GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[nukewells_OG]

Did they change the race c track limits? Or did I forget how to drive...

 

[RJ-RACING]

Well after 10 Race B’s tonight, 3x1st the rest 2nd or 3rd I’ve finally progressed from DR.B to DR.A happy with that! Roll on next week…

 

[Stilva]

My expectations for Race A next week...

The last time the tri-oval was a daily race I had a blast there so I'll do a bunch of racing there. I do plan on slapping a big bald eagle decal and American flags of some type on the Corvette going full 'Merica. I'll also be doing Suzuka as that's a favorite track of mine. I had a good time racing during the GTWS Test Season earlier in the year. Looking forward to that one for sure.

 

[Bullwinkle]

PREFACE: I hope I'm wrong about all of the following.

Agreed. I'm guessing somewhere around 3 minutes per lap (slightly longer, like you said), so a race less that 7 minutes seriously sucks. This week's B is around 7:40 or so, if memory serves, for us lowly mid-Bs, and it's just barely long enough. If they make us wait twice the length of each race between races, well, seriously SMH.

What the heck are they thinking over there? Let's take a game that can be fun in spite of its flaws, and do everything possible to sap the fun out of it just by making stupid decisions like this? I am honestly completely baffled. What possible excuse could they have to make it only 2 laps? I can't think of a single reason - none. Unless someone at PD just likes to **** with us. Honestly, what other possible explanation could there be?

I'm actually asking a serious question here - what possible reason could they use to justify this? Am I missing something here? Is there any more to making this 3 laps than to change a couple of parameters? Would it overload the servers or something? Doubtful, since the number of people racing is dwindling. I am totally and utterly baffled. And seriously bummed.

I hope to high heaven I'm missing something here. I'd love nothing more than to take all this back and say "Well done, PD. I was totally wrong!"

This is all I’ve been asking of late. Why in the world are they making these races LESS fun?! There are clearly fewer people racing them, so what’s the actual plan if it’s NOT to ruin the online part of the game completely?! I’m already convinced they’re using is as Guinea pigs to collect race data, which would explain the repetitive race setups. But to make them even less desirable in the process seems to be creating a death spiral.

Meanwhile we keep getting asked to be patient and plan for the long view with this game. For what? Daily races with three cars, and then twenty minute waits between heats?!

#Seriously PD, be better.

 

[Redneckchef]

While running some race C to repair my SR (I did get it back to S!!!) I noticed the usual problem of people spending all week practicing to blitza lightning qualifying time but not having any idea how to race. Plenty of people losing it if we were 2 wide and they werent on their preferred line. No idea how to follow or where to make passes. And still trying to push at 100pct qualifying pace instead of pulling back a smidge to keep it safe. Passed lots of people wrecking on the exit of mulsanne chicanes or corner, or the exit to Arnage. Lots of track limit penalties as well. That 2 second faster qualifying time isnt worth much when I'm starting 2 spots back and lapping a second a lap faster in the race.

 

[benjoi84]

@Bullwinkle what I don't understand is... Surely the test bed was GT Sport!

While running some race C to repair my SR (I did get it back to S!!!) I noticed the usual problem of people spending all week practicing to blitza lightning qualifying time but not having any idea how to race. Plenty of people losing it if we were 2 wide and they werent on their preferred line. No idea how to follow or where to make passes

This is one of my greatest sadnesses. I personally have put great effort into improving my skill level since the launch of GT Sport. I found that an increase in pace would generally come with a greater sense of race craft, hand-in-hand. The unfortunate thing is I don't think this applies to everyone, some are just blessed with incredible speed and absolutely no idea how to use it wisely.

 

[Talon16]

@Bullwinkle what I don't understand is... Surely the test bed was GT Sport!




This is one of my greatest sadnesses. I personally have put great effort into improving my skill level since the launch of GT Sport. I found that an increase in pace would generally come with a greater sense of race craft, hand-in-hand. The unfortunate thing is I don't think this applies to everyone, some are just blessed with incredible speed and absolutely no idea how to use it wisely.

It should be a requirement to even gain access to Sport mode. We already have to do license tests in order to even race against the AI (which do not prepare you for real, side-by-side racing), why not other people? People should have to do a license test to race in Sport mode that go over all the things we've all been complaining about.

Once you pass the tests, you can enter Sport. If your SR drops to C, you have to do all the tests again.

 

[Redneckchef]

@Bullwinkle what I don't understand is... Surely the test bed was GT Sport!




This is one of my greatest sadnesses. I personally have put great effort into improving my skill level since the launch of GT Sport. I found that an increase in pace would generally come with a greater sense of race craft, hand-in-hand. The unfortunate thing is I don't think this applies to everyone, some are just blessed with incredible speed and absolutely no idea how to use it wisely.

The other issue is people getting those laps with banzai lines and wild sends through corners that are completely hit or miss, and miss on the vast majority of tries. While in other races those extra positions at the start can be a huge benefit, this track is one of those where it doesn't work the same. Especially with the track limits, amount of slipstream and the fuel saving needed.

 

[Fezzik]

Bit disappointed the C8 race is on the oval. Car deserves better, it can actually go round corners.

 

[LVS_1986]

Bit disappointed the C8 race is on the oval. Car deserves better, it can actually go round corners.

1. American muscle car
2. Going round the corners

*pick one

 

[Mercia]

Meanwhile we keep getting asked to be patient and plan for the long view with this game. For what? Daily races with three cars, and then twenty minute waits between heats?!

#Seriously PD, be better.

Honestly hate the timing of the things, it's one of my biggest pet peeves with the game and has made me a little paranoid about time in general sometimes. Logging onto the game and realising it's on the hour or ten minute mark and I've likely just missed the start of a race and have at least a ten minute wait to another race, and if there's one I want to do specifically, finding there's a near 30 minute wait time as I've just missed the start by a few seconds...

When you have limited time to spend on the game it can get quite frustrating.

There's no reason for a 30 minute wait for a race at all. Especially when none of them are that long in gameplay time.

You do your waiting, you get into the race, and some a-hole smashes you off on lap 1 and ruins your run.. yeah I can see why people have given up on the game.

 

[OJBrit]

Bit disappointed the C8 race is on the oval. Car deserves better, it can actually go round corners.

There's at least 3 to navigate.

 

[Roggers]

I noticed that the Alfa seems to have more wheel spin, and sometimes acted like I just came off grass at times. I spun in a couple of spots where I have never spun before, and it really surprised me as the inputs were not any different than before the upgrade. BTW, I am on default ABS/ASM on/ TSC 0.

I’m not a huge fan of the 4wd cars to start with as I struggle to find the pace from them but yeah similar experience to what you’ve had. Car just felt really lightweight and had no grip into some corners.


Hopefully 🤞🏻 next weeks Daily B isn’t an Alpha 155 show again. Will be GTR for the long straights?

 

[shadow0460]

One thing I saw at Le Mans in Race C was a number of Porsche 919's. After my first race some drivers were unhappy. I think it might have had something to do with me pulling away from them after a few seconds and not needing a pit stop.
Any hybrid vehicle I've driven in game has a limited amount of electric power available. The 919 uses it to drive the front wheels. It charges naturally at high engine RPM's and while braking, but will not charge if the throttle is wide open.
Once these guys drained the batteries, I could dust them on FM6 in the 787B. They bumped me a few times, neat spinning me out in each race. I'm not sure that it was on purpose, it might have been an accident so no hard feelings here.
To keep from being bumped, I dropped my fuel map to 1 for a few seconds, just long enough for the traction batteries in the Porsches to die, then went back to 6.
I don't remember who all I raced. If you bumped M. Parker, that's me, and it's all good. I enjoyed racing with you this evening.

 

[hardvibes]

Wow. The last time I was in a multiplayer Daytona oval race in GT, it was 2008 or 2009. GT5 Prologue - Corvette C6.
I enjoyed the high speed drafting part. The ramming part, not so much.
Anyway I don't remember PD giving any in-race penalties for ramming recently. Am I wrong?
I'm also curious to see how they will handle wall contacts....

St. Croix. I don't know how I feel about it. Another 155 Cup?

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I admit it's fun to finish first in multiple races in a row, but...

... and I hate to say this out loud, but it would be fun for some competition too. 3 races in a row I got a lobby like this:

and even with me driving nowhere near the level my QT indicates, it's no challenge (except to keep my focus while my mind wants to wander). I checked one of the replays to see what was going on, thinking maybe there was a slugfest going on right behind me, but it's just poor driving (I'm not criticizing anyone specific - I drive poorly a lot of the time most of the time too).

I'm not sure what I'm complaining about - maybe I just needed to get this off my chest. I'd say that maybe I'm bragging, except it's not really something to brag about. Oh well, I'm sure I'll regret wishing for more competition the moment I hit the "post" button.

 

[Mercia]

I admit it's fun to finish first in multiple races in a row, but...
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... and I hate to say this out loud, but it would be fun for some competition too. 3 races in a row I got a lobby like this:
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and even with me driving nowhere near the level my QT indicates, it's no challenge (except to keep my focus while my mind wants to wander). I checked one of the replays to see what was going on, thinking maybe there was a slugfest going on right behind me, but it's just poor driving (I'm not criticizing anyone specific - I drive poorly a lot of the time most of the time too).

I'm not sure what I'm complaining about - maybe I just needed to get this off my chest. I'd say that maybe I'm bragging, except it's not really something to brag about. Oh well, I'm sure I'll regret wishing for more competition the moment I hit the "post" button.

Relish those moments, there'll be times you will wish you could even get a whiff of a top 5 for many races in a row.

At my best I'm a mid pack runner somewhere in the DR B mix, when I get there it loses its fun factor very quickly.

I will milk it for all it's worth it might not come back around for months

 

[GaugeForever]

I admit it's fun to finish first in multiple races in a row, but...
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... and I hate to say this out loud, but it would be fun for some competition too. 3 races in a row I got a lobby like this:
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and even with me driving nowhere near the level my QT indicates, it's no challenge (except to keep my focus while my mind wants to wander). I checked one of the replays to see what was going on, thinking maybe there was a slugfest going on right behind me, but it's just poor driving (I'm not criticizing anyone specific - I drive poorly a lot of the time most of the time too).

I'm not sure what I'm complaining about - maybe I just needed to get this off my chest. I'd say that maybe I'm bragging, except it's not really something to brag about. Oh well, I'm sure I'll regret wishing for more competition the moment I hit the "post" button.

Don't complain, the racers in this split will ram your helmet right off because there are no contact penalties outside of a single corner. Also, not sure what you want when you are more than a second a lap faster than everyone else. You're also DR B, complain when you're in the top lobbies and this is still happening. Let the system work itself out, if you're better, you'll move up. I also refuse to believe you're driving poorly with that qualifying time as you claim, this comes off as a massive humble brag, and I think you know that which is why you attempted to be like "I'm not bragging".

EDIT: Edited to be more anon and not name a specific person. P.S. we are in the same split and I'm close to your qualifying time, I'll try to improve my times and hopefully we'll see each other in races. I just ask that if we're in the same corner you leave space as most in this split don't I think a lot of the better drivers in our split are avoiding daily B because of the issues with penalties and this track that have been listed multiple times in this thread this week. Almost a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy. Daily C seems to have a lot of the better people in our split so you might try that if you have the time.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

At my best I'm a mid pack runner somewhere in the DR B mix, when I get there it loses its fun factor very quickly.

I hear you!

Don't complain, the racers in this split will ram your helmet right off because there are no contact penalties outside of a single corner.

Yep, just found that out. I most certainly will ram back, but still...

we are in the same split and I'm close to your qualifying time, I'll try to improve my times and hopefully we'll see each other in races.

Yes, definitely. Is this your racing name?

I just ask that if we're in the same corner you leave space as most in this split don't

Always, unless you bully your way in by using me as a brake (which I'm sure you wouldn't do intentionally).

I think a lot of the better drivers in our split are avoiding daily B because of the issues with penalties and this track that have been listed multiple times in this thread this week. Almost a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy

You may be right.

Daily C seems to have a lot of the better people in our split so you might try that if you have the time.

The problem for me with Daily Race C is that it's too long for my ADD-rattled brain. I can't stay focused that long. I wish I could!

 

[GaugeForever]

Yes, definitely. Is this your racing name?

This is my PSN name, my nickname in game is Gauge. I shouldn't be hard to find I'm not as fast as you, maybe you can give me some pointers.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I admit it's fun to finish first in multiple races in a row, but...
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... and I hate to say this out loud, but it would be fun for some competition too. 3 races in a row I got a lobby like this:
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and even with me driving nowhere near the level my QT indicates, it's no challenge (except to keep my focus while my mind wants to wander). I checked one of the replays to see what was going on, thinking maybe there was a slugfest going on right behind me, but it's just poor driving (I'm not criticizing anyone specific - I drive poorly a lot of the time most of the time too).

I'm not sure what I'm complaining about - maybe I just needed to get this off my chest. I'd say that maybe I'm bragging, except it's not really something to brag about. Oh well, I'm sure I'll regret wishing for more competition the moment I hit the "post" button.

You’re in that position where you’re going to get a little bored for a while, but then you’ll suddenly find yourself in A lobbies. When that happens you’ll find new challenges as you follow the field trying to catch up! You’ll bump back down to B, win a few, and bounce back up to A, at which point you’ll meet the A/A drivers who will flat out slaughter you just to gain a position and not lose their rating. It’ll feel the same as the B lobby but you won’t be good enough to get your revenge. You’ll probably bounce back down to B/B lobbies as you realize you tried to fight back a bit too much, and then you’ll fight to get back to better B lobbies and then you’ll be A/S again. It’s maddening! And fun!

I’m now well into A but I’ve quit racing for a while until they sort out the penalty system because I’m just sick of the bad sportsmanship that is incentivized with the current system. It ceased to be fun when I got stuck in the B/B lobbies and I felt like I was in a death spiral.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

I shouldn't be hard to find I'm not as fast as you, maybe you can give me some pointers.

Great - I'll look for you although I'm not great at chatting - I'm too slow even though I have a keyboard! As far as giving you pointers, two things: 1) I'm seriously sucking right now - I can't get within a second of my fastest QT, and I'm ever worse during an actual race, so you may not want my advice! 2) I replay one of the top QT laps, and record it. Then I keep going back to it during Qualifying to see what they do differently. I'll even pause my Q lap and skim the video, then resume my Q lap. It seriously helps.

You’re in that position where you’re going to get a little bored for a while, but then you’ll suddenly find yourself in A lobbies. When that happens you’ll find new challenges as you follow the field trying to catch up! You’ll bump back down to B, win a few, and bounce back up to A, at which point you’ll meet the A/A drivers who will flat out slaughter you just to gain a position and not lose their rating. It’ll feel the same as the B lobby but you won’t be good enough to get your revenge. You’ll probably bounce back down to B/B lobbies as you realize you tried to fight back a bit too much, and then you’ll fight to get back to better B lobbies and then you’ll be A/S again. It’s maddening! And fun!

So what you're saying is, it's a vicious cycle and I should get used to it. I can live with that.

I’m now well into A but I’ve quit racing for a while until they sort out the penalty system because I’m just sick of the bad sportsmanship that is incentivized with the current system. It ceased to be fun when I got stuck in the B/B lobbies and I felt like I was in a death spiral.

I hear you. Someone made a post, I think yesterday but possibly the day before, about changing our expectations. To the point that sometimes, just surviving can be considered a victory. I like that kind of thinking. I watched a YouTube video the other day about someone designing something complex, and he said basically the same thing - sometimes rather than get it perfect, you have to change your expectations. It sounds good, but we'll see if I can put it into practice. Good luck to you!

 

[shadow0460]

While running some race C to repair my SR (I did get it back to S!!!) I noticed the usual problem of people spending all week practicing to blitza lightning qualifying time but not having any idea how to race. Plenty of people losing it if we were 2 wide and they werent on their preferred line. No idea how to follow or where to make passes. And still trying to push at 100pct qualifying pace instead of pulling back a smidge to keep it safe. Passed lots of people wrecking on the exit of mulsanne chicanes or corner, or the exit to Arnage. Lots of track limit penalties as well. That 2 second faster qualifying time isnt worth much when I'm starting 2 spots back and lapping a second a lap faster in the race.

The Porsche drivers were terrible about this. I don't think they understand how the car works.
Yeah, you can rent a car for the race, but I think you have to buy the car, tune it, retune it, and take it to different tracks and events to really learn how it works. The 919 works better for me on tight, twisty tracks. For open tracks like Le Mans, you don't need four wheel drive or the boost unless you're passing, then the boost is nice. I ran FM6 on most of my C races and changed to FM1 to pass. I blazed by six 919's in my last race and several in the race before. I was accused of racing "dirty" (not that I care about an accusation). It ain't dirty, heck after defending just once I'd let them pass at 225 mph, then steer to one side and barrel in by them when their KERS ran out of power.

 

[hollowkatt]

The Porsche drivers were terrible about this. I don't think they understand how the car works.
Yeah, you can rent a car for the race, but I think you have to buy the car, tune it, retune it, and take it to different tracks and events to really learn how it works. The 919 works better for me on tight, twisty tracks. For open tracks like Le Mans, you don't need four wheel drive or the boost unless you're passing, then the boost is nice. I ran FM6 on most of my C races and changed to FM1 to pass. I blazed by six 919's in my last race and several in the race before. I was accused of racing "dirty" (not that I care about an accusation). It ain't dirty, heck after defending just once I'd let them pass at 225 mph, then steer to one side and barrel in by them when their KERS ran out of power.

lol yeah
I like letting them blow past me and then blowing past them from Arnage to the first Mulsanne chicane. Then we fight for a straight, then they pass, then I catch them again. It's a good time!

 

[D_Dragline]

The Porsche drivers were terrible about this. I don't think they understand how the car works.
Yeah, you can rent a car for the race, but I think you have to buy the car, tune it, retune it, and take it to different tracks and events to really learn how it works. The 919 works better for me on tight, twisty tracks. For open tracks like Le Mans, you don't need four wheel drive or the boost unless you're passing, then the boost is nice. I ran FM6 on most of my C races and changed to FM1 to pass. I blazed by six 919's in my last race and several in the race before. I was accused of racing "dirty" (not that I care about an accusation). It ain't dirty, heck after defending just once I'd let them pass at 225 mph, then steer to one side and barrel in by them when their KERS ran out of power.

The Porsche is objectively the best car for this combo. While the 787 blows them away on Mulsanne, the Porsche is better almost everywhere else. Including fuel saving.

The only times I’ve had any trouble outrunning a 787 has been when they drive dirty and swerve block in the Porsche curves. If they just hold defensive lines you can easily blow by on the outside.

 

[Talon16]

I've done exactly zero races this week as all the combos are not for me. I did take the 919 to Sarthe and do a load of quali laps just for fun and see how I would compare (and there was nothing else in the game that interest me).

Ended up with a 3:16.124 which was a bit frustrating not getting into the 15s as I know I had the pace but putting a full lap together just wasn't happening. I think it's like 350th on the list so must've been alright. Wish I knew what place it was in only considering the 919 times but whatever.... I won't be using it anyway.

 

[Mercia]

Incidentally, I realised I didn't own the 919, was sure I had bought it but either way.

On GTS I did actually buy it to compete in one of the GTWS events I think, for £2.50.

If I wanted to do the same on GT7, and if the same price I possibly would have, but it's going to be £24...

Love to know how that was justified internally. IT makes sure there's 0 chance I'd spend money in game, despite buying 6 or 7 on GTS because the prices seemed negligible to me.

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

I've done exactly zero races this week as all the combos are not for me. I did take the 919 to Sarthe and do a load of quali laps just for fun and see how I would compare (and there was nothing else in the game that interest me).

Ended up with a 3:16.124 which was a bit frustrating not getting into the 15s as I know I had the pace but putting a full lap together just wasn't happening. I think it's like 350th on the list so must've been alright. Wish I knew what place it was in only considering the 919 times but whatever.... I won't be using it anyway.

Same here. Luckily I found a casual weekly racing lobby. ( which is some of the most challenging and or out right fun. It’s a good feeling when you can race it for pace and know that nobody’s gonna take you out on purpose. Check out TPC DRWF On this site, all drivers are welcome 🍻

 

[D_Dragline]

One thing I saw at Le Mans in Race C was a number of Porsche 919's. After my first race some drivers were unhappy. I think it might have had something to do with me pulling away from them after a few seconds and not needing a pit stop.
Any hybrid vehicle I've driven in game has a limited amount of electric power available. The 919 uses it to drive the front wheels. It charges naturally at high engine RPM's and while braking, but will not charge if the throttle is wide open.
Once these guys drained the batteries, I could dust them on FM6 in the 787B. They bumped me a few times, neat spinning me out in each race. I'm not sure that it was on purpose, it might have been an accident so no hard feelings here.
To keep from being bumped, I dropped my fuel map to 1 for a few seconds, just long enough for the traction batteries in the Porsches to die, then went back to 6.
I don't remember who all I raced. If you bumped M. Parker, that's me, and it's all good. I enjoyed racing with you this evening.

Btw, the 919 does charge with throttle wide open. You can literally watch the battery recharging on Mulsanne. I’m not sure why you think it doesn’t.

 

[bone_tone]

Btw, the 919 does charge with throttle wide open. You can literally watch the battery recharging on Mulsanne. I’m not sure why you think it doesn’t.

Yes, it looks strange that doesn't it - I'm more used to seeing hybrids discharge on full throttle, and recharge when lifting or braking!