GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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Ok I've looked thorough the posts here in this thread and saw no mention of what I found, and it's sort of enlightening Good news of some sort...
There is penalties for COLLISIONS and ramming in the daily races, and I found video proof.
This is in Tidgney's third stream YT of his GT7 run through, and he is in Daily Race A, time stamp on the specific scene starts at:
4H 19M 00S
Link to video :

You will see a driver ahead of Tidgney ram someone else and get a penalty for it, 3.5 second penalty in total...
Penalty system is NOT broken completely.
 
Rodelero
The thing is what's going on here isn't merely tuning, it's upgrading/downgrading + tuning. If it was taking a car and tweaking a few settings here and there to optimise that's one thing. But when you introduce the car part upgrading that opens a giant can of worms and it will always lead to what we've seen with Daily Race B. Out of hundreds of cars that can meet the race restrictions only a few are viable and one is on another plane entirely. We're not talking about differences of tenths here. An average car upgraded and tuned to have 285BHP/1200KG is probably fifteen seconds slower a lap than the cars at the top.

I suspect that Gran Turismo will start using PP to restrict these races most of the time. That will be a lot better but anyone that has played Forza online will know that PI doesn't really achieve its aims. The system over and underestimates cars, and from track to track there is a ton of variance that can mean your X PI/PP car is nowhere near as good as someone else's X PI car. Also the variance in strengths and weaknesses of the cars at a given PI/PP rarely leads to good, close racing.

BoP is the least bad solution to balancing cars in an online race by far. And what's really annoying is that it would be quite easy for them to make it a lot better. BoP could be done on a track-by-track basis. It could even automatically adjust based on big data accumulated from people playing the game. Sadly Polyphony seems to have completely taken their eye of the ball with Sport Mode.
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I read that in forza you can copy and paste tunes from the leaderboard cars. If they at least allowed that I’d know I was slower because I’m slower. Right now I’ve no idea if it’s me or the car. (It’s probably me). Of course the trouble with that is you’d end up with one car races. People always say they’re trying to add variety with tuning because BoP had metas; well I think they’ve added tuning to push MTX, but also they could have focused their attention on refining the GTS BoP system by track so more cars could be viable. I mean they’ve had years to sort this out.
 
Welp. I took my R33 Skyline (295HP) into DRB thinking I could compete with a 1:49:50 QR time. Little did I know the top Qs are 15 seconds faster. I started and stayed in 15th the entire race.

I guess I need to find some competitive tunes 🤣
 
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Oh thank god a bop race and if it stays with a similar format going forward with 2 tune and 1 bop race I will be more than happy. Time to do some testing with my Lexus to see how much the 7x fuel & 15x tyres will be a factor.

Edit:. Fuel is going to a factor and it will need fuel management or a pit stop (can't see anything about a mandatory pitstop though.) Tyres not so much of an issue with racing hard. No rain on for the Daytona circuit so no need to worry about a wet race. Does seem like you can't adjust break balance either as someone said earlier in thread.
 
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BalsBrother
Oh thank god a bop race and if it stays with a similar format going forward with 2 tune and 1 bop race I will be more than happy. Time to do some testing with my Lexus to see how much the 7x fuel & 15x tyres will be a factor.

Edit:. Fuel is going to a factor and it will need fuel management or a pit stop (can't see anything about a mandatory pitstop though.) Tyres not so much of an issue with racing hard. No rain on for the Daytona circuit so no need to worry about a wet race. Does seem like you can't adjust break balance either as someone said earlier in thread.
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Lexus is currently my gr3 or choice. Interested to hear your findings. Bloody hope the stupid made up cars don’t dominate. They should ban them from online.
 
kiroquai
New Race C has appeared - BoP Group 3 at Daytona Road Course, 10 laps. Entry open tomorrow, qualifying open now.

Seems a lot more like the kind of event folks want from Sport mode :)
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Think I'm going to try running with the Ford GT Race Car '18 for this race then after that I'll be checking out the go to cars.

Either way I'm excited to see a BoP race.
 
RacerindiNa
Wet tires are an option. Maybe dynamic weather will be on too.
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Nope there is no rain at Daytona. Dynamic weather is only available on certain tracks and Daytona isn't one of them or at least it's not an option we can set in a custom race which is supposed to give us all the things available on each track.
 
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It'll take time getting used to the system of gt7. But there's always workarounds and strategies you can use to master each race/challenge. Did they add the Daytona road course or not?
 
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NikNakTobasco
Lexus is currently my gr3 or choice. Interested to hear your findings. Bloody hope the stupid made up cars don’t dominate. They should ban them from online.
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Tyres are not a problem. From my testing the Lexus can no stop it with fuel management but that means you are not lapping as fast or certainly not matching the times of fastest qualifying times, about 5 seconds off with my driving. Not tried running hot fuel and pitstop yet will try that this evening to see if that is faster over full race distance.

It's hard to say if that will balance out over a full race without seeing what others do and whether folks will run hot on fuel then do a pit stop to top up or try to no stop it with fuel management. Certainly don't put too much stock in the qualifying times this is a fuel race. They won't be doing that for 10 laps unless the VW VGT can run on air or hopes and wishes or is just op in the BoP.

I don't have the credits to buy a bunch of GR3 cars so I can't really do any comparison with others cars myself over full race distance. Monday will be interesting.
 
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NikNakTobasco
Unfortunately not.

Too 10 times are this car already. Bit disappointing but guess we’ll have to use it
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I hope that is an oversight that can be rectified.

I don't have the VW VGT but I have the Porsche, the Corvette, the Jaguar, and the V12 Vantage. You would think that would be enough.
 
Well this sounds like what people have been asking for (I haven't played a GT since "2" so am not across what people are used to from Sport), so this is good!
Just need to work out where to get a group 3 car now 🤔
 
I'm not really a fan of the tuning stuff in Sports mode...
I don't have the knowledge, the time or even the interest to get into tuning, so I'd be relying on tunes I find online.
I found a decent one for the R33 Skyline for Daily Race B (https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daily-race-b-deep-forest-raceway-r33-gt-r-1-36-906.405385/) and with that I'm quite competitive.
You'll still be beaten easily by drivers who can actually corner the Peugeout VGT, but otherwise fine.
Even managed my first win in GT7 Sports mode:


Let's hope they get the BoP somewhat decent. Otherwise it will mostly be one-make races.
 
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By looking at the Daily regulations it seems that the combo of tuning forbidden + setup allowed is not possible. I only see tuning + setup or BoP + no setup. All on, or all off. That's a shame. I was hoping for Manufacturers Series it would be BoP but with setting sheets enabled, like it was in the Road to GT7 championship. Being able to do setups in that championship allowed me to reduce the deficit in my WRX. I did well in both the Gr 4 and Gr 3 races because I was able to make up for the power deficiency through the setup. With BoP on and no setup allowed it looks like we're back to meta cars.

It seems that the setup sheets are tied to the PP system so that would explain why they can't be used with BoP activated.
 
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Pfei
By looking at the Daily regulations it seems that the combo of tuning forbidden + setup allowed is not possible. I only see tuning + setup or BoP + no setup. All on, or all off. That's a shame. I was hoping for Manufacturers Series it would be BoP but with setting sheets enabled, like it was in the Road to GT7 championship. Being able to do setups in that championship allowed me to reduce the deficit in my WRX. I did well in both the Gr 4 and Gr 3 races because I was able to make up for the power deficiency through the setup. With BoP on and no setup allowed it looks like we're back to meta cars.

It seems that the setup sheets are tied to the PP system so that would explain why they can't be used with BoP activated.
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It's also the case in lobbies and offline custom races. In lobbies, even though I set BoP + tuning, it's not really enabled. It let's you change things but it doesn't do anything to the car. Hopefully a bug they can fix and then we'll see BoP + tuning.

BigSarj
I hope that is an oversight that can be rectified.

I don't have the VW VGT but I have the Porsche, the Corvette, the Jaguar, and the V12 Vantage. You would think that would be enough.
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How exactly is it an oversight if tuning is disabled?
 
Shottah072
How is the #1 mclaren 650 doing 291kph when mine struggling to hit 270kph. I can hear he has a turbo on there what the hell ??
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Someone in Kireth's stream said Blu Racer changed car and it somehow let him into quali with upgrades. Not sure how to replicate it but it has dulled my hype.
 
TayTheDay
Someone in Kireth's stream said Blu Racer changed car and it somehow let him into quali with upgrades. Not sure how to replicate it but it has dulled my hype.
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Yeah its pretty obvious he was able to use upgrades in qualy. Even with scrappy driving he is way faster. Hope PD gonna do something about this.
 
Shottah072
Yeah its pretty obvious he was able to use upgrades in qualy. Even with scrappy driving he is way faster. Hope PD gonna do something about this.
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What PD should do is ban / suspend drivers who abuse / cheat / break rules.
If it really obvious that this driver violated the BoP settings, then disqualify him from the race as a minimum penalty.
 
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jrbabbitt
What PD should do is ban / suspend drivers who abuse / cheat / break rules.
If it really obvious that this driver violated the BoP settings, then disqualify him from the race as a minimum penalty.
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Well maybe the game just broke and they didnt do it on purpose. I dont think they should ban if that were the case but they should fix that and delete those times.
 

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