GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Leon Kowalski]

That's really interesting as I found bumper cam a bit less accurate to judge car width, hence why I use roof.

I use the roof cam for the same reason. I just wished it would have a rear view mirror.

Well, actually, maybe not. Being able to see who's coming at me, it would scare the hell out of me, probably.😬

 

[Mercia]

How do people drive through the COD at 120mph?

There's a shadow on your approach

As you hit, begin to line up your line through the CoD. I'd typically lift here a touch in race and can still carry 120 through it, people reckon you can go flat but I've not managed it in qualy myself without at least being unstable on exit and having to get the car planted again.

With dynamic weather etc. being a myth the shadow won't move so don't worry about it haha.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

DR points, which I believe this is @Sven Jurgens domain.
If I gain positions by someone quitting ahead of me do I still gain DR points?
And lastly, if I gain 4 positions in a race, I gain those DR points, but then finish 9th/16th do I lose some DR points aswell for not been in the top half?

Only finishing position counts. Nothing that happens during the race has any influence on DR calculations. If someone quits ahead of you, they finish behind you, so you get DR points from that driver (if you do finish)

GT7 Daily Race Discussion

I’m really enjoying Race C this week. Yes, there’s no strategy required and, yes, they’re mostly one make races, but it’s such a fun track to drive and so rewarding when you get it right. I finally managed to break into the 1:17s in qualifying which has ensured I’m racing at the pointy end...

www.gtplanet.net

 

[Bullwinkle]

I use bumper cam. I used to use hood but switched a couple of weeks after gt7. I found I was quicker with judging apexes and turning points. Took me a while in race to get used to the limited view when in close traffic but every view has its compromises.
I’ve never used a controller but I know there’s plenty of quick drivers that do, and I know for a fact that many in that race yesterday were on a controller so it’s definitely possible.

That's really interesting as I found bumper cam a bit less accurate to judge car width, hence why I use roof.

I can see that if you get used to bumper cam it could be great since you've got better visibility, so might practice a bit!

Also, you drove well. Just a tiny, split second mistake which everyone does plenty of times 🙂

Although I like the hood view I ended out switching to bumper cam for good simply because it has the only useable rearview mirror in the game! I'd love other views if I could get a good view of what's coming behind me. The radar is too close proximity; I like to see who's coming up and where they are.

Only finishing position counts. Nothing that happens during the race has any influence on DR calculations. If someone quits ahead of you, they finish behind you, so you get DR points from that driver (if you do finish)

GT7 Daily Race Discussion

I’m really enjoying Race C this week. Yes, there’s no strategy required and, yes, they’re mostly one make races, but it’s such a fun track to drive and so rewarding when you get it right. I finally managed to break into the 1:17s in qualifying which has ensured I’m racing at the pointy end...

www.gtplanet.net

I have another question about DR points: If I am matched into a lobby with someone I absolutely DO NOT want to race with, can I bail from the lobby before the race starts without penalty, or do I end out eating the points anyway? It's probably worth it in the end just to avoid "that guy!"

 

[NikNakTobasco]

If I am matched into a lobby with someone I absolutely DO NOT want to race with, can I bail from the lobby before the race starts without penalty

That’ll count as a quit and you’ll lose SR and DR. Best to try and get through the race and stay out their way.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the helicopters during a race are aggressively trying to distract us by dipping and swooping into our field of vision at critical times?! Even their shadows are screwing with me at times and it's pretty consistent, so it feels like it's intentional. Am I just being paranoid?

And just because I'm paranoid does not mean they're not screwing with me . . .

 

[Artremis]

Didn't jump into the dailies till yesterday where sadly I found out they were actually really fun this week. Race B was a disaster because every single race I would just have a really dumb accident or two and you don't really have any time to make it up in a 5 lap race so my DR cratered. Thankfully Race C went much better and managed to win a couple times plus a bunch of top 5 finishes to bring my DR back where it was.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the helicopters during a race are aggressively trying to distract us by dipping and swooping into our field of vision at critical times?! Even their shadows are screwing with me at times and it's pretty consistent, so it feels like it's intentional. Am I just being paranoid?

And just because I'm paranoid does not mean they're not screwing with me . . .

FWIW I never noticed the helicopters before until race C this week where for whatever reason it would always appear in the first sector, definitely caught me off guard a few times.

 

[O604]

I tried to get a low shot of a helicopter on DTS. This was the lowest I got.

 

[Mercia]

Is it just me, or does it seem like the helicopters during a race are aggressively trying to distract us by dipping and swooping into our field of vision at critical times?! Even their shadows are screwing with me at times and it's pretty consistent, so it feels like it's intentional. Am I just being paranoid?

And just because I'm paranoid does not mean they're not screwing with me . . .

They do get a bit low!

 

[xMAXIx79]

Thanks for this video 👍🏻 Some good fair but hard racing. I’ve been trying to learn how to drive GTR car from it.

How do people drive through the COD at 120mph?
Been struggling with GR4 cars so spent some time practicing (2/3 hours) with a mix of cars and especially the GTR. Fastest lap I’ve done is 1.48.2 in the GTR but lapped in the Aston Martin a 1.47.6 which I would say is about where my talent limit is (normally I’m about 3 seconds off the top times). Did a race in Aston Martin and i was pretty much getting out done for pace by the 155s and GTRs. Started P12 and finished P8 only due to two quitting and two who eithe saw the COD or spun somewhere else.

Took some tips of @xMAXIx79 on how to drive the GTR, but not sure they worked? Bit late in the day for this but these are my laps I’ve done today. The GTR is the car I want to improve on so I’m at least able to compete near the top of the race. GTR lap starts at 2mins if you don’t want to watch the full videos. Any tips on what I’m doing wrong with this car would be helpful. Thanks.




DR points, which I believe this is @Sven Jurgens domain.
If I gain positions by someone quitting ahead of me do I still gain DR points?
And lastly, if I gain 4 positions in a race, I gain those DR points, but then finish 9th/16th do I lose some DR points aswell for not been in the top half?

I'm certainly still a long way from the really fast drivers here, but I'm happy to try to share with you what I noticed and what I would do differently... at the same time my thoughts/suppositions on your problems.
btw Unfortunately I haven't uploaded my fastest Q times yet, but my 1.45.7xx should be enough to show a few things.
By the way, like me, you drive with AT, so we need different braking points and sometimes slightly different lines than the MT drivers.

So what I noticed:

Turn 1 too late and then braked too hard for too long...brake a little early and then reduce braking effort. Keyword "trail brake"

The rise to turns 2-3 and following was too slow through curve 1.. which is logical.

Turn 5 (the first hard corner) Braking point was ok.. but steered too hard into the corner too early, so you can accelerate later and your exit is too slow. First sector times under 36 seconds should be achievable...

Dan increase in S2 so the double S. NEVER let off the gas.. it works and must be taken flat.. here a short lift and you lose 0.3 to 0.5 seconds playing.
Furthermore, use a little less steering angle, your tires are whining/whining.. That means your steering angle is too high.. your traction is decreasing.. you can hardly build up any speed.. this makes your exit on the mountain too slow.

CoD is clear... should go flat.. if you don't dare.. NEVER 100% lift from the gas pedal.. and be more careful with the steering...

 

[Cabelmania]

This was a really fun battle for the win earlier today, side by side for almost an entire lap with the Hyundai:

Oh, I wonder who is driving the Hyundai; It seems like a cool and wonderful guy

And maybe it's not the only race of that kind "wink wink"

 

[NikNakTobasco]

CoD is clear... should go flat.. if you don't dare.. NEVER 100% lift from the gas pedal.. and be more careful with the steering

Do you go flat in race? I always let off in race.

 

[xMAXIx79]

Do you go flat in race? I always let off in race.

If i'm not on dirty Air yes

 

[NikNakTobasco]

If i'm not on dirty Air yes

You’re braver than I am

 

[xMAXIx79]

You’re braver than I am

No risk no... YES 2 A+Drivers on one Week... 🤣🤣🤣😇😇😇😇

 

[NikNakTobasco]

No risk no... YES 2 A+Drivers on one Week... 🤣🤣🤣😇😇😇😇

Such a shame you’re not on ps5. 🙁

 

[Nagaremono]

I think you're overselling the difficulty of a controller a bit lol (or underselling the difficulty of a wheel).

They're both as hard as eachother, both in terms of control and pace. You keep putting yourself down for being on a controller but trust me man, with a game like GT you're hardly experiencing a handicap at all, the only downsides I'd say come from managing tyre wear.

These types of races are possible, and very common, with a gamepad. You don't have to put any more hours into the game to find them than you would using a wheel.

I kind of agree, but how many top drivers don’t use wheels? Gallo, Miyazono? Why would anyone invest hundreds/thousands in a wheel/rig if there were no advantage? Pay that just to enjoy better immersion? I kinda doubt it.

What I would say is this, from my own short previous experience using wheels (I don’t like them or ever want to use one again tbh, I like to feel I’m playing a game not pretending to be a race driver), and from what my still-wheel-using friends tell me, switching between different cars is much easier (ie acclimatising to the next meta), I don’t know why, perhaps smoother steering inputs? I’m sure if I only ever drove the GTR on controller I’d get very very good at it, but if you’re switching cars every ten mins as you tend to do in Gt, esp single player, it’s more of a challenge.

Golf, tennis, whatever, any sport or activity needing equipment, even if you’re good at it, there comes a point when you have to upgrade to the best equipment if you want to step up to a higher level. And I’m not talking right at the top, just decent amateur to good amateur kinda shift. I think it’s the same here. I may be wrong; maybe one of those top guys does use a controller, but I think it’s unlikely.

Is there any way of finding out what percentage of A+ (or even long-term A) drivers use wheels vs controllers? Likewise, percentage of wheel users who’re long-term B, say. It would be interesting to know.

 

[Roggers]

There's a shadow on your approach

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As you hit, begin to line up your line through the CoD. I'd typically lift here a touch in race and can still carry 120 through it, people reckon you can go flat but I've not managed it in qualy myself without at least being unstable on exit and having to get the car planted again.

With dynamic weather etc. being a myth the shadow won't move so don't worry about it haha.

I'm certainly still a long way from the really fast drivers here, but I'm happy to try to share with you what I noticed and what I would do differently... at the same time my thoughts/suppositions on your problems.
btw Unfortunately I haven't uploaded my fastest Q times yet, but my 1.45.7xx should be enough to show a few things.
By the way, like me, you drive with AT, so we need different braking points and sometimes slightly different lines than the MT drivers.

So what I noticed:

Turn 1 too late and then braked too hard for too long...brake a little early and then reduce braking effort. Keyword "trail brake"

The rise to turns 2-3 and following was too slow through curve 1.. which is logical.

Turn 5 (the first hard corner) Braking point was ok.. but steered too hard into the corner too early, so you can accelerate later and your exit is too slow. First sector times under 36 seconds should be achievable...

Dan increase in S2 so the double S. NEVER let off the gas.. it works and must be taken flat.. here a short lift and you lose 0.3 to 0.5 seconds playing.
Furthermore, use a little less steering angle, your tires are whining/whining.. That means your steering angle is too high.. your traction is decreasing.. you can hardly build up any speed.. this makes your exit on the mountain too slow.

CoD is clear... should go flat.. if you don't dare.. NEVER 100% lift from the gas pedal.. and be more careful with the steering...

@Mercia @xMAXIx79 Thanks both for your input on this.

Your lap was great. I can definitely learn a few things from that. I wish the game had more representative time videos/ghosts that you can see rather than just the top 20/30. Half the time I watch or try to follow the ghost of the fast laps and I feel like it’s pointless at times.

COD flat out…? Ok didn’t even think that was possible.
Hmmm. Ok so braking my issue. I wonder if I’m doing the same on other tracks with the GTR? Ive never been able to set a fast lap with the 4wds.
So will give it another go tonight, and then next week I’ll hit some time trails and practice with the GTR.

Only finishing position counts. Nothing that happens during the race has any influence on DR calculations. If someone quits ahead of you, they finish behind you, so you get DR points from that driver (if you do finish)

GT7 Daily Race Discussion

I’m really enjoying Race C this week. Yes, there’s no strategy required and, yes, they’re mostly one make races, but it’s such a fun track to drive and so rewarding when you get it right. I finally managed to break into the 1:17s in qualifying which has ensured I’m racing at the pointy end...

www.gtplanet.net

Ah ok. I’ve heard people say you lose DR points just for finishing in the lower half of the field in races even if you gain positions. Thanks

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Oh, I wonder who is driving the Hyundai; It seems like a cool and wonderful guy

You mean the Hyundai with the italian flag on it? Yeah, who might be that...? 🧐🤣

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I kind of agree, but how many top drivers don’t use wheels? Gallo, Miyazono? Why would anyone invest hundreds/thousands in a wheel/rig if there were no advantage? Pay that just to enjoy better immersion? I kinda doubt it.

What I would say is this, from my own short previous experience using wheels (I don’t like them or ever want to use one again tbh, I like to feel I’m playing a game not pretending to be a race driver), and from what my still-wheel-using friends tell me, switching between different cars is much easier (ie acclimatising to the next meta), I don’t know why, perhaps smoother steering inputs? I’m sure if I only ever drove the GTR on controller I’d get very very good at it, but if you’re switching cars every ten mins as you tend to do in Gt, esp single player, it’s more of a challenge. Cockpit view adds another layer of complexity, which is why I’ve ditched it for online racing.

Golf, tennis, whatever, any sport or activity needing equipment, even if you’re good at it, there comes a point when you have to upgrade to the best equipment if you want to step up to a higher level. I think it’s the same here. I may be wrong; maybe one of those top guys does use a controller, but I think it’s unlikely.

Is there any way of finding out what percentage of A+ (or even long-term A) drivers use wheels vs controllers? Likewise, percentage of wheel users who’re long-term B, say. It would be interesting to know.

I got a wheel just for the fun of it. A second hand g29 and playseat bundle. I came across some supergt videos and it looked like fun. I didn’t even realise you could get wheels for a PlayStation until then. I never had any intention that I’d be playing at any sort of decent level, let alone being in the same races as the streamers I’d been watching. I can 100% say that I wouldn’t be as quick with a controller, im crap at games generally but with a wheel I do feel like real life driving skill is somewhat transferable.
But that said there are tons of A+ drivers that use controllers; I’d say the majority do just because the barrier of entry is quite high for a wheel. You are right that the top 50 or so guys probably use wheels.

 

[xMAXIx79]

I got a wheel just for the fun of it. A second hand g29 and playseat bundle. I came across some supergt videos and it looked like fun. I didn’t even realise you could get wheels for a PlayStation until then. I never had any intention that I’d be playing at any sort of decent level, let alone being in the same races as the streamers I’d been watching. I can 100% say that I wouldn’t be as quick with a controller, im crap at games generally but with a wheel I do feel like real life driving skill is somewhat transferable.
But that said there are tons of A+ drivers that use controllers; I’d say the majority do just because the barrier of entry is quite high for a wheel. You are right that the top 50 or so guys probably use wheels.

I took 2 riders from B to A on the pad during the Yamagiwa week.. but it was a challenge.. at the same time I managed a couple of very fast CE sectors on the ring with the pad...

But it takes a lot of practice and constant concentration.

 

[Bullwinkle]

That's really interesting as I found bumper cam a bit less accurate to judge car width, hence why I use roof.

I can see that if you get used to bumper cam it could be great since you've got better visibility, so might practice a bit!

Also, you drove well. Just a tiny, split second mistake which everyone does plenty of times 🙂

I use the roof cam for the same reason. I just wished it would have a rear view mirror.

Well, actually, maybe not. Being able to see who's coming at me, it would scare the hell out of me, probably.😬

@TechnoIsLove and @Leon Kowalski , I forgot to add that in the bumper cam view, the tire width is the outside edges of the two gauges (speed and tach), so imagine that they are your wheels to keep lined up. Once I learned this (someone else mentioned it here somewhere) I've been a lot more accurate in that view and feel like I have a lot more control with the huge rearview mirror and the tachometer to keep a more precise account of my rpms.

 

[Nebuc72]

I kind of agree, but how many top drivers don’t use wheels? Gallo, Miyazono? Why would anyone invest hundreds/thousands in a wheel/rig if there were no advantage? Pay that just to enjoy better immersion? I kinda doubt it.

What I would say is this, from my own short previous experience using wheels (I don’t like them or ever want to use one again tbh, I like to feel I’m playing a game not pretending to be a race driver), and from what my still-wheel-using friends tell me, switching between different cars is much easier (ie acclimatising to the next meta), I don’t know why, perhaps smoother steering inputs? I’m sure if I only ever drove the GTR on controller I’d get very very good at it, but if you’re switching cars every ten mins as you tend to do in Gt, esp single player, it’s more of a challenge.

Golf, tennis, whatever, any sport or activity needing equipment, even if you’re good at it, there comes a point when you have to upgrade to the best equipment if you want to step up to a higher level. And I’m not talking right at the top, just decent amateur to good amateur kinda shift. I think it’s the same here. I may be wrong; maybe one of those top guys does use a controller, but I think it’s unlikely.

Is there any way of finding out what percentage of A+ (or even long-term A) drivers use wheels vs controllers? Likewise, percentage of wheel users who’re long-term B, say. It would be interesting to know.

There were GTWS drivers that qualified with gamepad in Sport but had to switch to wheels for the live events because PD wanted everyone on equal machinery (or probably just because wheel looks better lol). I cannot remember who off the top of my head, but that's one big reason all the top dogs use wheels - they have to.

I've always thought that it's just as hard to be as fast with a wheel with as it is with a controller, but the ceiling on a wheel is slightly higher. But until you're at that ceiling? I think it's pretty much fair game.

 

[xMAXIx79]

There were GTWS drivers that qualified with gamepad in Sport but had to switch to wheels for the live events because PD wanted everyone on equal machinery. I cannot remember who off the top of my head, but that's one big reason all the top dogs use wheels - they have to.

I've always thought that it's just as hard to be as fast with a wheel with as it is with a controller, but the ceiling on a wheel is slightly higher. But until you're at that ceiling? I think it's pretty much fair game.

I would even say that pad drivers can drive longer without tiring as much as steering wheel drivers. In any case, I definitely notice the constant strain in my bones after a few hours. With a pad you are more flexible in terms of seating position etc.

 

[O604]

GT Sport All Japan U18 Finals had controllers vs wheels. Skip to 38 minutes, for the racing part.

All-Japan U18 Regional Championship

Japan's best drivers 18-years-old and under compete for their home prefectures!

www.gran-turismo.com

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Oh, I wonder who is driving the Hyundai; It seems like a cool and wonderful guy

And maybe it's not the only race of that kind "wink wink"

He seemed alright 😛

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Although I like the hood view I ended out switching to bumper cam for good simply because it has the only useable rearview mirror in the game! I'd love other views if I could get a good view of what's coming behind me. The radar is too close proximity; I like to see who's coming up and where they are.

I have another question about DR points: If I am matched into a lobby with someone I absolutely DO NOT want to race with, can I bail from the lobby before the race starts without penalty, or do I end out eating the points anyway? It's probably worth it in the end just to avoid "that guy!"

You could in GT Sport where it shows you who you are matched with while loading the track. If you disable psn or close the game while it's still loading (before you get to the lobby) it doesn't count as a quit.

On PS5 no chance, it loads too fast. On PS4, maybe if you have a slow HDD. Anyway you have to quit before you enter the lobby. Once you're in the lobby you have wagered your DR points.

@Roggers "I’ve heard people say you lose DR points just for finishing in the lower half of the field in races even if you gain positions." That's entirely possible, you can lose DR for finishing second after starting last gaining 14 positions. It all depends on the DR of the other drivers in the room. If your DR is 40K higher than everyone else in the room, you lose 160 points to nr 1, and only get 1 point from the other 14 drivers you passed. So you lose 146 DR for finishing second.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I think I'm officially retired from Race B at the Dragon Trail today. I crept back up to a DR B but I was feeling as if I hadn't learned anything useful about race craft and have been fretting that I'd never learn. I have a couple of observations about that:

• Don't bother racing on Saturday afternoon or evening. Just don't. This seems to be when more jerks arrive and the most fights break out on the track. Best just to avoid them.
• I was afraid I'd never learn all the cool moves that would help me overtake other cars in a race. I realized as I got in the better lobbies that being patient and waiting is just as, if not more, important has having clever moves.
• If I remain smooth and consistent and weather the first lap, many of the idiots will take themselves out of contention.
• I don't have to be faster than them if I have better angles. I'm still no good at pushing my way through a turn and gaining a position, but I've learned how to recognize when someone is driving on the edge and may throw themselves off the track the next lap (as long as I'm patient).
• On that note, I've also learned to pick out certain tendencies in drivers. I started a handful of races today right in front of a guy who'd always bash his way past me in turn 1 or 2, but I also discovered that if I just let him go without a fight he'd usually end up in another tussle and finish behind me. This was a valuable lesson.
• I may not be the best racer, and I still have a lot to learn, but the "craft" of racing isn't all about moves and speed but also involves smarts and patience. This is a far less intimidating discovery.

So now that I'm retired I've decided it's time to start preparing for tomorrow. I already golded Maggiore before, so I did Sardegna quickly since I've done so many laps of that already. I have now started Nurburgring and have golded the first 4 sectors and . . . well . . . this is gonna take a while! I don't think I'll ever get the one lap, but for now the sectors are the best way to prepare for Race C. I may be ready to race it just in time for a new set of races to replace it!

 

[Nebuc72]

I would even say that pad drivers can drive longer without tiring as much as steering wheel drivers. In any case, I definitely notice the constant strain in my bones after a few hours. With a pad you are more flexible in terms of seating position etc.

Hahaha yeah I definitely get less sweaty racing on a controller! Though my best racing memories are for sure iRacing on VR (on a wheel, obviously!) - that experience makes the sweat all the more worth it.
Doing a stint of the 24h of Le Mans with that setup is mental.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

• I was afraid I'd never learn all the cool moves that would help me overtake other cars in a race. I realized as I got in the better lobbies that being patient and waiting is just as, if not more, important has having clever moves.

That's the way I try to do the online races, too. Finished the week at Dragon Trail today with a P5 and a P2, overtaking only twice - drivers who had slowed down due to mistakes they made. Because honestly, I suck at racing moves. Lots to learn here still.

One downside of being patient, which hurt me quite often, is that when I stay patiently behind another driver who is just slightly slower than me (to wait for his next mistake instead of doing a risky overtake I might not be equipped for) more often than not the driver behind me catches up.

And usually, it's an Alfa...😬