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True. But I would be willing to bet if a poll were created, more would rather see a CCX than a Diahastu soap box car.
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True. But I would be willing to bet if a poll were created, more would rather see a CCX than a Diahastu soap box car.
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Haha. You dirty dog! I bet you still cannot wait to get your hands on a Koenigsegg in GT5! I can smell it.
Actually it was meant seriously, i'm generally more interested in both Saab and Volvo ( not all their models, granted ) than in a Koenigsegg.If it was included i would buy one and try it, as i always buy every single car in GT, but it will probably be the last one on my wish list, sorry.
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True. But I would be willing to bet if a poll were created, more would rather see a CCX than a Diahastu soap box car.
That's rather obvious, however I would love to have both in the game as they are both a challenge in their own right to master.
I think that's actually a problem with a lot of games, sure supercars are a blast but a Fiat 500 will be just as much fun.
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True, there's some lower powered cars I'd like to see in GT5. I doubt they'll ever make an appearance, but it would be neat to test them out in the virtual world. (a la Ford Probe)
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Gordon Murray who created the McLaren F1 has several Fiat's 500.
Enzo Ferrari had a Mini Cooper as his personal transport for a very long time.
And Daihatsu actually cooperated with DeTomaso in the eighties to create the Daihatsu Charade...( you guessed it ) DeTomaso.
Would love 10 interesting small or even slow cars for every Koenigsegg.
( And SrRd RacinG, why when you've got one of the most beautiful cars ever as your avatar can you make a case for something like the Ford Probe? )
Enzo Ferrari had a Mini Cooper as his personal transport for a very long time.
And Daihatsu actually cooperated with DeTomaso in the eighties to create the Daihatsu Charade...( you guessed it ) DeTomaso.
Would love 10 interesting small or even slow cars for every Koenigsegg.
( And SrRd RacinG, why when you've got one of the most beautiful cars ever as your avatar can you make a case for something like the Ford Probe? )
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Hey, Hey, the'res a difference between a Japanese K-Soap box and a cute little car with personality. Fiat 500? Citroen 2CV? VW Beetle? Those are classic, and quite interesting cars. They're a laugh to drive! But driving a Suzuki Lapin...sorry, that's just drab and boring. I don't oppose to "slow" cars, I oppose to cars that aren't interesting. Benz Patentwagen? JA BITTE! Ford T? YES PLEASE! Citroen 2CV, OUI S'IL VOU PLAÎT! Honda Beat...erm...いいえ.
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Ok, sorry. I threw in the Beat example because I never bothered with it in GT4 other than looking at it, so if you say it's interesting I'll give it the benefit of the doubt (a.k.a: "I'm an ignorant so I won't talk anymore" benefit). So I'll just replace the Beat in my argument for...the NISSAN PAO 1989!!! (Which was in GT4)
Come on, this can't be interesting. Or fun. Or lively. Or any adjective that refers to any positive quality. Why wasting pixels and disc-space on this garbage can? I'd even take another Capuccino (At least that one is RWD and Turbocharged).
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Ok, sorry. I threw in the Beat example because I never bothered with it in GT4 other than looking at it, so if you say it's interesting I'll give it the benefit of the doubt (a.k.a: "I'm an ignorant so I won't talk anymore" benefit). So I'll just replace the Beat in my argument for...the NISSAN PAO 1989!!!
Come on, this can't be interesting. Or fun. Or lively. Or any adjective that refers to any positive quality.
To drive absolutely no, it is basically a rebodied retro-styled Micra, but at least it's more "interesting" to look at, wait till you see the Nissan S-Gargo or the Figaro.
From what i've read the Pao is their "modern" interpretation of the Renault 4.
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(Something off-topic, I would like to thank PD. I noticed when proof-reading my post that I learnt from the GT series, how to spell 'License' correctly
Remaining briefly off-topic, license as a noun is an Americanism (nothing wrong with that, just hope that factors into your definition of "correct").
In actuality, the noun, as in driver's licence, is spelleded as such. Whilst the verb, to license a landlord for the sale of intoxicating liquors (sic.), however is spelled differently - at least, that's what I done learneded in school
Another example is the R8 V10, marvelously detailed and perfect in every way, and I don't know yet who modelled that masterpiece.
I've discussed outsourcing with someone, some months ago and we've agreed that quality assurance is a very critical issue when it comes to outsourcing. However, the modeller of the CCX render, or the R8 V10 render, has already shown his/her talent, thus PD should consider hiring talented people around the world.
Also, there's a way to use the current renderings in the next games, just updating textures and lighting, so future titles will use the very same (although slightly updated) models to provide a smaller workload. Which in fact means, more cars and keep the old cars in the game. Analyzing the things in this way, you could presume 2000 cars in GT6.
As far as I recall, the CCX was modeled by somebody at a firm specialising in such things (released as publicity / advertising), so the level of talent is likely to be equal to if not superior to that at PD. Similarly, the R8 render is modeled from a conversion of the original CAD drawing - there's buckets of talent in there somewhere, but it's probably attributable to a great many individuals.
If it was included i would buy one and try it, as i always buy every single car in GT, but it will probably be the last one on my wish list, sorry.
Actually, now that I think of it, me too - but I'd probably take a handful of any "mediocre" cars over a single oddity!
I like the Beat!
I hated the prospect of having to race it in one of the prior GTs (maybe GT2 ?) but actually really enjoyed the almost kart-like handling! Had you ever thought that perhaps the same iconicity you talk about with the cinquecento et al. also applies to certain miniature Japanese cars? Just because it doesn't appeal to you, doesn't mean it shouldn't make the cut - somebody out there somewhere must like 'em!Forget making a poll about it, remember that these are heavily biased by way of weeding out all those that can't be arsed to think / vote / read / whatever... look at damage - apparently (according to Kaz) it was a fairly small portion of "fans" that wanted damage - what if the same is true of the CCX? Just because they're most vocal, does not mean they are in the majority.
Anyway, more seriously now. Since PD have this new, confusing way of measuring track count, what of the possibility that the same has extended to the cars?
What I mean is, what if at the new car dealer, you select your car and then are confronted with an options list of engine type / trim level etc. etc. ?
Obviously this may not be comprehensive (at least, it really needn't be) but it could cover both versions of the GTR, for instance - or gearbox options, or interior type / colour etc.
So the 1000 cars does not include variations of the same chassis (e.g. the numerous RWD skylines of old, or the Lancer Evo.s, the two GTRs) etc. but does include larger variations, e.g. between the 4WD and RWD Skylines or the B7 A4 / S4 and the B7 RS4.
PAO = Sexy.
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Whoa!!! That is quite possibly my most driven small, old dink of a car. I saw it racing against me once and immediately went out and bought it. It was awesome.Ok, sorry. I threw in the Beat example because I never bothered with it in GT4 other than looking at it, so if you say it's interesting I'll give it the benefit of the doubt (a.k.a: "I'm an ignorant so I won't talk anymore" benefit). So I'll just replace the Beat in my argument for...the NISSAN PAO 1989!!! (Which was in GT4)
Come on, this can't be interesting. Or fun. Or lively. Or any adjective that refers to any positive quality. Why wasting pixels and disc-space on this garbage can? I'd even take another Capuccino (At least that one is RWD and Turbocharged).
But I think this points out my argument about it being very subjective. Even if you had a majority wanting more super cars over small cars you would still have an argument over which small cars should go.
And again, that is all assuming that car modeling time played any part in cars not making the cut, which there is zero evidence of.
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Griffith500, i hope you're right about the possible interpretation of car types.
It would mean, if indeed correct, more really different cars than ever and possibly hundreds more if all the variations were included.
Purely speculative ofcourse, but it would mean possibly 1200 to 1500 cars by the old counting method if this were to be implied.
It would mean, if indeed correct, more really different cars than ever and possibly hundreds more if all the variations were included.
Purely speculative ofcourse, but it would mean possibly 1200 to 1500 cars by the old counting method if this were to be implied.
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For all the haters of the slow and boring street cars - Your obviously missing the point of GT games....
If you own said car in real life, you'd be singing a different tune. Everyone likes to drive, race and mod their real life car, in the game. That's the whole appeal of GT. That's why it sold bucket loads. It's why the first GT game blew me away back in the day.
Even Kaz said as much, that's why GT5 will have the cars it does.
GT was also the first game that brought in all the Japanese cars out to a mainstream game. A lot of cars we used to idolise back in the day, that we couldn't buy locally here. Yes, like the Skyline GT-R!
And made them popular enough that they are now sold worldwide
If you want a supercar fest, there are plenty of other games for you. Hell you can get free mods in Rfactor just for that purpose....
If you own said car in real life, you'd be singing a different tune. Everyone likes to drive, race and mod their real life car, in the game. That's the whole appeal of GT. That's why it sold bucket loads. It's why the first GT game blew me away back in the day.
Even Kaz said as much, that's why GT5 will have the cars it does.
GT was also the first game that brought in all the Japanese cars out to a mainstream game. A lot of cars we used to idolise back in the day, that we couldn't buy locally here. Yes, like the Skyline GT-R!
And made them popular enough that they are now sold worldwide
If you want a supercar fest, there are plenty of other games for you. Hell you can get free mods in Rfactor just for that purpose....
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I just wish people wouldn't use slow automatically in the same sentence as boring.
Slow cars can be very interesting and fast cars extremely boring.
It's about variety and character and not thinking the be all and end all of what makes a car good is the ability to sprint to 60mph in less than 4 seconds or go faster than 200mph.
Slow cars can be very interesting and fast cars extremely boring.
It's about variety and character and not thinking the be all and end all of what makes a car good is the ability to sprint to 60mph in less than 4 seconds or go faster than 200mph.
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Yes, i forget sometimes it's also largely a generational thing, although they will probably eventually see there are other things to enjoy about cars than performance figures only.
But if you're a petrolhead, even a young one, you will be aware of a lot of different types of cars which all need a different mindset to appreciate, enjoy or admire, or at least i was ( and i really liked my supercars ).
But if you're a petrolhead, even a young one, you will be aware of a lot of different types of cars which all need a different mindset to appreciate, enjoy or admire, or at least i was ( and i really liked my supercars ).
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I will mention that I drove the PAO and loved it. Even if it is boring in stock form (which for the record, it's not. Racing against similar cars is quite intense), you can tune it and make it a quick enough machine to compete with at least sports cars.
As another example, I had a Honda City II in one save, and with some modifications, and not even that many, it was great fun in some of the easy special conditions races, particularly at Swiss Alps.
If you have it in your head that those cars can't be fun, you've never tried. Fortunately, I highly doubt PD is getting rid of them, so you can give them another chance in GT5.
As another example, I had a Honda City II in one save, and with some modifications, and not even that many, it was great fun in some of the easy special conditions races, particularly at Swiss Alps.
If you have it in your head that those cars can't be fun, you've never tried. Fortunately, I highly doubt PD is getting rid of them, so you can give them another chance in GT5.
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I'm running a GT4 TT event for the NA PSN forums. We're progressing through the cars in GT4 by moving up one year, every week. With a 750, 500 and 250 hp cap classes, we've found the need to have a 100hp cap class. We run them with S3 tires and aero. Blasting around nearly flat out everywhere is actually quite fun, and you can take a lot of lessons away, from racing lines to setups.
Now, I hate to bring up Forza, but if you look at their car list, there's a lot of overlap in the highend cars with Gran Turismo. With 30,000 car models in all of history, the majority of them will be slower, average looking cars. Of course video games will seek out those highend cars first, but once you've got most of them, as PD does, where else is there left to go?
Now, I hate to bring up Forza, but if you look at their car list, there's a lot of overlap in the highend cars with Gran Turismo. With 30,000 car models in all of history, the majority of them will be slower, average looking cars. Of course video games will seek out those highend cars first, but once you've got most of them, as PD does, where else is there left to go?
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In Croatian, PAO means "fell", or "fallen over" approximately. hihihi
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An user on NeoGAF uploaded a capture that seems show that all demos shown until now are selectable from a switch menu in the demo code.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384853&page=36
Do you know that?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384853&page=36
Do you know that?
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