GT6 'MY HOME' HUB: Awards time.

[nowayback]

So far Nsx Type S '99 Monroe fastest AI . Probably haven't reached his limit yet, faster I go faster he goes.

 

[Vic Reign93]

Threw a Hail Mary, but this time it worked out.

 

[nowayback]

Found a bit more, did window weight reduction, seemed to help

 

[Vic Reign93]

Turns out it wasn't a Hail Mary, looking back I had to get some sleep so I thought 'that'll do'.

If I had more time, I could've taken 2 seconds off it.

I guess I've learnt not to go after fast times whilst needing sleep.

But I'll be back to make amends for that.

 

[MTM79]

You scared him off, MTM.

Apparently so.. After my 10:37 race he simply refuced to start from the pole. I tried for three hours during two days to find the fast lineup, but the best I got was Calvo starting from 2nd place and slowing down behind the pole-position-AI. He did sub 11 minute races, but nothing worth to mention..

Off to this week's races then.

To the beginner race I took the same ZZII that I used to challenge Calvo. Quite disappointing results.. They didn't stand a chance. Overlapped couple of the slower AI in the end.



Then the intermediate race. Had my hopes up with AC Cobra. Rather similar results, massive overkill, despite my driving being half racing, half drifting.



Finally for the expert race. X-Bow was my weapon. Looked promising in the beginning, first 2-3 AI's had good cars and a considerable lead in the beginning of this medium length race. In the end it was unfortunately another walk in the park..



So all in all the races took 25 minutes and were sort of uneventful and boring.

Two possible paths to follow and explore here in my opinion. First I might start using cars clearly below the PP limit as the AI seems to be doing at the moment. This way I would adapt to their slow racing and find closely matched races and exitement.

Another path to explore would be to continue driving the overkill cars and seeing just how much the AI will pick up pace eventually and how fast rabbits there are in store. The AI has evolved to drive faster along with players in every seasonal before. Maybe they just lowered the starting point of AI's pace.

Propably I'll end up trying a bit of both ways. Slow stock cars and different kinds of overkills..

 

[nowayback]

I usually start with PP between 50-100 less than limit. Fro example London used Mito at 387pp, Silverstone Corv coupe c2 '63 400pp and autumn MR-s Edit 6mt '02 497pp. I like for 1st race to be interesting . Do a quick tune and procced from there. Really wish they would put a bit ore thought in the Expert races.

 

[nowayback]

Turns out it wasn't a Hail Mary, looking back I had to get some sleep so I thought 'that'll do'.

If I had more time, I could've taken 2 seconds off it.

I guess I've learnt not to go after fast times whilst needing sleep.

But I'll be back to make amends for that.

Only way I was going to beat your time was to catch you sleeping, and you had no chance to reply .

 

[photonrider]

Apparently so.. After my 10:37 race he simply refuced to start from the pole. I tried for three hours during two days to find the fast lineup, but the best I got was Calvo starting from 2nd place and slowing down behind the pole-position-AI. He did sub 11 minute races, but nothing worth to mention.

Dang, MTM - you are doing so much work to make some sense of all this - and it's all good information.
The question remains - why won't Calvo get on pole when you call for the field?
Are you merely 'retrying' without doing the race and retrying?
Is it the car?
There is also a lot more in your post I would like to discuss - but pressed for time. However - we have a long weekend coming up and I shall be able to spend more time on this thread (lots of work for me to do ).

I played some of the Seasonals this afternoon and Vitale ( back in the Beginners - and with a bunch of very slow rabbits) also threw me a few mysterious moves.
It seems like something strange has happened to all the fields - almost like Level 20 drive-bots been given high PP cars.

Some interesting events for sure - and IMO more geared to the 'younger' gaming crowd - as Kaz would put it "Boys' GT".

Back later for more in-depth discussion.

Thanks for keeping things going - I see nowayback back with a bang and hall90 still electrifying us.

I can assume that many are trying these challenges but getting nowhere near you guys' times so are not really saying anything; I myself have tried to get close to your times but am usually 10-15 seconds off your fastest.

 

[CBH]

Dang, MTM - you are doing so much work to make some sense of all this - and it's all good information.
The question remains - why won't Calvo get on pole when you call for the field?
Are you merely 'retrying' without doing the race and retrying?
Is it the car?
There is also a lot more in your post I would like to discuss - but pressed for time. However - we have a long weekend coming up and I shall be able to spend more time on this thread (lots of work for me to do ).

I played some of the Seasonals this afternoon and Vitale ( back in the Beginners - and with a bunch of very slow rabbits) also threw me a few mysterious moves.
It seems like something strange has happened to all the fields - almost like Level 20 drive-bots been given high PP cars.

Some interesting events for sure - and IMO more geared to the 'younger' gaming crowd - as Kaz would put it "Boys' GT".

Back later for more in-depth discussion.

Thanks for keeping things going - I see nowayback back with a bang and hall90 still electrifying us.

I can assume that many are trying these challenges but getting nowhere near you guys' times so are not really saying anything; I myself have tried to get close to your times but am usually 10-15 seconds off your fastest.

The rabbits are very slow in all of the 3 A-Spec events.

We should have another challenge using only the Tesla Roadster '08, in the Beginners' Level City Trial and see who gets the fasters race time.

 

[photonrider]

The rabbits are very slow in all of the 3 A-Spec events.

Do you think so? I found the Beginner and Intermediate a walk in the park - but the Experts is beginning to look very, very interesting. Took a 500 PP Miura in there, and I'm having all kinds of fun - these rabbits are vicious, quite fast, openly aggressive, cut corners when pushed, try to slam you into the pit barrier, will block you in the corners, lunge into your flank on the straight, and whose slightest tap will send you spinning. There is also considerably noticeable amounts of 'force' applied to the Player's car when the Player's car gets too close to certain cars resulting in sudden loss of steering or brakes - the Miura of course dances around these cars; no car for correcting over-steer so deftly and gracefully as the Miura.
Once again I notice that 'the Brain' doesn't like over-speeding; it is as if one must do under a certain top lap time - or it will do its best to take you out and slow you down to the top of that window. You guys who have won Expert Level awards will know this for sure - one way or the other.
Is anybody getting a lead rabbit sub-8:00? Or lower? And who/what is the AI driver/car?
Also - anybody find out whether it's the Zonda or Ford GT40 that is faster?

If one has to choose one car to ace all these events I'm sure the Miura would make the top of the go-to list. 👍

The Beginners is a great drive through London - I enjoyed it immensely in a variety of cars from 350 PP on - tried the Dino, Alfa GT, Lotus Esprit, Lancer 1600, and so on - still a bunch of cars to fling around London - not tried my all-time 400-500 PP babe, my Mini Cooper yet, there is also many of the Brit cars I want to try out here - the Esprit was a blast!

Just like Calvo started playing games with MTM79, Vitale has started playing games with me. Really pissing me off actually. These new Beginner AI Drivers are not the usual lot - cars are different, too. Vitale seems out of his league - like a Level 40 Driver mixed in with Level 20 Drivers.
Long story - I'll detail it with the graphics later.

The Intermediate was a great ride - so much opportunity here to try out a great bunch of cars, but I did it once, golded and moved on right away because I know I will go back and feast long on it with many, many cars.

We should have another challenge using only the Tesla Roadster '08, in the Beginners' Level City Trial and see who gets the fasters race time.

Challenge accepted! Go for it and I'll post the Time up. You can be sure I'll be taking the Roadster to London; zap through crazy London traffic like greased lightning, and ninja-like, too.
Heck! It even appears in the current Expert AI Line-up at Autumn Ring.
Shocking.
Carbon footprint and all.
Technology . . ..

 

[N0t_L3fty]

Miura is overkill, except for the expert race. The Ford is faster than the Zonda, & more aggressive. Catch them during lap 4 & knock them around some they won't get close to you any more. I like to feed them to the gravel pit as you head up hill towards the start finish for the short track. I bore easily so I abuse the minions. Machine head tucks it's tail between it's legs if you start the fight.

 

[photonrider]

Miura is overkill, except for the expert race.

One must adjust the PP values on the Miura accordingly.

The Ford is faster than the Zonda, & more aggressive.

This was my initial assessment. I don't really see another car appearing that would be faster than the Ford.
Thanks for the input. 👍

 

[N0t_L3fty]

The Honda S800 is more fun on the first 2 races. For abusing machine head the caddy Cien is great, of course you have to choke the poor thing pretty hard. 390 road car at 550PP allows you to abuse machine head too. NSX prototype the list goes on. Then you could just use the the silly GT40, or her sisters. I seem to use 550PP as my maximum as most of my stuff is already there. Not sure where they came up with 580PP, that's just too much for the minions. This appears to be the grinder for the next 2 weeks, so I'm breaking out all the stuff lurking in the dusty corners. RX500 is a blast to drive too.

 

[MTM79]

The question remains - why won't Calvo get on pole when you call for the field?
Are you merely 'retrying' without doing the race and retrying?
Is it the car?

I was trying with the same car over and over again. Most of the races I did skip without even starting. I raced those where Calvo was on second place behind some other fast rabbit, Gaertner, Reilly, etc. I had my hopes up that they would race each other and go faster, but the lead rabbit always kept his pace and Calvo was unable to pass him until lap 4 or 5.. Another thing worth mentioning, I kept my ZZII in good shape in case Calvo would appear on the pole. Meaning that after each race I performed engine overhaul and restored body rigidity.

Is anybody getting a lead rabbit sub-8:00? Or lower? And who/what is the AI driver/car?
Also - anybody find out whether it's the Zonda or Ford GT40 that is faster?

Check out my post #245, way below 8 minutes.

I haven't had much time to try these events yet. I did however have two goes with the beginner race. Went with Corvette Z06 and Impreza 22B, both with max PP, so clear overkills. The AI started to improve it's time! I am making somewhat similar total times and the lead AI's time is dropping in straight line. 3 seconds down now, still a far way to go though... I've had different lead rabbits so it shouldn't make a difference. Seems I must only drive clearly faster and they will start to adapt.

 

[photonrider]

This appears to be the grinder for the next 2 weeks, so I'm breaking out all the stuff lurking in the dusty corners.

I'm trying to find the time to do the same - a good opportunity to use so many of those dust-catchers - just loads of fun driving awaiting our pleasure. That's a good list there - must try them all. 👍

I was trying with the same car over and over again. Most of the races I did skip without even starting. I raced those where Calvo was on second place behind some other fast rabbit, Gaertner, Reilly, etc. I had my hopes up that they would race each other and go faster, but the lead rabbit always kept his pace and Calvo was unable to pass him until lap 4 or 5.

That's the same MO I would have used. So he didn't take the bait anyway.
I have also changed the car when it appears that the field output has fallen into a loop, but sometimes if we run the race faster than the previous one, then the rabbits speed up, too.
There is another weird sub-routine in play - I have noticed that if the Player has a car that belongs to one of the lead rabbits then they pace it so that the race is between the Player and the AI that has that similar car.

Another thing worth mentioning, I kept my ZZII in good shape in case Calvo would appear on the pole. Meaning that after each race I performed engine overhaul and restored body rigidity.

Very smart of you. Yes, retries have an impact on the car's deterioration. If I do the same race, same field, retries (like grinding) after the 3rd or 4th race I can feel a considerable difference in the handling and performance of the car.

Check out my post #245, way below 8 minutes.

Thanks, MTM. 👍

I'm still trying to sort out the last round - tell me if I'm correct on this:

@nowayback has scored best times in all three levels - so, as per the Whoosier Rule, he gets to first pick any title he wishes , right?
This leaves yourself and Vic as possible runners-up?

I haven't had much time to try these events yet. I did however have two goes with the beginner race. Went with Corvette Z06 and Impreza 22B, both with max PP, so clear overkills. The AI started to improve it's time! I am making somewhat similar total times and the lead AI's time is dropping in straight line. 3 seconds down now, still a far way to go though... I've had different lead rabbits so it shouldn't make a difference. Seems I must only drive clearly faster and they will start to adapt.

We have proved it over and over now - the AI are intuitive to a point; they react to us - seems like faster drivers have faster rabbits, slower drivers (especially beginners) breed slower rabbits, and I'm even beginning to think that aggressive drivers breed aggressive rabbits.
Drivers with over-powered cars, that drive off into the distance alone, also breed slower rabbits.

I'm obsessed with being a clean driver - all my races are super clean - and unless I'm engaged in testing out some hypothesis and experimenting with rabbit behaviour I am usually able to race close and still come home without a scratch - guess it's an ego thing.
But, recently I noticed that if one gets aggressive in an event (I had to do this a few times in the 'Hook or by Crook' challenge) the AI seem to 'remember' and goes one of two ways - some AI get awfully timid and back away from you, others get more stubborn, faster and powerful, and hard-to-kill and will actually attack you when threatened.
The more you attack them, the more you will end up facing the wall.

I'd like to kick-start (in addition to hall90s open challenge with the Tesla) a new challenge based on this present round of Online seasonals.

Here's my thinking:
Looking at the skewed PP ranges throughout the series, and the fact that it favors the use of Classic Sports Cars, it is easy to find a classic sports car that, when tweaked up and down the PP range, will be eligible for all three races - a rare occurrence indeed in the series.

With that in mind I propose:

The Classic Sports Car Triple Crown.

Win all three races with the same classic sports car - Miura, Dino, Countach, Esprit, 507 - anything that will be eligible for all three races. . . . Player's choice.

Have the fastest overall timing combining the times of the 3 races to win the Triple Crown

Rabbit times do not matter.
However - we can be sure the faster you go the faster they will.

Remember you have to snag three Timesheets - done any time, as long as it is the same car - or rather the same model since we cannot stop Players from using a differently-specced model of the same car for the different races.

I'm off presently to work on this myself, starting with the Miura, and then moving on to some other classics.

 

[nowayback]

@photonrider Supercar Sorcerer ? Think I put the most work in that one . If that is one of the choices, thats what I would like ty. Thanks to MTM79 for pushing me, he did a great job.

 

[photonrider]

Still trying to avoid the herd and get to my console . . .

Thanks, @nowayback for the prompt reply - yeah, I agree, that would be a fine choice, and you did earn it.
The battles you had with both MTM and Vic were great to watch and I think many of us are glad that we have such close competition, milliseconds between winners and runners-up more often than not.
Huge information about many aspects of the game comes to light, too, in this amazingly cheap simulator.
And I'm really glad there's a game built in here.
No missiles on the Lotus, though.

So that leaves Vic and MTM to sort out the balance?

I have to get many of the Awards hung officially in the Wall of Fame - shall do so this weekend.
I also want to add more stuff into posts#3 and #4 about B-Spec Bob and his evolution and so on.
Meanwhile as soon as this round is clarified and titled I'll post the results in here as a separate post. I have already captured nowayback's Sorceror time.

Meanwhile two open challenges to work on - The Triple Crown and hall90's 'Tesla Rules!' Challenge.

@hall90 - give me some more details of how you'd like to present this challenge.
Fastest Tesla winning time at Autumn Ring? Anything else?

I'm raring to go at the Triple Crown - I shall work from the beginners up - capture a good time, and move on, and so on. What car, what car?

Good Luck Players!

Have a blast driving those babies!

 

[Vic Reign93]

I only did the Electric Ninja challenge @photonrider so I'll happliy claim that event.

I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the open challenges, especially the Classic Triple Crown, that's definitely going to be the most contested. 👍

 

[photonrider]

Oh! By me, too - except my aggregate time would probably have a minute on top of the Experts' scoreboards. Will be a very interesting result to see though - you guys have the skills to always get the best out of our tests.

Gotcha on the Award selection, so the Raindancer is also the Electric Ninja - even though the two might not mix except as thunder and lightning.

 

[MTM79]

I was only taking part in the supercar sorcerer, so no trophy for me this time. Pity I didn't post my Mazda Roadster sheet, I think it would have been enough..

Off to the Classic Triple Crown. Someone has to be first.





I think they add up to a total of 21:49.781.

 

[nowayback]

Maybe people can post their best laps also ? Nice point of reference for others to know after a lap or 2 whether its worth to continue with a Car or not.

 

[CBH]

@hall90 - give me some more details of how you'd like to present this challenge.
Fastest Tesla winning time at Autumn Ring? Anything else?

Use only the Tesla Roadster '08 in the Beginners' Level City Trial, and see who can get the fastest race time for that event.
Hey photonrider what are you thoughts on you choosing a type of car we should use for the other events and in the future as well and see who come up with the fastest race time for that event. This is just an 💡.

 

[DisabledRacer]

I was only taking part in the supercar sorcerer, so no trophy for me this time. Pity I didn't post my Mazda Roadster sheet, I think it would have been enough..

Off to the Classic Triple Crown. Someone has to be first.

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I think they add up to a total of 21:49.781.

Are you on steroids or something? Every time I see your times, I think of throwing myself and my PS3 out the window! All joking aside, nice job again.

 

[photonrider]

Use only the Tesla Roadster '08 in the Beginners' Level City Trial, and see who can get the fastest race time for that event.

Okay - let me have a Timesheet and I'll post that challenge up - if not I'll be grinding one out soon. 👍

I was only taking part in the supercar sorcerer, so no trophy for me this time. Pity I didn't post my Mazda Roadster sheet, I think it would have been enough.

So croozer for the Intermediate Award?

Off to the Classic Triple Crown. Someone has to be first.

I think they add up to a total of 21:49.781.

Just came off after throwing the Miura around the three races - a total of 23:37:437 - two mins off your time.
Have to go back and shave off lots.
GT40, huh?
Hm.

I have to admit I only gave the Intermediate one shot - the others were raced three times each. Also no nos, and running ABS 1, TC 1, so I may have a few aces up my sleeve.

Which won't be worth a damn as soon as the rest of you Experts wake up and smell the roses.

 

[nowcontrol]

I have a combined time in the Miura @ stock for all three races of 22:54.538 [I think I added it up correctly] .. I might just have to run it tuned at max PP to see if I can snatch that extra minute or so that would beat @MTM79

If I can't beat his time in the Miura maybe i'll try the GT40 too.

 

[nowayback]

Use only the Tesla Roadster '08 in the Beginners' Level City Trial, and see who can get the fastest race time for that event.
Hey photonrider what are you thoughts on you choosing a type of car we should use for the other events and in the future as well and see who come up with the fastest race time for that event. This is just an 💡.

I find London to be such an interesting track for tuning, so many possibilities for cars. But what ever you choose fine

 

[CBH]

Still working on the suspension for this one.

 

[Ed_Night]

Maybe people can post their best laps also ? Nice point of reference for others to know after a lap or 2 whether its worth to continue with a Car or not.

London - Miura (550pp): 53,9xx

Silverstone - Miura (530pp): 2:10,6xx

Autumn Ring - Miura (550pp): 1:20,7xx


Only did 2 races on each track, so there is room for improvement. Combined time: 21:48,560

 

[nowayback]

Only did 2 races on each track, so there is room for improvement. Combined time: 21:48,560

I think you should be allowed only 2 races on each track , to make it fair for us .

 

[MTM79]

Maybe people can post their best laps also ? Nice point of reference for others to know after a lap or 2 whether its worth to continue with a Car or not.

I'd say I did with the GT40 something like 54.3 in London, 2:10.x in Silverstone and 1:19.x at Autumn Ring. They were my first runs so I can see several places where to cut some time off.

I'll see how much I can shave off tonight.