GT5 Latest News & Discussion

[eSZee]

Yep, all very sentimental and poetic. On the flipside, it is absolutely rude and ignorant to ignore your potential customers. If GT5 was purely a Japanese game for the Japanese market, fair enough, but it's not. It's a game they are making for the global market, and a large chunk of their profits comes from sales in other countries. As such, they have a level of duty to at least be honest with their customer base and keep them informed.

The Japanese have embraced change and technology well enough, so it's not like their 1700-year old civilization is not afraid to go with the times. Besides, asking for more information on GT5 is hardly like asking them to entirely change their culture, is it?

No and no. They can do whatever they want, however they want it in order to sell games. This way has always worked for them and I don't see them changing anything based on your very strong opinion and demanding attitude.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

No and no. They can do whatever they want, however they want it in order to sell games. This way has always worked for them and I don't see them changing anything based on your very strong opinion and demanding attitude.

Very true.

Very strong opinions and demanding attitude are what make us westerners great don't you know. So great that we now require everything to be designed, tested and manufactured by someone else. We're sooo clever that some people thought it would be good to pay 10 times our salary for a flat, after we had already seen what happened when Japan had made the mistake previously.

PD are making a product that we want, at a price we're willing to pay, in the best way they know possible. All this pressure from idiots in the western world is why we end up with something like GTPSP.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Has anyone seen the the Test Drive Unlimited 2 trailer?
Their car list features Koenigsegg and Gumpert.

I hope Kaz won't disappoint up with at least these two manufactures.

Now you're speaking my language!

But I think Maserati would come before Gumpert because it has a few more cars to offer. But if it has already been added, then I'd welcome Gumpert with the widest arms ever.

 

[deep_sky]

There is a difference between Sony and PD regarding Japanese cultural approach I think.

Exactly. Sony were anything but a "traditional" Japanese company at the launch of the PS3, proclaiming that people should get two jobs, deriding the 360, mocking the Wii, claiming the generation doesn't start until they say so, and so on.

It's PD that have maintained the Japanese culture of conducting business; Sony lost their dignity years ago, and are only just now beginning to claw it back.

 

[FoolKiller]

I still can´t imagine an 2010 rls

There are too less informations, I can´t imagine that they make an E3 blowout and give us an winter release date, that sounds too fast... and to good to believe...

But that is exactly how Forza 3 did it. Actually, Forza 3 was officially announced at E3.

 

[analog]

Now you're speaking my language!

But I think Maserati would come before Gumpert because it has a few more cars to offer. But if it has already been added, then I'd welcome Gumpert with the widest arms ever.

Maserati, Bentley, Morgan and Rolls-Royce are much higher on my wishlist than Gumpert or Koenigsegg ( which are not even on it ) but I welcome any new brand to the franchise with the widest arms, even the less obvious ones and even the ones I do not personally like that much.
Would like to see more brands which do not exist anymore like in GT4 ( Autobianchi, Cizeta, Alpine, Jensen, Triumph, Pontiac, etc.) especially some Italian brands like DeTomaso, Iso or the Swiss brand Monteverdi.
Or Facel-Vega ( French ) or carbrands even longer dead from the twenties or thirties.

( Not sure if this is correct, but obtaining licences for defunct brands might be easier or at least cheaper to aquire than for living brands. )

 

[TokyoDrift]

No and no. They can do whatever they want, however they want it in order to sell games. This way has always worked for them and I don't see them changing anything based on your very strong opinion and demanding attitude.

They can indeed do whatever they want, as can any business. Those who are more successful tend to look after their customers.

Funny how it just gets singled down to my strong and demanding attitude Like nobody else is fed up of the lack of news...

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

They can indeed do whatever they want, as can any business. Those who are more successful tend to look after their customers.

Funny how it just gets singled down to my strong and demanding attitude Like nobody else is fed up of the lack of news...

Again, not true, please name one highly successful western world company that has a good track record for looking after its customers. Now look at a few of the biggest Japanese companies and see how they do it.

Being fed up is not justification for an attitude either.

 

[eSZee]

They can indeed do whatever they want, as can any business. Those who are more successful tend to look after their customers.

Funny how it just gets singled down to my strong and demanding attitude Like nobody else is fed up of the lack of news...

Everyone is, but you seem to be bothered the most. You've been on a mean streak for the past week.

 

[Jay Gatsby]

Very true.

Very strong opinions and demanding attitude are what make us westerners great don't you know. So great that we now require everything to be designed, tested and manufactured by someone else. We're sooo clever that some people thought it would be good to pay 10 times our salary for a flat, after we had already seen what happened when Japan had made the mistake previously.

PD are making a product that we want, at a price we're willing to pay, in the best way they know possible. All this pressure from idiots in the western world is why we end up with something like GTPSP.

and the damage system 💡

I bought my PS3 last May (2009), and I since then I started going to websites and checked out news about games...at first everything seemed so ridculous...console war, fanboyism and all that crap. From time to time I come to gtplanet and check out the news and what people has to say about GT, 80% of stuff I could see was bashing PD for not having EVERYTHING in the game or not revealing much about the game...all my "real life" GT friends have no issues about those issue (the are not very "westernised") because this is how Japanese developers have always been...kinda like a katana-swordsmith you know? They do what they think is the best, it is their art. And they won't talk. I think it's kinda okay for them to keep stuff secretly.

I guess Kaz has never wanted to talk much about features in GT5 in the interview, you can tell from the way he answered his question..."soon", "location" and all that...

 

[FishforRent]

From what I see here, western-style attitude that Western developers have regarding games have pretty much "westernized" everybody.

All of you should understand that Japanese people are DIFFERENT than Western. Hence, their whole life philosophy is DIFFERENT.

You are expecting that Japanese developer obey the western rules of LOUD, BIGGER and COMMERCIAL. However, they are DIFFERENT - they are humble, silent and introverted.

As much as I respect your sermon, Please do not forget that the 'West' pays the bills. Of that fact, Sony has not overlooked, EVER.

Again, not true, please name one highly successful western world company that has a good track record for looking after its customers. Now look at a few of the biggest Japanese companies and see how they do it.

Being fed up is not justification for an attitude either.

Ford Motor Corporation, Believe it or not.

 

[FishforRent]

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[irnbrutwinturbo]

Ford Motor Corporation, Believe it or not.

Not. http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/cars/ford-customer-service/

Then what about that whole intermittent windshield wiper thing? That didn't happen?
What about the exploding Pintos?

Ford used to look after it's customers many many years ago, as the western world did, it did too. I wouldn't even step into my local Ford garage.

 

[Skidmark]

If it carries on like this I think the Berlin Wall should be re erected.

 

[Coiler]

If it carries on like this I think the Berlin Wall should be re erected.

Bad joke friend

 

[AgentK]

Maserati, Bentley, Morgan and Rolls-Royce are much higher on my wishlist than Gumpert or Koenigsegg ( which are not even on it ) but I welcome any new brand to the franchise with the widest arms, even the less obvious ones and even the ones I do not personally like that much.
Would like to see more brands which do not exist anymore like in GT4 ( Autobianchi, Cizeta, Alpine, Jensen, Triumph, Pontiac, etc.) especially some Italian brands like DeTomaso, Iso or the Swiss brand Monteverdi.
Or Facel-Vega ( French ) or carbrands even longer dead from the twenties or thirties.

( Not sure if this is correct, but obtaining licences for defunct brands might be easier or at least cheaper to aquire than for living brands. )

Isn't it more satisfying to drive a supercar instead of a luxury car? Maserati is a brand I'd like to have mainly because of the MC12. Not to forget Pagani.
I would take one of these over 5 Bentleys, Royces and Morgans to be honest.

 

[FishforRent]

Not. http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/cars/ford-customer-service/

Then what about that whole intermittent windshield wiper thing? That didn't happen?
What about the exploding Pintos?

Ford used to look after it's customers many many years ago, as the western world did, it did too. I wouldn't even step into my local Ford garage.

Was going to respond but it was soooo off topic I stopped.......

Ah well here it is anyway:

Ford Corporation does not own or manage it's dealers. I'm not a Ford honk by any stretch of the imagination, however the fact is that FMC is the most successful auto maker in history. (from my backside )

"..time and unforeseen occurance befall us all..." (I'll let you find that source)

Every manufacturer has problems at some point, its the manner in which they remedy them that is telling.

Question? Will Toyota ever explain why their cars commence drag racing on their own?

[For the record: Cars owned: 1 chevy, 2 ford, 2 jeep, 2 lexus, 1 infiniti, 1 suzuki, 2 mitsu; currently shopping a tundra or rx8 (need to get my wife on board with the rx, but I'm working on her).]

I do think that Japanese autos are more reliable, as a whole.

Back on topic: If the west wasn't leading the parade, we would all still be into disco and mailing our posts. 👍

 

[Lucas]

Yep, all very sentimental and poetic. On the flipside, it is absolutely rude and ignorant to ignore your potential customers.

Rude? How, exactly?

If GT5 was purely a Japanese game for the Japanese market, fair enough, but it's not. It's a game they are making for the global market, and a large chunk of their profits comes from sales in other countries. As such, they have a level of duty to at least be honest with their customer base and keep them informed.

They don't have a level of duty. Just because people are tired of waiting doesn't mean PD has to move its ass to make them happy.

Besides, asking for more information on GT5 is hardly like asking them to entirely change their culture, is it?

They don't ask you to buy their game. So they can do as they please with their information.

 

[analog]

Isn't it more satisfying to drive a supercar instead of a luxury car? Maserati is a brand I'd like to have mainly because of the MC12. Not to forget Pagani.
I would take one of these over 5 Bentleys, Royces and Morgans to be honest.

We all have different taste and preferences and do not forget GT already covered luxury brands and luxury cars as well as many other genres not typically covered by racing-games and this is why, amongst many other things, I love GT.
The Maserati MC12 is frankly the Maserati i look forward to the least of all Maseratis possible to be included as it is basically just a rebodied Enzo.
And although everybody is entitled to wanting or not wanting different cars, the variety is what makes it so rewarding in the long term, even including luxury cars.
If it was just supercars like every other racing-game, which I also like, it would make the game rather one-dimensional to my eyes at least.
I look forward to driving all types of cars, some luxury cars offer as much a rewarding or satisfying experience as some supercars do to me, although they require a different mindset to appreciate, and Morgan is not a luxury brand by the way but a proper drivers car.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

Maserati, Bentley, Morgan and Rolls-Royce are much higher on my wishlist than Gumpert or Koenigsegg ( which are not even on it )

I have to disagree with the Koenigsegg comment. It HAS to be in GT5. Why?:


-Check out GT4. Go to Sweden on the world map. You will only find the manufacturer: Volvo. Click on Volvo and what do you find: A Volvo S60 T 5 Sport '03.

That it is. Nothing more.

Now imagine GT5. Click on Sweden. What do you find? Koenigsegg. Enter the dealership and enjoy a CCX, CCXGT, CCXR, etc. And it cannot be too hard to acquire the license as nearly every recent racing game has a CCX IN IT.

In conclusion, it's about representing countries/regions properly. And Sweden should be known as CCX country. And only now finally can we say Italy is being represented fairly with Lamborghini and Ferrari.

 

[analog]

How about Saab? Much more interesting to me than Koenigsegg ( I am serious).

 

[SrRd RacinG]

How about Saab? Much more interesting to me than Koenigsegg ( I am serious).

In conclusion, it's about representing countries/regions properly.

Saab should be in because of the aforementioned notion of properly representing a region.

I'm not talking about who is more influential or better. Rather, the mere idea of appropriately adding cars to the game based on a worldly point of view. And Koenigsegg would be in this worldly view for reasons beyond its incredible speed.

Again, take one look at Sweden in GT4 and it will induce sickness. One manufacturer and only one car.

Unsatisfactory (but that leaves room for progress as a series).

 

[Seismica]

Every manufacturer has problems at some point, its the manner in which they remedy them that is telling.

Question? Will Toyota ever explain why their cars commence drag racing on their own?

You mean how Toyota recalled every vehicle affected once the problem had arisen? Yeah, because they handled that pretty badly. Free repairs for all and a world public apology.

They shot themselves in the foot with this, a bit of simple quality control would have solved the problem before it began.

You would rather they remedied it in a different way?

Or like how Ford Focuses had electrical and Dashboard failures in the UK (Those affected were something like 5% of sales of the car, which is a pretty large proportion) and Ford proceeded to deny all responsibility, that was excellent customer service right there.

 

[bullie77]

How about Saab? Much more interesting to me than Koenigsegg ( I am serious).

Historically relevance? Without a doubt.

 

[Seismica]

In conclusion, it's about representing countries/regions properly.

Saab should be in because of the aforementioned notion of properly representing a region.

I'm not talking about who is more influential or better. Rather, the mere idea of appropriately adding cars to the game based on a worldly point of view. And Koenigsegg would be in this worldly view for reasons beyond its incredible speed.

Again, take one look at Sweden in GT4 and it will induce sickness. One manufacturer and only one car.

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We shouldn't be choosing between Saab, Koenigsegg etc. We should be getting 2-3 cars from every manufacturer [I]at least[/I]. (Unless of course they are either a) A company with a lineup of only 1 car like Gumpert or b) A lineup that spans a great deal of time and has a lot of history, in which case we should get representation from their entire history.

I'm also intrigued how easily PD can dodge questions about new manufacturers by mentioning Porsche. We all know the deal with Porsche, they're not going to be in the game because they could not obtain the license. But every journalist who asks about manufacturers gets an answer in relation to Porsche; "Porsche is definitely top of my list" in KY's own words. It's very clever they've been able to pull that off, and very stupid that some journalists haven't followed it up with 'except Porsche'.

 

[SrRd RacinG]

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We shouldn't be choosing between Saab, Koenigsegg etc. We should be getting 2-3 cars from every manufacturer at least. (Unless of course they are either a) A company with a lineup of only 1 car like Gumpert or b) A lineup that spans a great deal of time and has a lot of history, in which case we should get representation from their entire history.

You said it!

Not every gamer will agree on what their favorite Swedish manufacturer is. It may be Volvo, Saab or Koenigsegg. But that's irrelevant.

It's about representing the nation properly. And when I pop in GT5, I do hope it's better represented. And I can only imagine the pride a Swede will feel when he sees more cars and manufacturers under the Swedish dealership on the glorious world map. It will be amazing. And even for me.

An American.

 

[analog]

SrRd Racing, to be clear, I have absolutely no objection to Koenigsegg or any brand for that matter to be included, the more the better.
I just cannot get excited about Koenigsegg personally and therefor it ranks quite low on my list of brands I would like to see.
I do however see your point about some countries being poorly represented according to their worldwide relevance, that is why I suggested Saab for the Swedish branch of the World-map.
But I do not think that GT5, although probably the most internationally focussed GT-game yet, will be treating every brand/nation fully equal to their relevance, otherwise it would probably be awash with crappy Chinese cars, which are becoming ever more important globally although not very exciting yet.

( Although again this is also a personal opinion and again would not mind Chinese cars to be included. )

 

[SrRd RacinG]

SrRd Racing, to be clear, I have absolutely no objection to Koenigsegg or any brand for that matter to be included, the more the better.
I just cannot get excited about Koenigsegg personally and therefor it ranks quite low on my list of brands I would like to see.
I do however see your point about some countries being poorly represented according to their worldwide relevance, that is why I suggested Saab for the Swedish branch of the World-map.
But I do not think that GT5, although probably the most internationally focussed GT-game yet, will be treating every brand/nation fully equal to their relevance, otherwise it would probably be awash with crappy Chinese cars, which are becoming ever more important globally although not very exciting yet.

I understand. I'm here to stimulate conversation, and it worked!

Yes, it's a shame some countries have gotten the short end of the stick. Italy too, for quite a while, had been largely ignored in GT titles. But with the Lamborghini, Ferrari and quite possibly Maserati, Italians will have much to smile about in GT5.

The same may be said for Australia. I am pulling for them, too.

 

[Famine]

Again, take one look at Sweden in GT4 and it will induce sickness. One manufacturer and only one car.

I always thought that the number above one was two...

 

[analog]

I understand. I'm here to stimulate conversation, and it worked!

Yes, it's a shame some countries have gotten the short end of the stick. Italy too, for quite a while, had been largely ignored in GT titles. But with the Lamborghini, Ferrari and quite possibly Maserati, Italians will have much to smile about in GT5.

The same may be said for Australia. I am pulling for them, too.

Well, I could say hoping for more Dutch brands as well, but we do not really have a proper car industry apart from Spyker ( already included, at least in GT4 ) and Donkervoort, although I would like to see an old Daf appear.