GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Roggers]

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to walk away from GT7. Race B, final lap, final turn. Dude divebombs into me on purpose at a sharp turn because he hadnt been able to keep up all race. Knocks me from 1st to 3rd, and he doesnt even get penalized! Just ridiculous

Things like that need to be punished with a penalty. Looks like they made zero attempt to stop and knew exactly what they were doing.
Stuff like that needs sending to PD to show them the new penalty system doesn’t work.

 

[Milouse]

I'm still in the top split though, still not really racing anyone, following until they crash or get pulled back by a penalty. It seems people on ps5 crash more and also more quitters. Matchmaking is also more spread out on ps5, I guess bigger player base on ps4.

I didn't even know that PS4 and PS5 players are separated.

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to walk away from GT7. Race B, final lap, final turn. Dude divebombs into me on purpose at a sharp turn because he hadnt been able to keep up all race. Knocks me from 1st to 3rd, and he doesnt even get penalized! Just ridiculous

Unusual turn to get rammed into on this track. It was its last chance indeed.

I'm just curious: did you notice that i changed the scale of the graph yesterday? (it used to be 0-100,000)

 

[Mercia]

Worth checking your TCS when starting a new session, mine keeps getting reset a lot lately.

 

[Bullwinkle]

This isn't a complaint as much as an observation, and I can't figure it out. I drive faster (but looser) in the Mustang than I do the Nismo, but the stats all show that the Nismo is better in nearly every measurable category (HP, torque, stability) except acceleration. How is this possible? How can a car that has less power and torque have better acceleration and a faster lap time (for me)? I noticed that the gear ratio seems different: is that enough to account for it?

 

[Leon Kowalski]

This isn't a complaint as much as an observation, and I can't figure it out. I drive faster (but looser) in the Mustang than I do the Nismo, but the stats all show that the Nismo is better in nearly every measurable category (HP, torque, stability) except acceleration. How is this possible? How can a car that has less power and torque have better acceleration and a faster lap time (for me)? I noticed that the gear ratio seems different: is that enough to account for it?

What about the car's weight?

 

[RacingGrandpa]

This isn't a complaint as much as an observation, and I can't figure it out. I drive faster (but looser) in the Mustang than I do the Nismo, but the stats all show that the Nismo is better in nearly every measurable category (HP, torque, stability) except acceleration. How is this possible? How can a car that has less power and torque have better acceleration and a faster lap time (for me)? I noticed that the gear ratio seems different: is that enough to account for it?

Weight maybe?



Edit: last call for this, we could use a few more. Good clean, hard racing can be expected

TPC present the Alfa Romeo MITO Malpractice

Welcome to a first trial run for a MITO cup. When? Saturday July second at BST 23:00, lobby will open at 22:30 BST. What? Alfa Romeo MITO one make run. Where? Lago Maggiore West End. How? 35 laps, one mandatory pit stop. This is a trial run to see if it will become a series. Interested...

www.gtplanet.net

 

[Bullwinkle]

What about the car's weight?

Weight maybe?

Edit: last call for this, we could use a few more. Good clean, hard racing can be expected

TPC present the Alfa Romeo MITO Malpractice

Welcome to a first trial run for a MITO cup. When? Saturday July second at BST 23:00, lobby will open at 22:30 BST. What? Alfa Romeo MITO one make run. Where? Lago Maggiore West End. How? 35 laps, one mandatory pit stop. This is a trial run to see if it will become a series. Interested...

www.gtplanet.net

I forgot to add: their weight is identical. I can’t figure this out.

 

[sturk0167]

This is the kind of thing that makes me want to walk away from GT7. Race B, final lap, final turn. Dude divebombs into me on purpose at a sharp turn because he hadnt been able to keep up all race. Knocks me from 1st to 3rd, and he doesnt even get penalized! Just ridiculous

I think if all 4 of your tires had gone outside of the white line, he would have been likely to be penalized.
I know it sucks, but it's your best chance to make the dirty drivers pay for their deeds.

 

[Devdude]

I thought that might be the case, although I’ve never used a controller. It’s some thing to note when people say wheel users have an unfair advantage

This is soo true, i been using wheel for almost a month & i can tell you that it is controller that has better control especially in bumps from cars and rain, i run sarthe alot for $ and when i was using controller and no assists, i could fly in rain and not spin etc, but on G29 wheel, i even think of flooring it on curves in rain, i am spinning or losing control and off road

 

[D_Dragline]

This isn't a complaint as much as an observation, and I can't figure it out. I drive faster (but looser) in the Mustang than I do the Nismo, but the stats all show that the Nismo is better in nearly every measurable category (HP, torque, stability) except acceleration. How is this possible? How can a car that has less power and torque have better acceleration and a faster lap time (for me)? I noticed that the gear ratio seems different: is that enough to account for it?

I don’t know for sure, but;

Acceleration will likely be due to gear ratio, rear downforce and torque curves.

Lap times are much less likely to be about raw numbers and more about the way car characteristics interact with your driving style.

 

[Roggers]

This isn't a complaint as much as an observation, and I can't figure it out. I drive faster (but looser) in the Mustang than I do the Nismo, but the stats all show that the Nismo is better in nearly every measurable category (HP, torque, stability) except acceleration. How is this possible? How can a car that has less power and torque have better acceleration and a faster lap time (for me)? I noticed that the gear ratio seems different: is that enough to account for it?

Totally understand where your coming from with this. Daily C I’ve been doing some quali laps in serval cars and I’m quicker in the Hyundai and AMG than I am in M6 or Genesis. I don’t know the stats difference between all 4 cars but I think a lot has to do with how you drive the car and if it suits your driving style, rather than the mechanics of the car.
I keep telling myself I will keep practicing with other cars but come race time I just use the car I’m more comfortable with.

 

[xMAXIx79]

This isn't a complaint as much as an observation, and I can't figure it out. I drive faster (but looser) in the Mustang than I do the Nismo, but the stats all show that the Nismo is better in nearly every measurable category (HP, torque, stability) except acceleration. How is this possible? How can a car that has less power and torque have better acceleration and a faster lap time (for me)? I noticed that the gear ratio seems different: is that enough to account for it?

Lots of questions.. and lots of reasons that can make them so.

• Did you compare the performance of the cars in the base setup or under BoP?
• Did you compare the torque of the cars in base setup or under BoP?
• Did you compare the weight of the cars in the base setup or under BoP?
• What is the gear ratio for the respective vehicles.
• How is the power and torque curve under BoP?
• How much downforce do the cars have under BoP?
• How well do the brakes work?

All questions that can justify huge differences.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I didn't even know that PS4 and PS5 players are separated.


I'm just curious: did you notice that i changed the scale of the graph yesterday? (it used to be 0-100,000)

PS4 and PS5 are separated in daily races, combined in championships and regular lobbies.

I play on both and so far it feels like there are more people playing on ps4, less spread in DR in matchmaking and generally more A+ in the top split. PS4 takes longer to load of course. I get 5 bars on the server on ps4, max 3 on ps5. The PS4 server sometimes hangs at the start or the warm-up takes forever then drops one or more players before the race starts. PS5 sometimes gives me the dreaded disconnect during the race for no reason.

I saw the change, the bump got more steep, looks better this way

 

[bone_tone]

Totally understand where your coming from with this. Daily C I’ve been doing some quali laps in serval cars and I’m quicker in the Hyundai and AMG than I am in M6 or Genesis. I don’t know the stats difference between all 4 cars but I think a lot has to do with how you drive the car and if it suits your driving style, rather than the mechanics of the car.
I keep telling myself I will keep practicing with other cars but come race time I just use the car I’m more comfortable with.

It's a similar confusion to the issue I've carried forward from GTSport, where I was faster on RM tyres than RS in races where both were required. Guess what, Race C this week, fastest lap in each race has been on RM tyres (and no, it's nothing to do with fuel levels, as I've been running RM tyres for the first half of each race)! 🤔

 

[Bullwinkle]

Lots of questions.. and lots of reasons that can make them so.

• Did you compare the performance of the cars in the base setup or under BoP?
• Did you compare the torque of the cars in base setup or under BoP?
• Did you compare the weight of the cars in the base setup or under BoP?
• What is the gear ratio for the respective vehicles.
• How is the power and torque curve under BoP?
• How much downforce do the cars have under BoP?
• How well do the brakes work?

All questions that can justify huge differences.

To be fair, I’m using the updated numbers from GT Eng!ne for my comparisons, but I have no reason to doubt them. I haven’t compared the power and torque curves, and I don’t know the aero settings, so those may be driving the differences.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I forgot to add: their weight is identical. I can’t figure this out.

In that case the torque curve looks different and so does the HP curve. The faster car probably has a much more flat curve.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Just checked in for a Daily race A to see how is it going. I was put into a lobby with mostly DR A drivers again, and it went as expected.

Started from P8, was able to squeeze through the first corner chaos and found myself in P5 chasing the pack of the four leaders. Three laps went by where I could keep a gap of one second to P6. Then the usual plot unfolded: I got overtaken three times, every single time by a driver deliberately using my boot to brake before a hairpin and catapult me off track (and no, I didn't brake early). Not even "leaning" into me, just divebombing. The exact same move, every time, by three different drivers. I won't elaborate about the fact that they all were from the same country, because this is surely incidental *cough. Of course no penalties for anyone (are there penalties at all in race A?) I ended up last, P9.

Not that it mattered much, but I just don't understand the motivation behind this. What is the point, what is the satisfaction in ending a race in P7 instead of P8 (especially if there isn't even any rating improvement to be had), if you can't earn it by better driving but only by wrecking other players race? I just don't get it.

 

[Milouse]

I play on both and so far it feels like there are more people playing on ps4

A quarter of players who posted at least a profile picture on Kudosprime Sport Tracker provided a non-4K, hence non-Pro PS4 screenshot.
I don't think i can make a difference between PS4 Pro and PS5 UI captures. Do you remember the day you switched?

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Just checked in for a Daily race A to see how is it going. I was put into a lobby with mostly DR A drivers again, and it went as expected.

Started from P8, was able to squeeze through the first corner chaos and found myself in P5 chasing the pack of the four leaders. Three laps went by where I could keep a gap of one second to P6. Then the usual plot unfolded: I got overtaken three times, every single time by a driver deliberately using my boot to brake before a hairpin and catapult me off track (and no, I didn't brake early). Not even "leaning" into me, just divebombing. The exact same move, every time, by three different drivers. I won't elaborate about the fact that they all were from the same country, because this is surely incidental *cough. Of course no penalties for anyone (are there penalties at all in race A?) I ended up last, P9.

Not that it mattered much, but I just don't understand the motivation behind this. What is the point, what is the satisfaction in ending a race in P7 instead of P8 (especially if there isn't even any rating improvement to be had), if you can't earn it by better driving but only by wrecking other players race? I just don't get it.

I think they believe they are in the right. They probably have no clue about cars at all, to them it's just a game and if you aren't penalised it's OK. Fair play isn't in their vocabulary, they simply don't get it.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

The week long qualifying is really putting me off lately. Unless I can set top 200 in the world times I’m starting bottom half. Be nice to have some variety with the starting position so the races can feel a little more dynamic even if it’s the same track.

 

[Milouse]

I think they believe they are in the right. They probably have no clue about cars at all, to them it's just a game and if you aren't penalised it's OK. Fair play isn't in their vocabulary, they simply don't get it.

I convince myself they are just kids, it helps to tolerate those behavior. Also, identify and avoid can be considered a legitimate part of the challenge. Anyway, it shouldn't happen from SR S driver (i saw two of them revenge-divebomb - wrong players hit in both cases - this week)

 

[Mercia]

Anyway, it shouldn't happen from SR S driver

Sure, if the system worked.

I checked another dirty driver today, 6 clean races out of 111 total - SR S.

Makes no sense.

 

[ornery]

Another day, another punt in DR B. Same turn as my other video with the same result, I lose a place and the punter doesnt even get penalized. This is a joke


Edit: @sturk0167 check this out. Same situation at the same turn. All 4 of my tires leave the track and he isn't penalized

 

[Artremis]

Sure, if the system worked.

I checked another dirty driver today, 6 clean races out of 111 total - SR S.

Makes no sense.

The system is just too easily exploitable. A few races at the back avoiding the carnage in front and you'll rank up quick, they need to figure out how to limit it (iirc in ACC your safety rating only increases if you're driving close to other cars, but could be wrong on that)

 

[Milouse]

Sure, if the system worked.

I checked another dirty driver today, 6 clean races out of 111 total - SR S.

Makes no sense.

I have 17 out of 73. I'm not sure what count "clean". I played mostly "ratingless" Daily A races

 

[bone_tone]

The week long qualifying is really putting me off lately. Unless I can set top 200 in the world times I’m starting bottom half. Be nice to have some variety with the starting position so the races can feel a little more dynamic even if it’s the same track.

Spare a thought for those of us whose QT is usually about position 6,000 - having said that it hasn't stopped me having some great fun at Watkins Glen this week 🙂

 

[Talon16]

Got a win on my A account by the closest margin yet: .178". Did some pre-race quali laps and knocked ~.200" off my time which had me starting second. The first four laps of the race were the top three of us within 1.0-1.5" of each other, with me sandwiched in the middle (in my BumbleBeeMW livery). At this point I decided I needed to do something different than P1 (Ford GT) so I pitted to go for the undercut. Put the M tires on and off I went. Thankfully I didn't come out in traffic.

The Ford pit at the end of lap five and when he came out we were side-by-side. I had a little more speed at that point and was able to take the lead. Finally outside of the dirty air I was able to put in some decent laps on the M tires getting ~1.0-1.5" lead. But as we went into lap nine my tires were hurting and I was making minor mistakes allowing the Ford to get within ~.500" on the last lap. Was able to hold my own and even though he was right on my bumper going into the last turn, he didn't do anything crazy/stupid (kudos to him, you never know!) and I barely had a car's length as we crossed. Had it been one more lap, I'd have been in real trouble.

Getting wins on this account come few and far between (other than that Daytona 787B race), makes them feel extra good.

First four laps:

Lap six:

Lap 10:

 

[Sven Jurgens]

A quarter of players who posted at least a profile picture on Kudosprime Sport Tracker provided a non-4K, hence non-Pro PS4 screenshot.
I don't think i can make a difference between PS4 Pro and PS5 UI captures. Do you remember the day you switched?

I raced on ps5 on July 1st. Not 100% sure about #81 (midnight race June 30th) but 82 to 86 are definitely ps5 captures.
The rest is ps4 pro and more incoming today are also ps4 pro again.

That clean races count is rather meaningless. It just shows how many times you got the (buggy) clean race bonus. It depends on the track how easy it is to lose the bonus. A wall touch or a going over an invisible track limit can already negate the bonus.

@ornery He hit the side of your car, that's not penalized at all anymore. Only front to back contact where one goes off triggers a penalty.

 

[Machinist757]

A+ getting matched up with D drivers in race A lol

 

[Bullwinkle]

The system is just too easily exploitable. A few races at the back avoiding the carnage in front and you'll rank up quick, they need to figure out how to limit it (iirc in ACC your safety rating only increases if you're driving close to other cars, but could be wrong on that)

I’m pretty sure that’s how I suddenly ended up a C driver and racing in B/C lobbies. I’m not ready for that, but I was starting last and gaining 8 or more spots every race, so they bumped me up.