GT5 Used Car Database [in progress]

[WRXWagonFan]

This is no help, the other PS3 I have access to, the day 1 UCD starts in Master List_1 starts at row 267, the 2nd 45th day car (Legacy B4 2.0GT '03). Easy to find because of the WEDSSPORT CELICA '03 in my UCD's day 2/car 5 position.

Now I really wish my phat didn't YLOD'ed.

 

[chances14]

At the risk of being an obnoxious know-it-all I'm going to try and explain with an example of one possible implementation. If you feel I'm being obnoxious please be kind when telling me.

We have 800 cars in the UCD. So we need to choose a range a bit larger than 800 that will allow us to make a given car appear more or less frequently. The larger we choose this number the more control we will have over the frequency of a given car. Let's go with a range of 10000. I'm just choosing it because it will make it simpler to understand. 10000/800 is about 12. A car that has an average number of appearances will have 12 numbers alloted to it. If we want a car to be rare we allot less than 12. If we want a car to appear more we allot more than twelve. Now, we have broken down our range of 10000 (0-9999) so every number will lead us to a car. Step 1 complete. (Side note: have you noticed that a Ford GT '02 is more frequent since the UCD was changed? They probably changed the frequency of this car because for many it did not appear in the first 2000 days or so. )

Next we need a pseudo random number generator. PD probably chose one for how good it is. I'm going to choose one for how simple it is. First, we want a seed that varies little. Let's choose something either PSN ID or Ethernet address, whatever it does not matter as long as it is always available and will not change on a given PS3. If the number is greater than 1000 we will just lop of any thing greater than 1000. So, for example we might get a number like, 435,329,726. In that case we will just take the 726 and make that our seed. Now, we are always going to add that 726 to the current in game day times 6(because we generate 6 cars every day). We will also have a number for the particular car within the day(0-5). Our seed will always be 726+6*(current day-1)+(car in day #). Next, we need a way to turn the seed into an apparently random number in our range of 10000. We are going to choose a prime number near our limit of 1000. I am arbitrarily choosing 9781. By the way, choosing say 9743 instead will result in a completely different list. This might be how they generate two different lists. For our random number generator we are just going to multiply the seed by the magic number 9781. So on day zero we get

9743*(726+6*0+0) = 9743*726 = 7,073,418.

We are just going to lop off any thing over 10000. So, our random number is 3,418. We take that number and look it up in our range of cars we made up earlier and that is the car that comes up in the UCD The rest of the cars for the day are

9743*(726+6*0+1) = 9743*727 = 7,083,161
9743*(726+6*0+2) = 9743*728 = 7,092,904
9743*(726+6*0+3) = 9743*729 = 7,102,647
9743*(726+6*0+4) = 9743*730 = 7,112,390
9743*(726+6*0+5) = 9743*731 = 7,122,133

Again lopping off anything after 10000 we get 3161 for our next car. The first car on the 15th day we will get

9743*(726+6*15+0) = 9743*810 = 7,891,830.

Again lopping off any thing after 10000 we get 1830 which we look up in our range of cars.

There are certainly a few issues with this example and it is almost certainly not the actual implementation. However, I hope it helps you understand what is likely going on a bit better.

nice work 👍 good explanation

on another note i am at day 7420 and still no signs of a cycle

 

[jeep2008]

I started,in another psn,a new game.Can someone please tell me if there is a list with the 1-100 day let's say ucd?Cheers!

 

[TornadoAlley]

I started,in another psn,a new game.Can someone please tell me if there is a list with the 1-100 day let's say ucd?Cheers!

Look in my sig for links to two ways to view the list that has been compiled. Been away all weekend and won't be back to my computer until tomorrow will look through the thread to update the compiled list then.

 

[gallianoo]

nice work 👍 good explanation

on another note i am at day 7420 and still no signs of a cycle

Wow.. Have you done anyhing else than playing GT5 the last four months?

I hope that you soon will see some type of pattern, either a connection to the other list or to #1.

How long was the cycle in GT4?

 

[jeep2008]

Look in my sig for links to two ways to view the list that has been compiled. Been away all weekend and won't be back to my computer until tomorrow will look through the thread to update the compiled list then.

Thanks 👍 My first day though is your third.From then on we move together.I have a fat one ,if that matters at all.

 

[chances14]

Wow.. Have you done anyhing else than playing GT5 the last four months?

I hope that you soon will see some type of pattern, either a connection to the other list or to #1.

How long was the cycle in GT4?

hehe actually most of the days are just a result of me cycling through the ucd using the refresh trick. i can probably cycle through close to 400 days in 30 mins if i really want to

 

[gallianoo]

hehe actually most of the days are just a result of me cycling through the ucd using the refresh trick.

Hehe - good to hear

I try to combine writing the list with actual grinding - so it takes quite some time. I don't want to miss the occational supercar

I think this thread would have been flooded with contributors if it wasn't for all the duping/cheating that enabled players to obtain all the rare cars in short time.

 

[glw]

HELP!

I've been trying forever to find the Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 in the UCD. I'm on game day 3709. When can I expect to see it in the UCD?

 

[GTsail]

Here's more progress from my UCD for days 203 to day 227:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AhLnvpaHGHQEdFlRLXZjTFBldGRtRFdzZk41UGdaN0E&hl=en

GTsail

 

[911_RS]

Can someone confirm this...the Panoz has not shown up yet in either UCD list????? Or am I filtering wrong....

Thanks

 

[sorg]

benjoromo,
there is no source code of SDK. It's rather h files and pre-compiled libraries.
I'm talking about leaked PS3 SDKs like 1.92 and 3.41.
First version of GT5 EBOOT.bin (came on BDROM) is not ndprm and thus can be decrypted for future analysis in IDAPro. Unfortunately, although unself.exe decrypts EBOOT.bin correctly, it doesn't re-create correct ELF file. Thus data sections are not correctly linked to code sections in IDAPro disassembly listing.

 

[TornadoAlley]

Can someone confirm this...the Panoz has not shown up yet in either UCD list????? Or am I filtering wrong....

Thanks

It has now been seen once (I just got around to a major update to both lists).

It has been seen in master list #1 day 763.

I only have time to update the shared online list. I will need more time to get the searchable/downloadable list updated.

Master List 2 is now only missing 9 cars. I need to do some cleanup on Master List 1 before I know how many are still missing.

 

[glw]

HELP!

I've been trying forever to find the Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 in the UCD. I'm on game day 3709. When can I expect to see it in the UCD?

Finally!

The Chaparral 2D Race Car '67 showed up on my day 3811, the Nissan R390 GT1 Race Car '98 on my day 3810, and the Toyota Wedssport Celica '03 on my day 3808.

 

[pankaixilaren]

Well, hello there!
I really like this forum -even I can't understand exactly how to make it "work" for me... (That's the reason I signed here...). Anyway!
I have something to tell you -hoping, you'll find it helpfull for your "statistics":
I started playing GT5, on an old PS3 -that's the very first, with the 4 USB ports and the 40GB hard disk. Since I'm not so lucky (generally) and many "accidents" happen to me, I bought TWO editions of GT5: The simple one and the Collector's. (After a few days, I bought the Signature edition, too, but I didn't open it, since it didn't offer much more to me: it's just the Collector's one, plus a "flyer" with codes for stealth cars). So...
After I started over and over again the game, so many times (I was reaching about Level 20 and restarting, again and again; I wanted to find a good "formula" for playing it) drom BOTH discs, I realized some things. For example:
The order of the cars -especially the beginning, as I can remember- at the used car lot, was ALWAYS the same! In addition, I can still remember some remarkable "moments": For example, as soon as I was reaching level 6, a Toyota Tacoma X Runner, was appearing! That means, just in time I was in the need for it! (Sport Truck Race, Lv.6). That happened on both of the discs!...
...Unfortunatelly, my dear and reliable PS3 "kicked the buckets"! Some problem with the laser eye, made it impossible to read Blu Ray discs. Since it was the third I had in my own, I decided not to send it for service, but replace it with a new one -well, sure, it has just 2 USB ports and no PS2 discs support, but it's slimmer and gots a better hard disk. As you can imagine, I restarted the game for one more time!...
...Completely different openiong screen on used cars lot! And of course, Tacoma X Runner didn't appear as soon as I reached Level 6, but many days later -enough to buy 2 Fords, a car that I had never seen on 300 days of playing on the previous machine!
It's true: The car order depends from the console! I don't know if region plays any role, but, if it helps, I'm from Greece -so, please, forgive my english!
Thanks a lot!

PS If you'd like me to tell you the day I am and what cars have just appeared, just let me know, OK?

 

[911_RS]

It has now been seen once (I just got around to a major update to both lists).

It has been seen in master list #1 day 763.

I only have time to update the shared online list. I will need more time to get the searchable/downloadable list updated.

Master List 2 is now only missing 9 cars. I need to do some cleanup on Master List 1 before I know how many are still missing.

Thanks man!

 

[chances14]

Well, hello there!
I really like this forum -even I can't understand exactly how to make it "work" for me... (That's the reason I signed here...). Anyway!
I have something to tell you -hoping, you'll find it helpfull for your "statistics":
I started playing GT5, on an old PS3 -that's the very first, with the 4 USB ports and the 40GB hard disk. Since I'm not so lucky (generally) and many "accidents" happen to me, I bought TWO editions of GT5: The simple one and the Collector's. (After a few days, I bought the Signature edition, too, but I didn't open it, since it didn't offer much more to me: it's just the Collector's one, plus a "flyer" with codes for stealth cars). So...
After I started over and over again the game, so many times (I was reaching about Level 20 and restarting, again and again; I wanted to find a good "formula" for playing it) drom BOTH discs, I realized some things. For example:
The order of the cars -especially the beginning, as I can remember- at the used car lot, was ALWAYS the same! In addition, I can still remember some remarkable "moments": For example, as soon as I was reaching level 6, a Toyota Tacoma X Runner, was appearing! That means, just in time I was in the need for it! (Sport Truck Race, Lv.6). That happened on both of the discs!...
...Unfortunatelly, my dear and reliable PS3 "kicked the buckets"! Some problem with the laser eye, made it impossible to read Blu Ray discs. Since it was the third I had in my own, I decided not to send it for service, but replace it with a new one -well, sure, it has just 2 USB ports and no PS2 discs support, but it's slimmer and gots a better hard disk. As you can imagine, I restarted the game for one more time!...
...Completely different openiong screen on used cars lot! And of course, Tacoma X Runner didn't appear as soon as I reached Level 6, but many days later -enough to buy 2 Fords, a car that I had never seen on 300 days of playing on the previous machine!
It's true: The car order depends from the console! I don't know if region plays any role, but, if it helps, I'm from Greece -so, please, forgive my english!
Thanks a lot!

PS If you'd like me to tell you the day I am and what cars have just appeared, just let me know, OK?

the order of the cars is determined by something unique to each ps3, such as a serial code or mac address. so it's no surprise that your list is different on your new ps3. Both discs will yield the same car order on the same ps3.

 

[pankaixilaren]

the order of the cars is determined by something unique to each ps3, such as a serial code or mac address. so it's no surprise that your list is different on your new ps3. Both discs will yield the same car order on the same ps3.

Thanks a lot, dude!
(I'm 100% sure, there MUST be something on this, too... Doesn't sounds so "random" for me! Hey! You, all the guys here, made me so suspicious!)
Thanks again!

 

[jeep2008]

Really appreciate the job you are doing here guys!Thank you!!A friend of mine is at 894 day,any data from that day on?Also I'm at 1350-1400 day,any data there?Cheers!

 

[jaymanji]

Really appreciate the job you are doing here guys!Thank you!!A friend of mine is at 894 day,any data from that day on?Also I'm at 1350-1400 day,any data there?Cheers!

Not sure if anyone's recorded those days yet. My data starts from day 1700ish if you find yourself on the same list as me. Check out TornadoAlley's master list if you can.

I've done some digging on the prices and mileage and have been able to calculate theoretical 0km prices for the cars I've recorded. Don't know if anyone else already worked these out but a few facts for anyone who's interested in this sort of thing

All cars have linear depreciation which halves the price at 100000km,
At 300000km, cars are back at full price but follow the same depreciation up to 400000km,
'05 - '06 cars have no more than 30000km,
'03 - '04 cars have no more than 40000km,
'01 - '02 cars have no more than 50000km,
'00 cars no more than 60000km,
'99 cars no more than 70000km,
'98 cars no more than 80000km,
'97 cars no more than 90000km,
'96 and older no more than 100000km except for the very old models with 300000km,
Racers/Rally/Tuners have no more than 10000km (maybe less),
Concept cars I haven't seen anymore than 300km.

If I'm correct there are some errors in the data, mostly through typos in the price/mileage. There might be a few incorrect models. I haven't confirmed anything yet in case I've got it wrong.

 

[msaraiva]

i got extremely lucky the other day and got one with a level 1000 ticket. i couldn't believe my good fortune. the c60 03 is for sure one of the most rare cars in the game. if you look on the master sheet, it only shows up 3 times

...so rare that it showed up for me about 7 times, while i continue my quest for the Formula Gran Turismo. This UCD thing is very frustrating, indeed.

I can't find a match on the master list, so it's license cycling for me.

 

[GTP_roadrunner]

...so rare that it showed up for me about 7 times, while i continue my quest for the Formula Gran Turismo. This UCD thing is very frustrating, indeed.

I can't find a match on the master list, so it's license cycling for me.

I know how you feel, mate. Being >6k gamedays into the game, no sign of one NSX-R Proto LM Race Car. Maybe I missed it someday, nevertheless this thing will drive me crazy. Not the mallest sign of any matching with the lists
I'm cycling for the last 2 reallife-days for this car, none.

Feels like it simply is non-existent in my copy of the game...

 

[BlackoutBilly]

Question: So when I'm searching through the spread sheets trying to find the cycle that matches up with mine, should I be searching for the first car (first column, first row) that is in my UCD, then just keep going til I see the other cars that match up?

I've been doing this for some time searching for any kind of match, but none so far. I'm on day 819.

 

[chances14]

quick update: i'm on day 8013 and still no cycle

 

[chances14]

...so rare that it showed up for me about 7 times, while i continue my quest for the Formula Gran Turismo. This UCD thing is very frustrating, indeed.

I can't find a match on the master list, so it's license cycling for me.

they have increased the frequency of a lot of the race cars since they refreshed the ucd order in patch 1.06. yes i have seen the c60 a lot more frequently than before

 

[encoded]

I've loaded up TornadoAlley's compiled list into a web site. You can test it out here:

http://gt5cars.heroku.com/used_car_searches/new

It will show you what's currently in your used car dealership, as well as the next thirty cars. It can also tell you how many days until car X appears in your dealership (if known).

I'm sure it still has some bugs and rough edges, it's just a prototype at this stage, but I'd love to get some feedback on it.

Thanks everyone who helped compile these lists, you're awesome!

e.

 

[TornadoAlley]

I've loaded up TornadoAlley's compiled list into a web site. You can test it out here:

http://gt5cars.heroku.com/used_car_searches/new

It will show you what's currently in your used car dealership, as well as the next thirty cars. It can also tell you how many days until car X appears in your dealership (if known).

I'm sure it still has some bugs and rough edges, it's just a prototype at this stage, but I'd love to get some feedback on it.

Thanks everyone who helped compile these lists, you're awesome!

e.

That's a pretty sweet interface you have there!

Did you consider adding drop down lists when selecting your current cars? Typing works fine but there is much less error in typing using those (just giving some feedback).

I wish the database had more cars filled in so the search was more useful but at least there are some cars in there.

 

[jeep2008]

I've loaded up TornadoAlley's compiled list into a web site. You can test it out here:

http://gt5cars.heroku.com/used_car_searches/new

It will show you what's currently in your used car dealership, as well as the next thirty cars. It can also tell you how many days until car X appears in your dealership (if known).

I'm sure it still has some bugs and rough edges, it's just a prototype at this stage, but I'd love to get some feedback on it.

Thanks everyone who helped compile these lists, you're awesome!

e.

We should enter the cars as they appear when we first get in the ucd (cars show acoording to level)or after we press the square(?) to show them according to their price?

 

[encoded]

That's a pretty sweet interface you have there!

Thanks!

Did you consider adding drop down lists when selecting your current cars? Typing works fine but there is much less error in typing using those (just giving some feedback).

Feeback is great! I'm not sure how much you've played with the site, but as you start typing, the names of matching cars should appear for you to quickly select... That's assuming you have javascript, which I assume 99% of people have these days. Select boxes with that many entries are difficult to work with. I did however, forget to turn on the option that prevents you from entering a value that's not in the autocomplete list. Doing so would probably help. I can also set it up to be a select list for folks without javascript, and the autocomplete text boxes for those with javascript. Unless you have some other reason for preferring select boxes that I haven't thought of?

I wish the database had more cars filled in so the search was more useful but at least there are some cars in there.

I think it's a great start! As you update your google doc, I'll update this search to match.

Thanks,

e.

 

[encoded]

We should enter the cars as they appear when we first get in the ucd (cars show acoording to level)or after we press the square(?) to show them according to their price?

Good question! The cars are expected to be in order by "Dealer Acquisition", which should be the default when you enter your used car dealership. I'll put a note on the site to that effect.

Thanks,

e.