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Rage0329
Someone needs to explain the love of Porsches to me. I just don't get it. I've never understood it.

I could tell you why I love the Dodge Viper though :P
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If it's a sound competition, I would be 100% with you.. but Gran Turismo is about driving, and Porsche represent some of the best driving machines known to man.. Not to mention racing heritage..

For these points alone, they deserve to be loved, and desired in GT5.

It's a sad & gaping hole in GT5's encyclopedia of automobiles!!!
 
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Rage0329
Someone needs to explain the love of Porsches to me. I just don't get it. I've never understood it.

I could tell you why I love the Dodge Viper though :P
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Why should people need to explain their love for Porshce when you didn't bother to explain to us why you don't like them? Or indeed why you, for some reason, love the Dodge Viper...

Personally, I don't care much for Porsche either - most of them I simply don't like the body shape/design. A few are nice looking though, and there is no denying their racing heritage.
 
Rage0329
Someone needs to explain the love of Porsches to me. I just don't get it. I've never understood it.

I could tell you why I love the Dodge Viper though :P
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I could say that someone need to explain to me how on earth someone's who's in to cars and motorsports DON'T understand the eager for having such manufacturer in the game!

Not approaching the personal opinions about the cars looks or how do they handle, their historical significance alone, speacially their sports achievement, should granted them the status of indispensable!

Unfortunately, commercial rights do speak higher.
 
I'm sure if Porsche really wanted to be in the GT series they'd have done something about it a while ago to circumvent whatever agreements they have. Certainly the large audience of the GT series far outweighs that of Forza and NFS combined. (edit ok maybe not NFS given the crazy amount of sales they've made over the years).

I can respect Porsche's achievements no doubt. However as a car they just don't appeal to me. Although I will admit my friends and I would have a great deal of fun racing the Nissan GT-R against the 911 GT2 around Nurburgring.


The Viper is nearly completely something else in the automotive world. Thought up by Lutz and a team of engineers to build a car of yester-tech as they labelled it. A no holds barred machine with literally just an engine, 4 wheels and a steering wheel. The original cars didn't have side windows, a roof, air conditioning or any real creature comforts. It was a Chrysler and Lamborghini joint project to convert a V10 truck engine into an all aluminium engine for a car. These things were literally dinosaurs upon production, without ABS the car would pull to the front right or left? I forget, simply because there was more weight on one side. If you wanted to get to the battery you had to take out the back left wheel. All things aside though, the '92 Viper could hit 60mph in 4.8s, that's only 0.1s less than the Lamborghini Diablo and Ferrari 512TR. After 60mph the Viper could actually hit 100mph before either of those 2 as well.

After 16 years, the Viper went from a mish mash of parts to the fastest production car around Nurburgring in August '08. I'm skipping over all the racing wins, Le Mans etc. Not bad for an American car with the stigma of being unable to make it around corners right? Interesting nonetheless that the Viper has been in every GT game so far.
 
It's not about Porsche wanting to be in game or not, although I'm sure I've read on record that they would love to be in the game. However, EA holds the current licence, and it is up to them if they sub-licence like they have to Microsoft. Use of their brand in Gran Turismo therefore, has always been a legal battle. For whatever reason, EA won't or can't sub-licence to SONY, or they can but SONY are refusing to pay up.

Viper has always been in the game because there were no such licencing restrictions in place, and as for its heritage, that's great. Clearly you like raw muscle, whereas I prefer something a bit more refined, like the Audi R8 for example.

@Racer Dee, in the world of GTPlanet, that video is old!
 
yogaflame
6 years and still no Porsche is BS
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15+ years and no Porsche is BS, actually. 6 years is nothing.

GT1 took 5 years to make and it was released in 1997 I think.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that KY approached Porsche in the early-mid 90s to get their cars in the game.

Evidently, they weren't interested. And then a few years afterwards they made a deal with EA... Which as far as we know has been the situation since. With Sony and EA unable to make a deal, we have no Porsche in GT5. It's as simple as that. It's not like they haven't been trying.
 
Rage0329
I'm sure if Porsche really wanted to be in the GT series they'd have done something about it a while ago to circumvent whatever agreements they have. Certainly the large audience of the GT series far outweighs that of Forza and NFS combined. (edit ok maybe not NFS given the crazy amount of sales they've made over the years).

I can respect Porsche's achievements no doubt. However as a car they just don't appeal to me. Although I will admit my friends and I would have a great deal of fun racing the Nissan GT-R against the 911 GT2 around Nurburgring.


The Viper is nearly completely something else in the automotive world. Thought up by Lutz and a team of engineers to build a car of yester-tech as they labelled it. A no holds barred machine with literally just an engine, 4 wheels and a steering wheel. The original cars didn't have side windows, a roof, air conditioning or any real creature comforts. It was a Chrysler and Lamborghini joint project to convert a V10 truck engine into an all aluminium engine for a car. These things were literally dinosaurs upon production, without ABS the car would pull to the front right or left? I forget, simply because there was more weight on one side. If you wanted to get to the battery you had to take out the back left wheel. All things aside though, the '92 Viper could hit 60mph in 4.8s, that's only 0.1s less than the Lamborghini Diablo and Ferrari 512TR. After 60mph the Viper could actually hit 100mph before either of those 2 as well.

After 16 years, the Viper went from a mish mash of parts to the fastest production car around Nurburgring in August '08. I'm skipping over all the racing wins, Le Mans etc. Not bad for an American car with the stigma of being unable to make it around corners right? Interesting nonetheless that the Viper has been in every GT game so far.
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The problem isn't if Porsche wants or not to be in GT. Is how much does PD wants it and its willing to get it before Porsche's exclusivity deal with MS expires.

As for the Viper is in and I'm glad he is. This isn't a choice of either being one or the other. Now what one must reckon is that Porsche's history and legacy is unmatched by the one of Viper.

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These, amongst others, were mythical machines which absence from the GT series makes the series as a whole and as an encyclopedia of motor history, poorer.
 
Racing Heritage and nothing less than 80000 911 Turbos built along the history of Porsche. Do you guys know any other top end high performance car company which produced so many models of it's top tier performance vehicle? I don't. ;)

Porsche über alles.
 
Dan_
Racing Heritage and nothing less than 80000 911 Turbos built along the history of Porsche. Do you guys know any other top end high performance car company which produced so many models of it's top tier performance vehicle? I don't. ;)

Porsche über alles.
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(I don't mind even there are 10000000 of them, because i don't like it.)

McLaren F1 - there 104 of them.Do you know any other high performance car with such history and records, such rare and exeptional but very natural at the same time.Next...
Ferrari - Do you know any other high performance cars with such beauty and unique red color, beautiful sound, such F1 history.Next...
Lamborghini...
And so on we can go on any great car company.

What i mean by that is - THEY ALL GREAT AND DIFFERENT.NO BEST CLEARLY.
 
alucard0712
(I don't mind even there are 10000000 of them, because i don't like it.)

McLaren F1 - there 104 of them.Do you know any other high performance car with such history and records, such rare and exeptional but very natural at the same time.Next...
Ferrari - Do you know any other high performance cars with such beauty and unique red color, beautiful sound, such F1 history.Next...
Lamborghini...


What i mean by that is - THEY ALL GREAT AND DIFFERENT.NO BEST CLEARLY.
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I beg your pardon but, when exactly I've said 'Porsches are Better'?

You completely missed my point, I never said they're better, my post was trying to show how porsches are remarkable and a undeniable part of automotive history, if you don't like them it's none of my problems, neither something of my concern.

alucard0712
And so on we can go on any great car company.
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What do you mean by great car company? Porsche isn't a great car company? Again, you're stating what is great and what isn't, so you're the one comparing Porsches and other manufacturers and saying which one is better.

Gladly, this is just your biased and personal opinion, and thank God Porsches are there to add to the plethora of models and styles in our rich automotive history. If you don't like them, good, my post wasn't directed at you.
 
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Ok the history is all well and good. What I was asking wasn't like an attack or anything, I just wanted someone to explain their passion for a Porsche.

Is it the curves? the headlights? the flat-6 with the turbos? The way it looks? The first time you saw one? Or heard one?

That kind thing. :)



I won't forget the first time I heard the 8.0L V10 when I was on holiday with my family in LA.
 
I understand you!
Porsche is great car company no doubt, but when you said: "do you know any other car company which..." - it's can be said about (not so) many other companies.all have their own history and path.their own achievements.Porsche is "just" one of them.One of the best.
Ok!little pointless.
Sadly Porsche is not in GT5.Really missing.
 
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Rage0329
Ok the history is all well and good. What I was asking wasn't like an attack or anything, I just wanted someone to explain their passion for a Porsche.

Is it the curves? the headlights? the flat-6 with the turbos? The way it looks? The first time you saw one? Or heard one?

That kind thing. :)
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Well, the history is obviously part of the appeal for me just like it is for Ferrari, Maserati or any car company which has been around for a long time.
The Ruf line-up is probably sufficient enough for most with only a slight interest in Porsche to somewhat fill the gap from the late seventies Porsche roadcars onwards to their current line-up.
Their back-catalogue is impressive and contains many of the greatest racing cars and road cars IMO and their exclusion from GT5 is therefore sorely missed by those with an appreciation for Porsches other than just the 911.

I could name many Porsches other than 911 and explain their appeal to me but since that list is enormous I will try to explain the appeal of the 911 for me as it is probably the quintessential Porsche for many.
I like the fact it can trace its history and basic concept back to the 356 ( which in effect can be linked to the Beetle which was also designed by Porsche ) and they've persevered and continually developed what was basically a flawed concept from the start ( rear-engined sportscar ) and actually mostly succeeded and thereby creating a truly unique car compared to all other sportscars.

The fact that the Porsche 911 is basically a contradiction between a flawed concept and a company always aiming for perfection is what appeals to me and its developed character ( although overly familiar ) will probably never be replicated again as in today's world it would make no sense to start with this basic idea.
The shape combined with a rear-mounted air-cooled flat-6 ( which sounds great, especially without turbo's ) and its ability to be an everyday car for decades makes it the perfect antidote to Italian supercars ( which I also really love for being everything Porsche isn't ).
Basically you get it or you don't, as with a lot of things and a lot of cars.:)
 
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Too many people have jumped on the Jeremy Clarkson bandwagon of not liking 911s...

I was once unsure about what all the fuss is about with Porsches. But then I did a little research.

For a game like GT where motorsport is central (Even if the majority of the races only involve road legal vehicles) Porsche is a must. They are one of the most successful competitors in history in a variety of motorsports. They are top of KY's wishlist to add to the GT franchise and rightly so, they damn well should be there by now.

Just because we have so many other great manufacturers in the game does not mean we can be satisfied with the absence of Porsche. It doesn't matter whether Porsche is better or worse, that is dependant on our own perception of them. What matters is we want Porsche in (You would be some sort of idiot to not want them in) and we don't have it.
 
seismica
too many people have jumped on the jeremy clarkson bandwagon of not liking 911s...

I was once unsure about what all the fuss is about with porsches. But then i did a little research.

For a game like gt where motorsport is central (even if the majority of the races only involve road legal vehicles) porsche is a must. They are one of the most successful competitors in history in a variety of motorsports. They are top of ky's wishlist to add to the gt franchise and rightly so, they damn well should be there by now.

Just because we have so many other great manufacturers in the game does not mean we can be satisfied with the absence of porsche. It doesn't matter whether porsche is better or worse, that is dependant on our own perception of them. What matters is we want porsche in (you would be some sort of idiot to not want them in) and we don't have it.
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It should be like with nissan: GT2, GT3, Turbo, 4S, GT2RS, GT3RS, GT3 Cup and,and,and ;) All should be there ... But we all know like this looks right now :/
 
analog
I could name many Porsches other than 911 and explain their appeal to me but since that list is enormous I will try to explain the appeal of the 911 for me as it is probably the quintessential Porsche for many.
I like the fact it can trace its history and basic concept back to the 356 ( which in effect can be linked to the Beetle which was also designed by Porsche ) and they've persevered and continually developed what was basically a flawed concept from the start ( rear-engined sportscar ) and actually mostly succeeded and thereby creating a truly unique car compared to all other sportscars.

The fact that the Porsche 911 is basically a contradiction between a flawed concept and a company always aiming for perfection is what appeals to me and its developed character ( although overly familiar ) will probably never be replicated again as in today's world it would make no sense to start with this basic idea.
The shape combined with a rear-mounted air-cooled flat-6 ( which sounds great, especially without turbo's ) and its ability to be an everyday car for decades makes it the perfect antidote to Italian supercars ( which I also really love for being everything Porsche isn't ).
Basically you get it or you don't, as with a lot of things and a lot of cars.:)
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Awesome, that's exactly what I wanted. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Makes perfect sense, loving it from development to production, that whole quandary of being a rear engined sports car. I have to say generally I've never liked the shape of 911s, the 928 was cool, but in Forza, at some angles my 911 GT3RS in a repainted lime green, it looks cool.
 
Seismica
Too many people have jumped on the Jeremy Clarkson bandwagon of not liking 911s...

I was once unsure about what all the fuss is about with Porsches. But then I did a little research.

For a game like GT where motorsport is central (Even if the majority of the races only involve road legal vehicles) Porsche is a must. They are one of the most successful competitors in history in a variety of motorsports. They are top of KY's wishlist to add to the GT franchise and rightly so, they damn well should be there by now.

Just because we have so many other great manufacturers in the game does not mean we can be satisfied with the absence of Porsche. It doesn't matter whether Porsche is better or worse, that is dependant on our own perception of them. What matters is we want Porsche in (You would be some sort of idiot to not want them in) and we don't have it.
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I wouldn't go as far as calling people idiots just because they may not want, or be bothered, about Porsche being in!

I doubt that many of us here will particularly like ALL of the cars and manufacturers in the game. But, they collectively add to what the game is all about, and for that reason I'm more than happy to see Porsche (or any other manufacturer not yet licenced) included in the game. Like I said, I think the shape of most models leaves a lot to be desired, but that's just my opinion. However, I fully respect why people want the brand in, and if I cared enough, I'd be writing to SONY and EA on a regular basis! ;)
 
TokyoDrift
I wouldn't go as far as calling people idiots just because they may not want, or be bothered, about Porsche being in!
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The angle I was taking was the fact there is no reason why someone shouldn't want Porsche in the game. I guess my wording didn't really show the point I was trying to put across :)

And we have tried the write to EA and Porsche approach.

Porsche kept giving standard answers. EA kept re-directing to other departments, to Porsche themselves, or simply not answering at all.
 
Rage0329
Awesome, that's exactly what I wanted. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Makes perfect sense, loving it from development to production, that whole quandary of being a rear engined sports car. I have to say generally I've never liked the shape of 911s, the 928 was cool, but in Forza, at some angles my 911 GT3RS in a repainted lime green, it looks cool.
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Glad to be of service, although I have to point out it just one way of looking at it, many others may have totally different reasons why they like Porsche.
And besides it is hard to pinpoint exactly why you like a certain car like the 911, it is the combination of all aspects which makes it more than the sum of its parts.
I wouldn't say the 911 is the prettiest car ever build ( although I like the shape, but that's just personal taste ) but combined with all previously mentioned aspects it is a car like no other whatever you may think of it.:)
 
Seismica
The angle I was taking was the fact there is no reason why someone shouldn't want Porsche in the game. I guess my wording didn't really show the point I was trying to put across :)

And we have tried the write to EA and Porsche approach.

Porsche kept giving standard answers. EA kept re-directing to other departments, to Porsche themselves, or simply not answering at all.
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I totally get your point, and both agee and disagree. In thinking of the greater good, there is no reason why someone shouldn't want Porsche in the game, but at the same time, from a selfish point of view, if they don't like Porsche at all, why should they?! At the end of the day, it's only their opinion anyway, and they are not producing the game - Kaz is, and he wants Porsche in.

All you can do is express you desires to PD, SONY, EA and Porsche. It's all down to licencing, and sooner or later that will change for the better I'm sure.
 
Seismica
Too many people have jumped on the Jeremy Clarkson bandwagon of not liking 911s...
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I agree, but they are so many cool cars that Clarkson did not like...

He always compares Porsche to beetles but on the end he recognizes they are great supercars.

Porsches of today are extraordinary machines, great racing and road cars, top engineering, remaining with is principles like Clarkson say: "engine in the trunk".
 
analog
I wouldn't say the 911 is the prettiest car ever build ( although I like the shape, but that's just personal taste ) but combined with all previously mentioned aspects it is a car like no other whatever you may think of it.:)
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I'll second that, however, I dare to say the 911 is one of the most impressive to look cars IRL, you can say that the 911 isn't the most beautiful supercars in the world, however if you see one at the road you can't take your eyes out of it. They just have such an enigmatic styling. I like them.
 
TokyoDrift
I totally get your point, and both agee and disagree. In thinking of the greater good, there is no reason why someone shouldn't want Porsche in the game, but at the same time, from a selfish point of view, if they don't like Porsche at all, why should they?! At the end of the day, it's only their opinion anyway, and they are not producing the game - Kaz is, and he wants Porsche in.
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Agree with this to a certain degree although I like Porsche, the same argument could be applied to any brand.
For instance Koenigsegg is a brand much loved on this forum apparantly although I don't share that feeling as its appeal is largely lost on me.
Would I therefore want Koenigsegg to be excluded? Hell no, the more brands the better and I wouldn't argue they were irrelevant just because I can't see their appeal.
And I'm definitely buying one if they are included, but then I want to try everything in GT5.:)

Oh and Dan_, I also really like the shape of the 911 but probably because it is so familiar over all those years it is taken for granted more or less by me unlike say a Dino 246 GT which remains special whenever I see one, you almost see a 911 every day ( they were even used for many years by the Dutch traffic police in full police colours and flashing lights.........).
 
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