that the reported profits from Prologue were more than enough to cover the reported development costs of GT5. Sales might have been lower than the other GT titles, but they were as near to 100% profit as a retail item can get.


GT5 might not be as good as the others in the series, might not have been marketed to the mainstream as well as its predecessors or competition, and it might be tied to the lowest selling of the consoles, but to ignore that despite all of that it still sold better than the competition and was bringing in profit from release is not giving it the credit it deserves. From a business and marketing point of view it was a success. But in 20 years the sales compared to other GT games will be noticed more than anything else.

So, what one determines as success here is subjective. It's all in how you measure it.
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Also, the whole gaming industry has been in decline from what I hear: also I think PS2 had around double the user base of the PS3 (correct me if I am wrong) so naturally more consoles would likely mean more game sales and previous GT sales, and considering like you say, GT5 had next to nothing in promotion GT5 has done outstandingly well.

Wow, sell more than 7 million without even a TV advert. I did not even see a billboard.


But saying this, PD can't rely on this strength for ever, with GT5's position being slowly eroded by the competition. I do not want GT5 to become the old Lion no longer able to protect It's pride. GT6 is an opportunity for PD to reassert the Gran Turismo franchise's position as number 1.
 
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DaveTheStalker
I pointed out the ads above. Name one TV show or movie you have seen GT5 being played. You can count on one hand how many TV shows have had a PS3 controller being used. 75% of video game product placement is Xbox.

Man Furismo Jive really highlighted what GT5 is all about. The actual GT5 Butler commercial wasn't exactly awe inspiring. All of the Butler ads are focused his comedy, gameplay was scondery.
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If your criticising Sony for a lack of advertising of GT5 then I have to point out 7+ million copies sold.......on a console with a worldwide install base of somewhere in the region of 60 million colsoles. Maybe you differ but I would call that a hell of a success.
It is if not the best selling title on the PS3 then right up there at the top of the pile.

And your claiming that Sony are doing a bad job?
 
DaveS1138
If your criticising Sony for a lack of advertising of GT5 then I have to point out 7+ million copies sold.......on a console with a worldwide install base of somewhere in the region of 60 million colsoles. Maybe you differ but I would call that a hell of a success.
It is if not the best selling title on the PS3 then right up there at the top of the pile.

And your claiming that Sony are doing a bad job?
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Brand recognition was brought up earlier. How often do you see a silver laptop with a backlit white logo in TV shows and movies? What is that logo?

Major League Gaming uses which console the vast majority of the time? Why do you think that is?

Even though they have sold BILLIONS of their crappy burgers all over the world, why do we see McDonalds commercials nearly every day of our lives? Why not just stop advertising?

Advertising has been the thorn in SONY's side this entire generation of gaming. The reason sales have plummeted since PS2 is because that other console has been rammed down our throats since its release.

I highly doubt we will be seeing a commercial this weekend spotlighting GT5's day night cycle and weather changes at LeMans. If it were my game, I would take advantage of every tie-in I had.
 
About the Le Mans chicane being renamed the Forza Chicane... it is worth noting Forza is the official game of the American Le Mans Series... which features some teams including Audi in the Le Mans 24 Hours...
 

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