GT5 Sound Thread

[Griffith500]

The LFA is a bad choice, one of the F1 cars would be much closer.

 

[zedextreme8177]

Well with the HSV, I've pretty much given up any hope of PD actually improving the sounds.

How hard would it have been to just use an existing sample for the high-pitched exhaust note?

I now really feel that PD's sound department is either deaf or doesn't care about what they produce. Such a shame especially for a game where so much attention is paid to details.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Perhaps they cocked up and assigned the wrong sounds to the car?

 

[shirakawaa]

...for a game where so much attention is paid to details.

Fetishistic approach in 3D-modeling cars aside, is that really so?

 

[zedextreme8177]

^ Now that you've mentioned it, that's true as well. In fact, they seem to care about the details which seem to be of least importance to us, yet many glaring faults keep rearing their ugly head.

 

[Crowood]

Finally home, i did some soundresearch:

The HSV got a slightly modified soundsample from the "old" M3 GTR Race car (before PD killed it)





Here in action in one of my old Vids (not HD)




The ingame M3 GTR Race cars rev limit are about 8.000 rpm. As far as i know, the HSVs limit is 10.000 rpm (not sure about that, could not find any real facts).

So if the GT5 HSV really gets 10k+ rpm, it may not sound that bad at all. Remember that is 2k rpm more then what you hear from my M3 vid and they never go full throttle in the dealership demos.

I know it will not sound like the real life HSV, but maybe it will be "acceptable" ingame.

 

[zedextreme8177]

While the sample is accurate for a flatplane V8, it's the exhaust sound that's a key feature of the HSV (due to the exhaust being single-exit).

To highlight my point, here's a similar engine with dual exhaust outputs (no merging in between the 4 cylinder banks)

And one with the merged single-exit.


In fact, I believe it would sound convincing even if only the exhaust sound was changed.

 

[RACECAR]

The LFA is a bad choice, one of the F1 cars would be much closer.

I'm not so sure those would help either. While PD got somewhat deceit with the onboard (sans the gearwhine), the outside sound is still questionable. I think the LFA sound, with a pitch change two pegs up, would've actually worked. Maybe even the Sports exhaust would've worked too, its close to matching the scream of the real life car

Well with the HSV, I've pretty much given up any hope of PD actually improving the sounds.

You had hope?

 

[Griffith500]

I'm not so sure those would help either. While PD got somewhat deceit with the onboard (sans the gearwhine), the outside sound is still questionable. I think the LFA sound, with a pitch change two pegs up, would've actually worked. Maybe even the Sports exhaust would've worked too, its close to matching the scream of the real life car

...

The F1 sounds are wrong in that the pulse width is much higher, so the exhaust sound is (believe it or not) comparatively soft. The sharper pulses, due to the lower engine speeds, give the HSV (and the late great Georg Plasa's 134) a harder-edged tone. The difference isn't really that apparent, though.

The LFA, on the other hand, has a mixture of dominant (i.e. loudest) 5th order and 10th order harmonics (in a similar way that the F355 has a mixture of 4th and 8th orders, for precisely the same reasons). We need a dominant 8th order only in the HSV's exhaust. Sure, you could shift the pitch of the LFA's exhaust note so that the 10th order becomes 8th order at a given RPM, but you'd still get the 4th order component, which is inaccurate and easily heard.

The real problem, though, is that the first order ("fundamental") component in the LFA's sound will come out as a fractional order (less than 1) when scaled, so that the supposed 4th and 8th (i.e. relative to RPM) are still, effectively, 5th and 10th relative to the fundamental we're actually hearing (which is lower than that which we should be hearing due to the engine speed). In other words, it will still sound like a V10, just one that isn't spinning as fast as the game is telling us it is.

Scaling the other way with the F1 sound just means that the 1st order tone at F1 RPM will become 2nd order on the HSV (so the dominant 4th order exhaust note will be 8th order, just what we want), and our brains will fill in the missing fundamental. Even better, this missing fundamental will actually be present in the "engine" samples, too; that would clash with the scaled LFA samples, though, unless you scale the engine samples to suit as well, which is only going to magnify the under-rotating V10-ness.


All of which is why the F1 exhaust samples (despite their questionable quality) are the best option in lieu of actual HSV samples, and the engine samples can come from any other V8, practically (any engine full stop, probably), since there's no intake noise in any of them to give the game away.
I complained about the X2010 using the F1 samples when it appeared, but no-one took it seriously, and yet it's exactly the same mistreatment that the HSV has received - oh it's an F1-like, give it F1 sounds; oh, it's a GT500 car, give it the same samples as all the others. So the X2010 is a concrete reason not to have expected the HSV to sound right, rather than the general cynicism people seem to prefer.

 

[diegorborges]

Wow Griffith!

This was one hell of a nice explanation. Thanks! 👍

 

[Foxiol]

Nice job PD 1/1 this time...amazing...i am standing in front of my screen applauding you. Amazing job...







Now i may ask...do these 3 guys who make the sounds for GT5 HAS ANY CAR PASSION ON THEIR VEINS AT ALL!!??

What is this??...i mean, what is this!!??

There is no RAM issues in the PS3, there are no excuses for ruin such a lovely sound and as a car enthusiast as i am and more with the sounds...i am truly and beyond disappointed.

I knew the sound was going to be as the base sounds on the game...but i though that at least they could use something quite similar to the LFA or F1 sound samples...something at least close to the real engine sound of this lovely car.

If they are going to do the same for Gran Turismo 6...and you all can say whatever you want to me...i´m not going to buy it just because of this. They can put 2000 cars...100 tracks and whatever they want...but i don´t want to fall asleep again playing in the Nürburgring which to me is the best circuit in the world.

No more PD...loyal fan yes...but loyalty must be gained.

 

[HKS racer]

They just didn't create the proper HSV sound and slapped the typical standard race car noise. Kaz we live in youtube era we know how an HSV should sound like, you failed, again.

 

[Dude27]

Some people are color blind, Kaz is engine sound deaf... what a shame for such a symphonic car...

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

i honestly want to cry! how could they ruin such a beautiful sound! there is no excuse for that! meanwhile the GT500 GTR's all sound like the real thing, what the hell is wrong with you pd, i was gaining hope after hearing the stock V12 vantage..then got slapped in the face with this. i mean really, Do they even care??????????????

It was one thing to ruin the aventador, but the HONDA HSV-10....you should be ashamed of yourselves to even call yourselves car enthusiast.

This is just sad and pathetic, and this is coming from a die hard GT fan.

If they just slapped on sounds, should have used the zonda CS semi race exhaust sound, which surprizingly sounds helluva lot like a HONDA HSV-10. Some one needs to get kaz and the teams attention about these sounds, cause this is getting ridiculous.



here is a proper rendition in GTR2:

 

[alexlam24]

i honestly want to cry! How could they ruin such a beautiful sound! There is no excuse for that! Meanwhile the gt500 gtr's all sound like the real thing, what the hell is wrong with you pd, i was gaining hope after hearing the stock v12 vantage..then got slapped in the face with this. I mean really, do they even care??????????????

It was one thing to ruin the aventador, but the hvs....you should be ashamed of yourselves to even call yourselves car enthusiast.

This is just sad and pathetic, and this is coming from a die hard gt fan.

If they just slapped on sounds, should have used the zonda cs semi race exhaust sound, which surprizingly sounds helluva lot like a hvs. Some one needs to get kaz and the teams attention about these sounds, cause this is getting ridiculous.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efyrivaheuu&feature=related">youtube link</a>

hsv*

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

edit:

First time using this laptop mouse, if you can call it a mouse,please spare me, thing has been causing double post all day.

 

[TorqueHappenS08]

hsv*

Because it is really necessary to quote an entire post for a spelling error, all the while typing one thing:tup:.

Anyway, besides that, Fact is this sound is appauling, and something should be done about it, Atleast the C6 RM got a passable sound change, hoping it will happen to this.

Infact, really hoping this is a mistake and a sound file was misplaced.

 

[gt3killer]

Gt5's super gt cars are missing so much sound and sound effects compared to the real thing.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

After reading the last page or so of this thread, I’m not really sure if this is where I should post this, but…
Bravo PD for the sound after this update. I can run my cars online now, with stock exhaust and still hear when to shift! 👍

 

[1241Penguin]

Gt5's super gt cars are missing so much sound and sound effects compared to the real thing.

I wouldn't say it's a problem specific to Super GT cars in GT5, it's a problem that applies to all of the cars in GT5.

 

[Third Reign]

I think a big part in GT5's sound problem is that the doppler effect is modeled by what seems like an increase and decrease in volume rather than frequency shifts. The HSV's sound in game doesn't seem to be too far off compared to some quick youtube videos I found of some on board footage.

 

[1241Penguin]

It's the sound samples themselves. I don't think you get a doppler effect when driving inside the car, and even then, the car sounds nothing like the real one at all.

 

[RACECAR]

i honestly want to cry! how could they ruin such a beautiful sound! there is no excuse for that! meanwhile the GT500 GTR's all sound like the real thing, what the hell is wrong with you pd, i was gaining hope after hearing the stock V12 vantage..then got slapped in the face with this.

Are you kidding me? They don't even have those done right.




All they did was as someone pointed out reused samples from GT2.

Really, why did anyone expect PD to nail the HSV? Why? Everyone trashes PD because of how off their sounds are so why did everyone suddenly expect something different?

 

[Crowood]

So the GT5 HSV redlines at 9.000 rpm in that video, the GT5 Ferrari F1 redlines at 16.000 rpm. PD could try to modify the F1 exhaust sample to fit the HSVs rpm. If that would not cause problems in the interior view.

I would really like a DLC Carsoundpack

Really, why did anyone expect PD to nail the HSV? Why? Everyone trashes PD because of how off their sounds are so why did everyone suddenly expect something different?

We did not expect that, what we expected was, PD would "try" to get the sounds "similar" to the real one.

 

[Griffith500]

So the GT5 HSV redlines at 9.000 rpm in that video, the GT5 Ferrari F1 redlines at 16.000 rpm. PD could try to modify the F1 exhaust sample to fit the HSVs rpm. If that would not cause problems in the interior view.

I would really like a DLC Carsoundpack

I thought the HSV was closer to 10, but F1 cars are definitely around 18 000 rpm. Obviously 2x10k is 20k, so I was worried there might need to be a bit of extra under-sampling (which results in extra thinness), but if it's only 9k, then it's perfect!

The interior view is normally dominated by "engine" sounds in GT5, so using non-F1 "engine" sounds with the F1 exhaust will tie it all together nicely - at least as nicely as we're going to get with the sounds on the disk.

I have much bigger ambitions for sound in car games, and I'm hoping (if not necessarily believing) what we're seeing here is the result of a non-technical person assigning sounds under duress whilst the sound guys work on the real goodies. GT2 showed so much promise on that front and we're still waiting for them to follow through, so to say.

 

[solracarreug]

i can't believe people in polyphony have been making this kind of effort for the sound..wich is none.
The new HSV is just a recycled sound from every other japanese gt on the game , and in reality it has absolutly screaming raging sound.~
I really don't know what to think or make of this: do they just dont care about this? Is the sound team of gt5 really a bunch of eardefs? Are they just caring about gt6 and not gt5?For kazunori is it all about polygons?.
Dont get me wrong i love gran turismo, but they after day i just feel PD is ****ing on the long time lovers over and over again withan issue they can't seem to fix, and that it is a huge part of the game that affects every car every time ypu go on a race.
Call me crazy but i have been buying all dlc's until this one, in a hope that at least i am making an effort and giving them money to make gt6 the best it can be, if this isn't the case, i won't bother anymore with gran turismo.
I know call me crazy

 

[Griffith500]

I think it might be unfair to say they don't care or don't put any effort in, but I'd suspect that ignorance (lack of knowledge, and the unawareness of that lacking in knowledge) might be a key factor somewhere. Then there's the idea of working on something else, or that they have a broken feedback system in the form of bad hearing (which is more likely a perception issue, than necessarily an actual ear issue), which I agree are easily possible.

My advice would be not to take it personally and remember that GT is a commodity, not an investment.

Welcome to GTP, by the way.

 

[alonsof1fan91]

This was the only car I wanted to buy from this dlc... They ruined it again.

You can keep your HSV PD, Ill stick with the Epson NSX...

 

[Lock2Lock]

This was the only car I wanted to buy from this dlc... They ruined it again.

You can keep your HSV PD, Ill stick with the Epson NSX...

Raybrig powwwwer. I love my nsx too much to give it up anyway

 

[ForceMotion]

Well guys perhaps they change the sound in another update.. This happened before although i agree its such a shame to release this car with such a bad car sample :/ Thats really a turn-off!