GT5 Sound Thread
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- CoolColJ, GTP_CoolColJ
As for blow-off valves, they were fairly prominent in GT2
They were toned down too much in GT3, brought back in the picture a bit for GT4 and GT5- still needs more "jeuging up", though.
It would be cool if you could choose one with a particular sound.
Example comparison vid.
Only really misses out the "fluttery" type.
Can't hear it on this one, though!
That "squirrel" (as Jeremy Clarkson calls it) flutter sound is because they're not running a blow off valve
What your hearing is the compressed air rushing back out through the turbo, sorta bouncing between the closed throttle body and the turbo blades, instead of venting outside through a blow off valve. It's called compressor surge and it's bad, damages the turbo....
You can get that sound with a really tight spring on the BOV, so it remains closed or partially closed with low boost pressure
The thing is, turbo BOV and flutter sounds should be dynamic, you can't recreate the full effect with samples.
It should sound different at various loads and boost levels. Otherwise it gets annoying when it's a static sample
I hope turbo whine/whistle makes a come back. It used to be pretty loud in GT2
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McLaren
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There's no argument there, I just find it should be noted before someone makes the post, "OMG, Shift sounds nothing like a real F430".Yeah, that all makes sense.
Except, the biggest difference between the normal F430 and the challenge is arguably the use of a carbon-fibre intake tract, which is far louder than the stock version, and changes the sound of the car dramatically.
The exhaust is just a bit screamier, and a tad louder - it's lost the mid-range growl.
Vid. (quality's a bit poo, though.)
Supercar challenge is still a bit poor in light of this, and NFS shift still too "over-the-top" - the exhaust sound is mixed too heavily for the interior, too.
Second vid.
Third vid.
The last video is almost all intake noise!
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Its clear to see the sounds have improved with the GT5 videos, though they arent perfect sure, they are convincing enough to be enjoyable. The formula 1 video at the start a few people say that it looks/sounds like real life. I have to disagree here, it looks and sounds great but it doesnt sound or look like the real thing. The engine on the ferrari F1 is too whiny, much too much top end and lacking in some of the low mid grunt (sounds like a boost at 2-4khz and a cut below 1khz).
I really look forward to driving the F1 cars and this is a huge improvement over the Formula GT in GT4 but it still doesn't sound 100% convincing in comparision to the real thing. Ive been watching F1 since i was a boy so the sound of those F1 engines are ingrained into my head.
I really look forward to driving the F1 cars and this is a huge improvement over the Formula GT in GT4 but it still doesn't sound 100% convincing in comparision to the real thing. Ive been watching F1 since i was a boy so the sound of those F1 engines are ingrained into my head.
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Hehe, I think as human beings we find it difficult to stop and think whether what we "know" is actually correct. Especially since it'd involve a lot of effort to find out either way.
I've still yet to play with the F2007 in Prologue (actually, my PS3 has been unplugged for the last month or so, I've nowhere to put my wheel anymore
)From videos I'll say it doesn't quite sound right (samples-wise) but the dynamics of the gear-changes (excluding "effects") and the way the revs rise and fall are almost spot on.
I started watching F1 in the turbo era, so I think it's safe to say that Formula 1 car sounds change dramatically as the years go by. After the turbos came the return of the V12s, and the abundance of V10s before they were banned and we're now stuck with V8s.
Somewhere along the line, variable valve timing was banned, too, so that changed the sound (more gradual), and of course traction control has an effect - even the gearboxes do, too. Today, I suppose, technically, each engine sounds slightly different at each race, since they're set up differently to suit the tracks - this might only be limited to exhaust parts, I'm not well up on the rules.
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So people prefer to most likely ruin their turbos, but sound cool, rather than get a blow off valve?That "squirrel" (as Jeremy Clarkson calls it) flutter sound is because they're not running a blow off valve
What your hearing is the compressed air rushing back out through the turbo, sorta bouncing between the closed throttle body and the turbo blades, instead of venting outside through a blow off valve. It's called compressor surge and it's bad, damages the turbo....
You can get that sound with a really tight spring on the BOV, so it remains closed or partially closed with low boost pressure
Wait why am I surprised?
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- trk29
First modification I did to my old GST was put a Greddy BOV on purged to the atmosphere. And after that I got a electronic Greddy boost controller, which changed the sound of the BOV and then got the upper and lower IC piping which then again changed the sound of the BOV. There is so many things that can change the sound of the motor and the power, it would be hard for PD to fully replicate all these modifications for so many cars.
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Oh yeah, I missed that. Well, I thought it was a badly damped BOV, but it seems it's an aerodynamic / mechanical interaction in the compressor?
I doubt that's good for the bearings, or the compressor wheel...
Sounds interesting! It would be difficult, but not altogether impossible to approach the general effect of such modifications, even if it doesn't quite sound like a particular installation / setup (which is dependent on the materials as much as anything else). It'd sound different, at least in a "logical" way, for each modification.
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While Forza does seem to upset GT in the sound of most cars, the 3 rotor is NOT one of them. The 20b in Forza sounds absolutely nothing like a rotary, which is sad because to me the 3 rotor is the best sounding engine there is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KfHlEf7Yxc
Compared to GT5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnzIUKB5y20
Compared to real 20b-pp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqEyAIRR1c
(I realize they are 3 different cars, but they all use the exact same engine with similar 3-1 exhaust configurations)
Granted the 20b in GT5 is not nearly aggressive sounding enough, but at least the tone is right. It is a bit 'whizzy' like all GT sounds too.
PGR4 nailed the 13b-rew FD3S engine sound. Its pitch perfect, and even replicates that delicious high rpm resonance (the note gets 'thicker' as the RPM's approach redline):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUmjLjjtcsQ
as compared to a real rx7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwRhi71IrvU
I really hope GT5 gets the rotary engine sound right, so many games fail hard at it. Sony needs to realize that the sound character of an engine comes not from the exhaust, but from the induction. Highly tuned n/a engines make the best noises.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KfHlEf7Yxc
Compared to GT5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnzIUKB5y20
Compared to real 20b-pp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqEyAIRR1c
(I realize they are 3 different cars, but they all use the exact same engine with similar 3-1 exhaust configurations)
Granted the 20b in GT5 is not nearly aggressive sounding enough, but at least the tone is right. It is a bit 'whizzy' like all GT sounds too.
PGR4 nailed the 13b-rew FD3S engine sound. Its pitch perfect, and even replicates that delicious high rpm resonance (the note gets 'thicker' as the RPM's approach redline):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUmjLjjtcsQ
as compared to a real rx7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwRhi71IrvU
I really hope GT5 gets the rotary engine sound right, so many games fail hard at it. Sony needs to realize that the sound character of an engine comes not from the exhaust, but from the induction. Highly tuned n/a engines make the best noises.
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- CoolColJ, GTP_CoolColJ
exactly, the turbo runs into brickwall negative resistance!Oh yeah, I missed that. Well, I thought it was a badly damped BOV, but it seems it's an aerodynamic / mechanical interaction in the compressor?
I doubt that's good for the bearings, or the compressor wheel...
8 PSI pressure is enough to suck someone out of a plane...
Sounds good though. I've heard that sound on some Turbo Diesel trucks that drive by
since the blow off valve vents a lot of air, feed a whistle or a duck call on the end of it and have fun if you want a nice sound
Very good example of the turbo whistle/hiss I speak of, you can hear it come in as the turbo gets into boost, and a normal BOV sound.
One thing I like about turbos over NA cars, all the cool noises
Although you lose the nice NA rasp and induction roar
The Rx7 in Prologue sounded quite authentic to me, as a stock Rx7 that is
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Something interesting, a GTR vid, but with the mic setup in the engine bay, as they would be when creating a sound for a game!
Pure engine/induction noise under load without any sound muffling
It's using street tyres and listen to them scream for the people who complain about the excessive tyre noise in GT games....
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wow, never heard so much tire squeel on a youtube video...
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SrRd RacinG
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Why doesn't PD hire this dude?
First scene (first 21 seconds)=epic.
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The problem is, in real life F1 cars sound very different to the sounds you here on the tv.
Believe me, they are very very very loud. I was at the 2007 turkish grand prix, sitting at T7 in the qualifying and T8 in the race... When those guys shift down, it sounds like some kind of bomb detonating right infront of you.
It was so amazing for me because I never visited a car race before that and when the GP2 race stopped and the first F1 cars started their engines, you could hear those unbelievebal noisy engines eventhough you were so far away from the pits.
I think PD did an amazing job with the F2007 because they made it sound like those cars you see in the TV. Nothing is perfect, but Im fine with the F2007. Im more disappointed with the F599...
BTW: Im looking forward to drive more F1 cars in GT5 too
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Probably because it was over the top...
I've visited Silverstone several times to watch the F1, and it does not sound like some kind of bomb detonating right in front of you. Loud, yes, different to what you hear on TV, yes, but don't exaggerate it beyond its worth.
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If you want to hear a "bomb detonating right in front of you" for a constant 4 to 5 seconds, you should go and visit some Top Fuel Dragsters instead. F1 is loud, but no comparison. Top Fuel-er's will give you a rumbling sound and vibration that becomes addicting, whereas F1's are whiny.
They both sound awesome in their own way though. i hope PD get ALL car sounds correct this time around. In the past, they seem to miss out the raw sound of an engine under full load.
They both sound awesome in their own way though. i hope PD get ALL car sounds correct this time around. In the past, they seem to miss out the raw sound of an engine under full load.
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I had an experience from one Hockenheim F1 race and my ears were totally worn out after watching all that from tribune 80 meters away. Ear plugs were standard there to protect your ears from damage. I didn't use them and after saturday training I had serious whistling in my ears till evening from that. And yes, every downshifting from 300 km/h was series of serious detonations. There is maybe 30% loudness difference between common cars and F1 in Prologue but in reality it's somewhere like 1000%.
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Kinda sums up this thread... sound is subjective. Were you listening with Living Room stereo or Large Theatre 5.1? Have you heard a real bomb detonating? etc...
This is why I've always hated sounds in GT games, particularly with muscle cars; check out this modded Cobra R in GT4:
Now lets see a real modded Cobra R:
The sound isnt even in the same BALLPARK. Not even in the same galaxy. I have no idea how they seriously thought their previous muscle car sounds were anything close to acceptable. I really hope it's better in GT5.
Now lets see a real modded Cobra R:
The sound isnt even in the same BALLPARK. Not even in the same galaxy. I have no idea how they seriously thought their previous muscle car sounds were anything close to acceptable. I really hope it's better in GT5.
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If you ask me both of them guys are awesome, love the first guys cause the tube gives much more effect of a real exhaust echo, but the second guys Honda Type R was classic as was his Bridge port style rotor mota.
@ 1st post on page 1, LOLs at the GT1 sound to GT5 Nissan race car sound, i can hear the same(or very similar) audio file used, to me it just sound like GT5 has an uncompressed audio due to Bluray and PS3 ability to do 7.1 over PS1's compressed 2 channel audio but the core sounds the same.
Dont know how to take it? was GT1 kicking butt for its day or has GT never evolved in sound and more worried about Polys per sec, Fill rate and HDR lighting?
Regardless i still think GTs sound is good and not over the top like other games like the NFS_S video posted above.
@ 1st post on page 1, LOLs at the GT1 sound to GT5 Nissan race car sound, i can hear the same(or very similar) audio file used, to me it just sound like GT5 has an uncompressed audio due to Bluray and PS3 ability to do 7.1 over PS1's compressed 2 channel audio but the core sounds the same.
Dont know how to take it? was GT1 kicking butt for its day or has GT never evolved in sound and more worried about Polys per sec, Fill rate and HDR lighting?
Regardless i still think GTs sound is good and not over the top like other games like the NFS_S video posted above.
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I was at the Montreal race this year and for qualifying I went to the short straight between the Senna curves and the first chicane, only like 2-3 meters away from the track at the fence, and it's just ridiculous. I couldn't stand there for very long cause my ears felt like they were going to explode (absolutely need ear plugs to stay that close). Even if you just take a few steps back it's much easier to take, but it's really loud. When you're in the grandstands it's still loud but it's nothing at all like being right close up.
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This is basically how I imagined I'd do it if I had that kind of resources!(while I was doing TDU sound modding!)
btw.I had just idle-low-mid-high samples to create the whole sound(so it's obviously of less richness) and still did a waaay better job than PD(no false modesty mod ON)!)
Try to ignore the smugness of some of turn 10's employees and also, the stupid video editor guy who cranks up the music while you're supposed to hear the dyno run...duh!
Ford gt in GT, featuring a horrible,lifeless,unrealistic and SYTHETIC hyundai 4 banger apparently???+arrgh that tire screech, my ears are bleeding!
Old but I just had to point out the very obvious error where you somehow have mistakenly compared that dyno to a video of the Ford GT LM(which isn't real By the way), not the Ford GT Road car.
Haha, my work continues to get noticed
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Im no native english speaker, so I didn`t knew how to describe it with other words. I think "it sounds like a explosion" would fit, right? If not, then give me the right words.
Especially those Spykers and Red Bull back then made those "bomb-like" noises noticeable while shifting down.
btw: IIRC they shift all the way down from 4/5th gear to 2nd on T7 of the Istanbul park, maybe thats the reason why it sounded like this to me.
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