GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Bullwinkle]

Last time I checked - which was a few hours ago - the Porsche has been all but replaced on the top of leader board. There was only one in the top ten; the Alfa was #1 and there were a handful of Supras in there as well. Definitely cool to see the META being changed as people are trying and succeeding in other cars.

I still like the Alfa, but I feel like the race Alfa is way different than the quali Alfa. The extra weight of the fuel seems to effect it more than the other cars. Maybe it's a placebo thing. Is it just just me?

I'm surprised the BRZ isn't more popular.

You made the Alfa look good last night, but I was too busy getting shoved off the track by crappy drivers to keep up with you. That race with you was the only time this week that I’ve been hit in turn 1 by someone who simply decided not to brake. Race over for me! I ram some trial laps in the Alfa and enjoy it a lot, but I can’t quite get it down to my Porsche times. I’ll keep trying.

Thanks for the tip. One reason more for me not to do a race. I need some different races to build my SR back up a bit. Can't see getting through a race B this week without touching several barriers and/or opponents. 😇

It’s kinda random, but I was getting hit but still getting the CRB, so have faith! Also, last week I got my SR back up from B after only two of those long races. If you do Race C cleanly from the back a few times you'll get your SR back in no time.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

It’s kinda random, but I was getting hit but still getting the CRB, so have faith! Also, last week I got my SR back up from B after only two of those long races. If you do Race C cleanly from the back a few times you'll get your SR back in no time.

I have to admit that with that track/car combo it's more about myself meeting Barry R when I try to be fast. Getting hit by other drivers would only come on top 🤣

 

[NevilleNobody]

The Alfa is weird, it's an absolute GUN through sector 1 becasue of the rear end grip but it's a pig at the last corner. She doesn't want to rotate at the final turn and even then when you gas it there is zero slip so will just understeer off unless you wait, losing precious hundreths sec.

I still find the Supra the best for me, ultimately the Porsche is a smidge quicker but the supra is a beast through the awkward right hander mid lap.

 

[Talon16]

You made the Alfa look good last night, but I was too busy getting shoved off the track by crappy drivers to keep up with you. That race with you was the only time this week that I’ve been hit in turn 1 by someone who simply decided not to brake. Race over for me! I ram some trial laps in the Alfa and enjoy it a lot, but I can’t quite get it down to my Porsche times. I’ll keep trying.

It’s kinda random, but I was getting hit but still getting the CRB, so have faith! Also, last week I got my SR back up from B after only two of those long races. If you do Race C cleanly from the back a few times you'll get your SR back in no time.

I was using the RCZ in that race. Wanted to try some different cars, even if just in a race. It's very stable but super slow. I also tried out the Atenza which isn't bad at all. A little tail happy so you need to be careful on exit. Also gave the M3 a run. So easy to drive, but probably because it's so slow. Going through the esses was a breeze and I could actually let up on the steering input... again, probably because it was so slow. Ended up getting the win in it, but I feel mainly because the guy in the Porsche (who was hounding me) binned it on lap 3. Last but definitely least was the Suzuki VGT. HORRIBLE! It does nothing well. Slow on the straights, snap oversteer on exit, understeer through the esses. What a POS.

You do seem to have some bad luck. You got hit twice going through T1 in two straight laps, yea? I was hoping you and I would get to race each other but it wasn't meant to be.

The Alfa is weird, it's an absolute GUN through sector 1 becasue of the rear end grip but it's a pig at the last corner. She doesn't want to rotate at the final turn and even then when you gas it there is zero slip so will just understeer off unless you wait, losing precious hundreths sec.

I still find the Supra the best for me, ultimately the Porsche is a smidge quicker but the supra is a beast through the awkward right hander mid lap.

Interesting to hear as I use the same method through T1 as T-last: downshift to help rotate, upshift to 3rd, and floor it at apex.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

The Alfa is weird, it's an absolute GUN through sector 1 becasue of the rear end grip but it's a pig at the last corner. She doesn't want to rotate at the final turn and even then when you gas it there is zero slip so will just understeer off unless you wait, losing precious hundreths sec.

Absolutely. That's why my Q laps always follow the same scheme: "good lap, good lap, don't bin it in the final turn..."

And then I bin it in the final turn. 😆

 

[NevilleNobody]

It's the only car I can get into the 29's regularly in sector 1 but I lose a couple of tenths to the Porsche at the last corner. A tenth really matters, my 52 flat is worth about 5 places on the grid vs a 52.15

 

[sturk0167]

Race A has devolved into chaos. An alien has started on the pole for the last 3 races, and slowed at the start to throw blows at BenRod.
I used to respect that guy, because of his super fast Q times. Now, he just looks like a knucklehead.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I was using the RCZ in that race. Wanted to try some different cars, even if just in a race. It's very stable but super slow. I also tried out the Atenza which isn't bad at all. A little tail happy so you need to be careful on exit. Also gave the M3 a run. So easy to drive, but probably because it's so slow. Going through the esses was a breeze and I could actually let up on the steering input... again, probably because it was so slow. Ended up getting the win in it, but I feel mainly because the guy in the Porsche (who was hounding me) binned it on lap 3. Last but definitely least was the Suzuki VGT. HORRIBLE! It does nothing well. Slow on the straights, snap oversteer on exit, understeer through the esses. What a POS.

You do seem to have some bad luck. You got hit twice going through T1 in two straight laps, yea? I was hoping you and I would get to race each other but it wasn't meant to be.


Interesting to hear as I use the same method through T1 as T-last: downshift to help rotate, upshift to 3rd, and floor it at apex.

Oh right! I was looking at someone else running the Alfa (maybe a different race?). My attention span stinks with this game. I get in a zone and forget to pay attention. Anyway, I was really hoping to keep up and race with you, but dang! That all B lobby was brutal. A lot of people making up for their quali time by diving into the turns. I’ve started intentionally going slow through the S and the last turn to get people to back off or try a stupid move, and then accelerate fast into the long straight. It doesn’t always work, but it makes me happy to slow them down.

Overall, though, I’m loving this track. I didn’t think I would but now it’s at the top of my list! It’s truly a challenge to shave time off and keep the car balanced. I wish I had another week to practice it.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Another try to get my Q time for race B down a bit, another incremental improvement. I shaved off another tenth to a 52:2 with, surprise:

I just needed five laps to improve my previous best with the Alfa. One reason seems to be that the green lady snake is very stable in the critical sectors. Especially the final turn, where I found her by far the easiest of all cars I've tried to get around and accelerate cleanly. I assume that a better driver than me could get her at least into the mid 51s.

 

[Talon16]

It's really cool to hear a lot of people are having fun/success with different cars. Quite refreshing!

And to add to that... guys, I am telling you the MR cars are really fun! I been using them today and got a win in the Ferrari, Citroen, and Audi. Yea, that's right. The AUDI! The Ferrari is still very slow on the straights which is its Achilles' heal. With the Citroen & Audi I was able to get them into the 51.9s in the couple of laps before the race.

These cars are actually pretty decent. I've been trying to get Daily wins in all of the Gr3 cars (other than the stupid ones, VW/Peugeot/Suzuki VGTs need not apply), and this track has knocked a lot of them off my list! Cars that wouldn't be competitive at Daytona or the like, are here. It's been quite entertaining, actually.

 

[Bullwinkle]

It's really cool to hear a lot of people are having fun/success with different cars. Quite refreshing!

And to add to that... guys, I am telling you the MR cars are really fun! I been using them today and got a win in the Ferrari, Citroen, and Audi. Yea, that's right. The AUDI! The Ferrari is still very slow on the straights which is its Achilles' heal. With the Citroen & Audi I was able to get them into the 51.9s in the couple of laps before the race.

These cars are actually pretty decent. I've been trying to get Daily wins in all of the Gr3 cars (other than the stupid ones, VW/Peugeot/Suzuki VGTs need not apply), and this track has knocked a lot of them off my list! Cars that wouldn't be competitive at Daytona or the like, are here. It's been quite entertaining, actually.

Oh finally! A use for the Citroën I love so much! I used it for a bit at St. Croix but nothing since. I’ll be switching this weekend. And @Leon Kowalski, I’ll give the Viper a try too.

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

I decided to do Race A for the first time this week with only about 20 miles of practice. I started on pole but second stayed ghosted yet racing the entire time and just drove through my car like it was nothing. Is this a hacker that should be reported or just a new glitch? I have the video saved but if it's a glitch that happened to others then I don't think it needs uploaded. Either way I'm done racing this week in record time unless the hacker is banned or the glitch is fixed.

 

[Dep Fishtail]

Same happened to me in a B race tonight. Very strange. I had a couple of ghosts in one race and from there on things worked normally.

 

[Talon16]

Oh finally! A use for the Citroën I love so much! I used it for a bit at St. Croix but nothing since. I’ll be switching this weekend. And @Leon Kowalski, I’ll give the Viper a try too.

Do it. The Citroen surprised me. it's super stable and you can do the upshift into 3rd on T1 and T-last (same as the Supra and Alfa) since the gears are super short. I think I am going to use it some more. Give it a shot in some TT/quali laps.

I also want to try the Viper now as well.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Do it. The Citroen surprised me. it's super stable and you can do the upshift into 3rd on T1 and T-last (same as the Supra and Alfa) since the gears are super short. I think I am going to use it some more. Give it a shot in some TT/quali laps.

I also want to try the Viper now as well.

The Viper likes that upshift-thing, too. Well, at least I've just done it. 😇

 

[Bullwinkle]

I decided to do Race A for the first time this week with only about 20 miles of practice. I started on pole but second stayed ghosted yet racing the entire time and just drove through my car like it was nothing. Is this a hacker that should be reported or just a new glitch? I have the video saved but if it's a glitch that happened to others then I don't think it needs uploaded. Either way I'm done racing this week in record time unless the hacker is banned or the glitch is fixed.

Same happened to me in a B race tonight. Very strange. I had a couple of ghosts in one race and from there on things worked normally.

I’ve seen a couple of instances in race B where a car was perpetually ghosted, but in both cases it was going so slow that I figured they had set the controller down to let the race finish. I’ve noticed, however, that ghosting is lasting longer and a is lot more randomly enforced than before. It’s not at all predictable and it’s really annoying because you can’t predict who you can drive through and who you can’t, and I’ve also been passed through in traffic as I was hanging back to let a scuffle sort itself out.

Part of me appreciates not getting taken out by every single car that taps a wall or is bumped into me, but on the other hand why can’t PD ghost the idiots who keep punting me on the first and last turns?! Those guys are ruining my races.

[edit: forgot the quotes!]

 

[OJBrit]

Part of me appreciates not getting taken out by every single car that taps a wall or is bumped into me, but on the other hand why can’t PD ghost the idiots who keep punting me on the first and last turns?! Those guys are ruining my races.

You have to be in the bottom lobbies for that. By the time you make it to D DR they expect you to have some manners. Some drivers never grow up unfortunately.

 

[NevilleNobody]

The damage situation is really not working. You'd think it'd deter people from being idiots but apparently not and inevitably the idiot doesn't seem to suffer as much damage as the poor sod receiving the hit. Did 6 races last night and 5 I was limping around and relegated near last by morons trying to pass in impossible places.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

The damage situation is really not working. You'd think it'd deter people from being idiots but apparently not and inevitably the idiot doesn't seem to suffer as much damage as the poor sod receiving the hit. Did 6 races last night and 5 I was limping around and relegated near last by morons trying to pass in impossible places.

No, the damage thing doesn't do the trick. Changing back to the previous penalty system would help a bit, maybe.

 

[benjoi84]

Race B is living proof.

Some people really do have more cojones than brain power when it comes to finding a suitable overtaking opportunity at this Sardegna layout.

 

[D_Dragline]

The damage situation is really not working. You'd think it'd deter people from being idiots but apparently not and inevitably the idiot doesn't seem to suffer as much damage as the poor sod receiving the hit. Did 6 races last night and 5 I was limping around and relegated near last by morons trying to pass in impossible places.

No, the damage thing doesn't do the trick. Changing back to the previous penalty system would help a bit, maybe.

Time and time again this happens. There are so many posts in here that are along the lines of “just make this one simple change and it will improve the driving”.

It never does for very long. If the problem were simple to solve it would already be solved. The problem is that the dirty drivers can adapt. Whatever system you implement, exploits can and will be found. The best thing PD can do (short of completely redesigning the penalty and SR system) is to try and ensure they stay one step ahead and give the dirty drivers minimal time to adapt.

Edit: Maybe the answer is a randomly assigned set of penalty parameters? If you don’t know what will trigger a penalty in advance, you can’t exploit it and are better off trying to drive cleanly.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Time and time again this happens. There are so many posts in here that are along the lines of “just make this one simple change and it will improve the driving”.

Yeah right. It may help only so much until it's being exploited again. It was just my fading memory telling me that it was a bit better back then. At least it kept ME from doing dumb ****... 🤣

Another simple idea: What if in case of a two car collision only the faster car gets damage? Shouldn't be too hard to calculate by an algorithm. It could at least punish divebombing.

On the other hand, it would encourage blocking / brake checking 😬. Okay, it's not that easy to get it right.

 

[Bullwinkle]

The damage situation is really not working. You'd think it'd deter people from being idiots but apparently not and inevitably the idiot doesn't seem to suffer as much damage as the poor sod receiving the hit. Did 6 races last night and 5 I was limping around and relegated near last by morons trying to pass in impossible places.

No, the damage thing doesn't do the trick. Changing back to the previous penalty system would help a bit, maybe.

The damage is getting to be ridiculous. If their goal was to discourage wall riders, all they had to do was punish people who contact a wall for longer than half a second or something. Right now if I make an honest mistake or get shoved into a wall, my race is over. I lose ten seconds and then limp for thirty more and the offender MAYBE gets a two second penalty. Plus no matter how the contact is made I end up facing directly into the wall or backwards. Never facing straight ahead, even on sideswipes. That’s not equitable in any way.

Time and time again this happens. There are so many posts in here that are along the lines of “just make this one simple change and it will improve the driving”.

It never does for very long. If the problem were simple to solve it would already be solved. The problem is that the dirty drivers can adapt. Whatever system you implement, exploits can and will be found. The best thing PD can do (short of completely redesigning the penalty and SR system) is to try and ensure they stay one step ahead and give the dirty drivers minimal time to adapt.

Edit: Maybe the answer is a randomly assigned set of penalty parameters? If you don’t know what will trigger a penalty in advance, you can’t exploit it and are better off trying to drive cleanly.

In this case it’s not a matter of “one change to rule them all!” PD is trying to lead from behind when they overreacted to the original problem with the penalties. Too much criticism made them drop many of the penalties because they were “too harsh,” only to make the races horrible. They released a “why can’t we all just get along” safety video and then trimmed penalties even more! Then the wall riding exploit led to the excessive damage model with EVEN FEWER penalties, punishing the honest racers EVEN MORE! Now the aggro drivers have way more ways to manipulate the system.

Right now PD is punishing pretty much everyone involved in an incident with their damage model, ruining too many races for people getting in the crossfire. The original penalty system, while not totally balanced and probably over-penalizing everyone at once, at least gave people a chance to save their race. I remember a few months ago seeing the habitual rammers with 5 and 6 second penalties after the first lap while other innocents only lost half a second or something. I’d MUCH prefer this to what we have now.

If we get only one change, I vote for going back to the original system. It was flawed but at least gave people a chance. Everyone is getting penalized with excessive damage as it is, so let’s go back to an over-aggressive penalty system that doesn’t ruin races.

 

[Dairyworker]

Race A has devolved into chaos. An alien has started on the pole for the last 3 races, and slowed at the start to throw blows at BenRod.
I used to respect that guy, because of his super fast Q times. Now, he just looks like a knucklehead.

Seriously? Wtf!!! I've never seen @BenRod do anything to anyone that wasn't a receipt. Any idea why this is happening?

 

[NevilleNobody]

Race B is living proof.

Some people really do have more cojones than brain power when it comes to finding a suitable overtaking opportunity at this Sardegna layout.

People trying to pass through the esses in sector 1 are really not that bright. I had a fellow last night, he was trying to be clean, sorta, kinda got a run on me but I had the inside line into the entry, the left hander, i lifted a touch to leave him space but I knew what would happen next. He didn't have the skill set to reciprocate and pushed me tot he left as the esses turned right. So annoying, i lost like 20 seconds, it's insane.

 

[Talon16]

 

[BigSarj]

Admittedly I've only done the Daytona and Red Bull Ring races since the damage update and I don't see what the big deal is. And I have been on the short end of the stick a bunch of times. So far, so good. I've even touched the Daytona wall a few times without getting any damage, which goes against what I've read here; that the slightest graze will destroy your suspension.

Is every single race you guys are in rife with rammers? The people asking for the original penalty system again - are you sure the cycle won't start anew?

I like the damage. It offers a smidge of realism without sim-nerdifying the game.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I know I should be ranting😜, but... looks quite okay for me. Spa Gr4, maybe not an Alfa punt party?

 

[Pigems]

@Famine Is it still ok to post someone’s name within a photo, or video, to avoid typing it out in the post? So that it can’t be found/searched on Google(or other search engines).

 

[Famine]

@Famine Is it still ok to post someone’s name within a photo, or video, to avoid typing it out in the post? So that it can’t be found/searched on Google(or other search engines).

Yup!