GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NikNakTobasco]

That's the way I try to do the online races, too. Finished the week at Dragon Trail today with a P5 and a P2, overtaking only twice - drivers who had slowed down due to mistakes they made. Because honestly, I suck at racing moves. Lots to learn here still.

One downside of being patient, which hurt me quite often, is that when I stay patiently behind another driver who is just slightly slower than me (to wait for his next mistake instead of doing a risky overtake I might not be equipped for) more often than not the driver behind me catches up.

And usually, it's an Alfa...😬

Can’t say I remember ever doing a ‘clever overtake’. I don’t do many at all and when I do they’re are always humdrum take the inside line at a corner affairs. I feel like I’ve got better at defending my position but I do feel guilty sometimes as I feel like I’m getting in the way 😅.
I’m pretty low risk and I’m not that fussed about being overtaken if it means we can carry on quickly without bringing others into the fray.
Today at seaside I was p2 and p1 was defending like crazy against moves I had no intention of making. It was early in the race and I just wanted to build a gap to consolidate 2nd and then think about attacking last 2 laps. But inevitably he cost us so much time that p3 was on us and he was very aggressive, I let him past before the chicane as I knew his aggression paired with p1s defensiveness had a good chance of going wrong. Which it did; neither were dirty at all but they were only thinking about the corner ahead; keeping or gaining a position rather than the race as a whole. I waited back and they forced each other wide and I got the win without really doing anything. That’s a mindset that’s come with a bit of experience but if I was quicker/more attacking I may well have got p1 from the off and not had to worry. Small split second decisions can make a big difference and it’s so much fun to se it playing out.

 

[Bullwinkle]

That's the way I try to do the online races, too. Finished the week at Dragon Trail today with a P5 and a P2, overtaking only twice - drivers who had slowed down due to mistakes they made. Because honestly, I suck at racing moves. Lots to learn here still.

One downside of being patient, which hurt me quite often, is that when I stay patiently behind another driver who is just slightly slower than me (to wait for his next mistake instead of doing a risky overtake I might not be equipped for) more often than not the driver behind me catches up.

And usually, it's an Alfa...😬

Ugh. I can't count the number of times I was slowed down by the person in front of me only to be overtaken by the person behind me, and then somehow move right on past the person in front of me as well! I'm getting better at one-on-one, but when it comes to groups of cars I'm still not faring very well.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Can’t say I remember ever doing a ‘clever overtake’. I don’t do many at all and when I do they’re are always humdrum take the inside line at a corner affairs. I feel like I’ve got better at defending my position but I do feel guilty sometimes as I feel like I’m getting in the way 😅.

Same here with the overtaking stuff. On a lower level overall, though. Not so much about the defending part. Since the Alfa drivers started doing their thing, I often don't even try to defend, because it will end up with me crawling out of the dirt somewhere anyway.

Wait, I remember one single "clever" overtake I did, on the earlier Dragon Trail race B some weeks ago. Changing sides twice behind my "victim", faking the outside move, and then diving inside into a lot of empty space when he tried to defend the outside lane.

Well, once in a lifetime, probably...😄

 

[Bullwinkle]

So now that I'm retired I've decided it's time to start preparing for tomorrow. I already golded Maggiore before, so I did Sardegna quickly since I've done so many laps of that already. I have now started Nurburgring and have golded the first 4 sectors and . . . well . . . this is gonna take a while! I don't think I'll ever get the one lap, but for now the sectors are the best way to prepare for Race C. I may be ready to race it just in time for a new set of races to replace it!

Ok, so I was able to gold each sector at Nurburgring but it was only by the skin of my teeth. Does anyone have any advice on how to do the whole circuit? I was barely able to hold it together for each sector; I can't imagine doing that for the whole lap without restarting hundreds and hundreds of times. I'm less worried about golding it right now as I am about qualifying laps tomorrow, but the whole thing is intimidating either way.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Same here with the overtaking stuff. On a lower level overall, though. Not so much about the defending part. Since the Alfa drivers started doing their thing, I often don't even try to defend, because it will end up with me crawling out of the dirt somewhere anyway.

Wait, I remember one single "clever" overtake I did, on the earlier Dragon Trail race B some weeks ago. Changing sides twice behind my "victim", faking the outside move, and then diving inside into a lot of empty space when he tried to defend the outside lane.

Well, once in a lifetime, probably...😄

I should have added the caveat that if there’s an Alfa behind then defending or not makes no difference, even if you let them go through, which I have, they’ll still ram you off the track!
Nice work on the clever overtake; we should have a clever overtakes thread where we share our moments of racing genius 😄

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Ok, so I was able to gold each sector at Nurburgring but it was only by the skin of my teeth. Does anyone have any advice on how to do the whole circuit? I was barely able to hold it together for each sector; I can't imagine doing that for the whole lap without restarting hundreds and hundreds of times. I'm less worried about golding it right now as I am about qualifying laps tomorrow, but the whole thing is intimidating either way.

Didn’t you only start today? Golding all the sectors is an achievement on its own. You don’t need to go as fast to gold the lap.
It took me a whole weekend to do it all, and probably hundreds of restarts as expected! I remember I was forgetting the sectors as I got deeper into the lap until I had to pause it and look at YouTube track guides to remind me what was coming. In truth I only ever finished maybe 3 full laps before I got the gold lap as most attempts ended up being restarted. This was pre physics patch though so was very sketchy. It’s just a matter of practice, but you’ve proven you’ve got the pace to do it.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Didn’t you only start today? Golding all the sectors is an achievement on its own. You don’t need to go as fast to gold the lap.
It took me a whole weekend to do it all, and probably hundreds of restarts as expected! I remember I was forgetting the sectors as I got deeper into the lap until I had to pause it and look at YouTube track guides to remind me what was coming. In truth I only ever finished maybe 3 full laps before I got the gold lap as most attempts ended up being restarted. This was pre physics patch though so was very sketchy. It’s just a matter of practice, but you’ve proven you’ve got the pace to do it.

Oh holy cow, that great news! I was thinking that if I had to keep that pace the entire lap I'd never make it. I'll give it a go later because I'm exhausted right now. I didn't think I'd get through those sectors today but I kept telling myself, "Ok, that worked, how about one more?" Sector 8 still kills me, the one that is on one of those license tests I think with the Merc?

And just to call myself out, I turned on the brake zones for this! There's just no way I'd remember every single braking point. Maybe one day I'll go without, but for now I feel happy with just getting through on TC0.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

Oh holy cow, that great news! I was thinking that if I had to keep that pace the entire lap I'd never make it. I'll give it a go later because I'm exhausted right now. I didn't think I'd get through those sectors today but I kept telling myself, "Ok, that worked, how about one more?" Sector 8 still kills me, the one that is on one of those license tests I think with the Merc?

And just to call myself out, I turned on the brake zones for this! There's just no way I'd remember every single braking point. Maybe one day I'll go without, but for now I feel happy with just getting through on TC0.

The lap pace is quite a bit slower, especially sector 8 I think I was about 2 seconds off the gold sector time when I did it as part of a lap. I found some parts of the lap I was strong at and could push which gave me a little breathing room towards the end. Sector 9 you’ve got to be brave though, flat out.
Just don’t expect to nail it first time out. With each try you’ll get a bit further into the lap and you’ll get more comfortable. @xMAXIx79 will tell you how much blood sweat and tears (mostly tears) that CE cost me. Literally the hardest thing I’ve ever done in a game.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I raced on PS5 today to compare with racing on PS4 yesterday.

The difference is still the same, more spread out DR on PS5 making it harder to gain DR. Fewer A+ drivers as well. Overall it seems the DR pool is bigger or more inflated on PS4 compared to PS5.

However a lot more people quit during the races on PS5. Odd difference. It doesn't look like random disconnects as it's often right after an incident. Some races on PS5 only had half the players left at the end.

It's also dirtier on PS5, probably due to the higher DR spread with non qualifiers starting behind much slower drivers.
I still only get max 3 bars on PS5, last night only 1 bar, but I didn't notice any difference in lag while racing. Just different lag reporting I guess. No weird glitches during the races.

The big advantage of PS5 is, no stalled warm-ups (had a 10 minute long warm-up on ps4). That happens a lot on ps4, warm-up timer not counting down until the room finally spits out whoever it was not agreeing with.

Good races today, clumsy dirty in the back, clean in the front with one true photo finish, same finish time.

Not sure why it placed me ahead at the finish, also no idea why he is SR.B, clean driver through and through. He was following me for 2 laps patiently waiting for an opportunity to pass (He was on fresher tires, I pitted earlier than him). He managed a contact free pass and was getting away from me in the last lap but snagged a 0.5 sec track penalty, hence meeting up with him at the end of the tunnel. Great race!

 

[Talon16]

There were GTWS drivers that qualified with gamepad in Sport but had to switch to wheels for the live events because PD wanted everyone on equal machinery (or probably just because wheel looks better lol). I cannot remember who off the top of my head, but that's one big reason all the top dogs use wheels - they have to.

I've always thought that it's just as hard to be as fast with a wheel with as it is with a controller, but the ceiling on a wheel is slightly higher. But until you're at that ceiling? I think it's pretty much fair game.

It was Danny Solis who was the controller user. Kinda sucked because he was one of the few (only?) player from the States competing, thus I was pulling for him to do very well. I think having to go to a wheel likely made him lose pace at the event.

For the top fraction of a percent of players, the wheel likely helps. For the rest of us shlubs, as they say: "It's the Indian and not the arrow."

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Did a couple Daily As on the A+ & B account with the Ford GT LM II and Porsche today. The B lobbies were more fun since the A+/A lobby drivers were using the Beetle, whereas there was a lot more variety in the B lobby. Not a huge fan of Barcelona so the fact there was no DR/SR made it palatable.

Figured I'd try Daily B on the B account. Went in 100% cold. On the 3rd race actually had a lot of fun. Started P14 and finished P6. Again, a lot of variety of cars in the B lobby (Atenza, Lambo, Supra, Aston) including myself in the Jag. A lot of fun racing, close battles, side-by-sides. Survived the chicken of death and all that. That being said, I am glad this one is off the docket.

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Anyone ever have a driver in their races that continuously hit the flashers? I've seen this many-a-times where a certain car just has teh flashers going off at random times. I figured it was a controller user and they have the flash-the-lights button mapped to something they keep hitting on accident or something...? Like, the left stick steers the car but "up" on the stick is the flashers and they keep wandering the stick in that direction.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I raced on PS5 today to compare with racing on PS4 yesterday.

The difference is still the same, more spread out DR on PS5 making it harder to gain DR. Fewer A+ drivers as well. Overall it seems the DR pool is bigger or more inflated on PS4 compared to PS5.

However a lot more people quit during the races on PS5. Odd difference. It doesn't look like random disconnects as it's often right after an incident. Some races on PS5 only had half the players left at the end.

It's also dirtier on PS5, probably due to the higher DR spread with non qualifiers starting behind much slower drivers.
I still only get max 3 bars on PS5, last night only 1 bar, but I didn't notice any difference in lag while racing. Just different lag reporting I guess. No weird glitches during the races.

The big advantage of PS5 is, no stalled warm-ups (had a 10 minute long warm-up on ps4). That happens a lot on ps4, warm-up timer not counting down until the room finally spits out whoever it was not agreeing with.

Good races today, clumsy dirty in the back, clean in the front with one true photo finish, same finish time.

Not sure why it placed me ahead at the finish, also no idea why he is SR.B, clean driver through and through. He was following me for 2 laps patiently waiting for an opportunity to pass (He was on fresher tires, I pitted earlier than him). He managed a contact free pass and was getting away from me in the last lap but snagged a 0.5 sec track penalty, hence meeting up with him at the end of the tunnel. Great race!

Do you think this might be a US only issue? I feel like PS5s are pretty common here now and the ps5 lobbies are more concentrated than the ps4 ones.

 

[Nebuc72]

It was Danny Solis who was the controller user. Kinda sucked because he was one of the few (only?) player from the States competing, thus I was pulling for him to do very well. I think having to go to a wheel likely made him lose pace at the event.

For the top fraction of a percent of players, the wheel likely helps. For the rest of us shlubs, as they say: "It's the Indian and not the arrow"

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Anyone ever have a driver in their races that continuously hit the flashers? I've seen this many-a-times where a certain car just has teh flashers going off at random times. I figured it was a controller user and they have the flash-the-lights button mapped to something they keep hitting on accident or something...? Like, the left stick steers the car but "up" on the stick is the flashers and they keep wandering the stick in that direction.

Solis! That was the one. Glad I wasn't just going crazy.

As for the light flashes, its default mapped to L3, so clicking the stick down flashes. A lot of gamepad users (especially in lower DR) seem to absolutely smash the stick into the controller when they're steering so their lights are going haywire in basically every turn.

 

[Bullwinkle]

Anyone ever have a driver in their races that continuously hit the flashers? I've seen this many-a-times where a certain car just has teh flashers going off at random times. I figured it was a controller user and they have the flash-the-lights button mapped to something they keep hitting on accident or something...? Like, the left stick steers the car but "up" on the stick is the flashers and they keep wandering the stick in that direction.

I get a lot of people flashing their brights. I figured they think they’re at the Autobahn and I’ll just get over for them. Those also seem to be the impatient shovers who also make comments like “get outta my way” when people complain that they’re dirty.

As for the light flashes, its default mapped to L3, so clicking the stick down flashes. A lot of gamepad users (especially in lower DR) seem to absolutely smash the stick into the controller when they're steering so their lights are going haywire in basically every turn.

Good call on that! That fits the profile as well.

 

[Talon16]

Solis! That was the one. Glad I wasn't just going crazy.

As for the light flashes, its default mapped to L3, so clicking the stick down flashes. A lot of gamepad users (especially in lower DR) seem to absolutely smash the stick into the controller when they're steering so their lights are going haywire in basically every turn.

That makes sense.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Do you think this might be a US only issue? I feel like PS5s are pretty common here now and the ps5 lobbies are more concentrated than the ps4 ones.

Could be, could also be the track combo, last day its on, different time of day (which has a huge influence). For a real test I would have to run them side by side, which would be interesting. But I will need another account first to pull that off. Idea for later Got to get my kid invested in GT7 (He gave up after music rally )

 

[Talon16]

Ok, so I was able to gold each sector at Nurburgring but it was only by the skin of my teeth. Does anyone have any advice on how to do the whole circuit? I was barely able to hold it together for each sector; I can't imagine doing that for the whole lap without restarting hundreds and hundreds of times. I'm less worried about golding it right now as I am about qualifying laps tomorrow, but the whole thing is intimidating either way.

If you golded the sectors, you should be good. The lap, as with all the CEs, is a little more forgiving. I can't remember how many attempts it took me the first time but it wasn't a ton. Like, maybe six or seven, two of those complete laps (the others I quit out due to a mistake). That was pre 1.13 to boot. On my second account, did it on the first full attempt a few weeks back. Probably helped I had hundreds of laps around N24 in GT-Sport.

Anyway, don't want to turn this into a CE thread. There is a whole topic on just the Nurb CE. Have a look, a lot of good info there!

Why 99.9% of all players won´t gold the Nordschleife Circuit Experience!

Its a lot easier with a wheel, and more fun

www.gtplanet.net

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Interested to see what will be the META tomorrow. I am hoping something new rises to the top and it's something like the Jag or Merc might be strong.

 

[LGBT_Barron]

I've usually started in the top half of the Daily Races i did this week so unless someone made a mistake i wasn't all that bothered about going for any overtaking moves. Probably good race craft but at times i wish i was more assertive (or maybe Spanish)

As for next weeks Race C I'm also interested to see what car is the meta, I'm usually wrong when i try and predict what it will be but what about the Audi TT ?

 

[xMAXIx79]

The lap pace is quite a bit slower, especially sector 8 I think I was about 2 seconds off the gold sector time when I did it as part of a lap. I found some parts of the lap I was strong at and could push which gave me a little breathing room towards the end. Sector 9 you’ve got to be brave though, flat out.
Just don’t expect to nail it first time out. With each try you’ll get a bit further into the lap and you’ll get more comfortable. @xMAXIx79 will tell you how much blood sweat and tears (mostly tears) that CE cost me. Literally the hardest thing I’ve ever done in a game.

Oh yes, I remember it well.. at times I was like, "If this goes on for a little longer, my friend will throw it all away and delete the game." BUT in the end you gilded the sectors AND also managed the whole round, furthermore I was incredibly happy for you afterwards.

Others of our "team" have also made it since then and it's always nice to read the joy and relief about it in the news.

Regarding the Ring: Yes, the S8 and S9 are something special, there are a few who get along well there right from the start. Others need a certain amount of time until this section has been memorized AND you have understood the curves there.
By the way @bull the braking points are a bit "difficult" at this point, there is an unnecessary braking point that can even lead to problems if you brake there, 2 others are a bit late, which significantly increases the risk of flying off and finally is one, at least for my taste, a bit too early... the whole thing only in S8. We have a whole topic exclusively about the Nordschleifen CE , there are great videos with absolutely outstanding lap shows from zb. @1gorFraga or @Autobahn GTO .

S8 is one of my absolute favorite parts of this track, you can lose an incredible amount of time here (which hopefully happens to the other drivers) but you can also make up a lot of time... however, like almost all places on the Ring, overtaking is a challenge, if the man in front is aggressively defending, there's no chance of a clean pass here.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Didn’t you only start today? Golding all the sectors is an achievement on its own. You don’t need to go as fast to gold the lap.
It took me a whole weekend to do it all, and probably hundreds of restarts as expected! I remember I was forgetting the sectors as I got deeper into the lap until I had to pause it and look at YouTube track guides to remind me what was coming. In truth I only ever finished maybe 3 full laps before I got the gold lap as most attempts ended up being restarted. This was pre physics patch though so was very sketchy. It’s just a matter of practice, but you’ve proven you’ve got the pace to do it.

I actually did the same this weekend. Sectors 1, 2, and on Saturday, the rest on sunday. But the full lap has proven hard to get gold for me. Only three times I got around relatively clean, and always landed between 6:40 and 6:41. Every other attempt to find the missing seconds ended somewhere in the barrier... 😬

 

[xMAXIx79]

I actually did the same this weekend. Sectors 1, 2, and on Saturday, the rest on sunday. But the full lap has proven hard to get gold for me. Only three times I got around relatively clean, and always landed between 6:40 and 6:41. Every other attempt to find the missing seconds ended somewhere in the barrier... 😬

Everyone started at some point..... BTW. My personal best advice for me... Shift your own ghost forward by 0.5 to 1 second and don't try to follow any demo ghosts... then keep calm and defeat your own ghost bit by bit.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

That's entirely possible, you can lose DR for finishing second after starting last gaining 14 positions. It all depends on the DR of the other drivers in the room. If your DR is 40K higher than everyone else in the room, you lose 160 points to nr 1, and only get 1 point from the other 14 drivers you passed. So you lose 146 DR for finishing second.

So, if you try to gain DR, it doesn't make much sense to start from the back without a qualifying time, because you might be overtaking only drivers who are lower rated than you, anyway, and you don't gain anything?

I should have added the caveat that if there’s an Alfa behind then defending or not makes no difference, even if you let them go through, which I have, they’ll still ram you off the track!

Absolutely. Had that a dozen times at least.

Nice work on the clever overtake; we should have a clever overtakes thread where we share our moments of racing genius 😄

If mainly guys like me are contributing, it will be a very short thread.

Oh holy cow, that great news! I was thinking that if I had to keep that pace the entire lap I'd never make it. I'll give it a go later because I'm exhausted right now. I didn't think I'd get through those sectors today but I kept telling myself, "Ok, that worked, how about one more?" Sector 8 still kills me, the one that is on one of those license tests I think with the Merc?

And just to call myself out, I turned on the brake zones for this! There's just no way I'd remember every single braking point. Maybe one day I'll go without, but for now I feel happy with just getting through on TC0.

I probably did it totally wrong: Didn't try to really memorize any breaking points (too many), just trying to get the flow of it. It worked for the sectors, but the complete lap is tough...

 

[CrimsonKing]

So we're back to very short races. Smh.

 

[xMAXIx79]

So we're back to very short races. Smh.

Well, 2 laps of the Nordschleife are not exactly short.. but yes, 4 or more would be better.🤣

 

[Forspe_13]

any idea on Race C this week?

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

Here's my best lap so far for the new Race A.

Apparently a wing can be added to the car that is supposed to be stock and a lot more rumble strips can be used, but it should be a good starting reference.

So we're back to very short races. Smh.

Yes, Race A could go for another 2 laps.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Everyone started at some point..... BTW. My personal best advice for me... Shift your own ghost forward by 0.5 to 1 second and don't try to follow any demo ghosts... then keep calm and defeat your own ghost bit by bit.

That's my default: ghost 1 second ahead. On the NS it was still a problem that I caught up to it and it obstructed my view at the most unfitting points of the track... I really should assign a button on my controller to switch ghost on/off.

 

[NikNakTobasco]

I personally never use someone else’s ghost or offset my own. I do find my own ghost helpful just to see if I’m ahead: I switch it on and off again quickly. I also judge my pace by sector times. But having a ghost ahead of me I find distracting.

 

[inkyy]

I personally never use someone else’s ghost or offset my own. I do find my own ghost helpful just to see if I’m ahead: I switch it on and off again quickly. I also judge my pace by sector times. But having a ghost ahead of me I find distracting.

I think i agree here, i tend to focus on the car and not hitting my points

 

[KAlex122]

What is a good qualy time for a B Driver on Sardegna? I just drive cars from my own Garage and tried a 1:42:333 after some laps with the Jaguar.

 

[drumbeg]

Ooooh, Porsche Race A is fun. Tons of places to overtake and lots of jostling for places in my races so far.

Start with TCS set to 1, then dial down to 0 once moving (I've actually been leaving mine on 1 for the race).