GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[NevilleNobody]

There were! Supra and 911 got significant nerfs, along with a fair few changes to other cars.

Different BoP's for different track speeds have also finally been reintroduced, they were all the same since the MR physics update.

Details here: https://gt-engine.com/gt7/cars/gr3/gr3-01-specs.html

Damn, that really hurts, i rely on that SUpra. Damn.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Anyone find that in the new update the cars drive a little different now?
Tried to set a lap on Daily B and the 4WD feel really difficult to drive now. Could be more likely that I can’t drive the track backwards.

I drove Daily Race B just fine yesterday (in the Alfa) after the update. And I set my best QT. Of course, I'm slower by a second this morning, but that's just my ineptitude.

 

[RJ-RACING]

Really enjoyed B at the moment. Got my quali time down to a 2:27:7 which is good enough for pole in my B/S lobbies. Going to grind out some more tonight and push for DR A. Question, if starting pole and finishes 3rd, do I still gain DR?

 

[RobertHammer]

this is what is needed to nerf those 4WD cars

 

[Talon16]

Really enjoyed B at the moment. Got my quali time down to a 2:27:7 which is good enough for pole in my B/S lobbies. Going to grind out some more tonight and push for DR A. Question, if starting pole and finishes 3rd, do I still gain DR?

Your DR gain/loss has nothing to do with where you start or how many people you pass/people pass you. Simply what your DR is compared to those who finish in front of you and who you finish in front of. You're all stealing DR from one-another, and the amount you gain/lose depends on your DR delta/difference to theirs.

 

[sturk0167]

A typo maybe? St Croix isn't that long.

Version A is 5.89 miles.
The race is overall shorter than the current B race.
Should plenty of time for 3 laps.

Next week's race A at Daytona will only be about 6 minutes.

 

[TheOneDonJuan]

There were! Supra and 911 got significant nerfs, along with a fair few changes to other cars.

Different BoP's for different track speeds have also finally been reintroduced, they were all the same since the MR physics update.

Details here: https://gt-engine.com/gt7/cars/gr3/gr3-01-specs.html

Was hoping they'd buff the 155 in this update. Poor thing only has 95% usage in the Gr4 races.

 

[LVS_1986]

Decent going in Daily Race C yesterday despite a 1,0 sec penalty. I think I finished like P8 on Wednesday for this one after a silly 3 sec penalty. But yeah solid race pace and even beat some A+ rated drivers. While I am not the best qualifier at Le Mans, the race pace is there with this combo. I think I had a P9 to P2 result a while back in the GR010 Nations Cup race months ago. Not too difficult to fuel save, just short shift a bunch with fuel map 1.

Did also one Race A but that was a snoozefest with the differing tunes and car capabilities. P2 to P2 with big gaps to P1 and P3. Seems to be a big issue in these pp based races, not the first time it happens 🥱🤔 But anyway, should be fun next week. Will have to see if I do race B or not, tough track to get right with the wide lines.

I was in that race, "Samppa" sounds familiar, now I know why...

 

[Bullwinkle]

Two laps for race B. Two!

Race C is nice though. Mandatory pitstop. Not sure how long Sainte-Croix takes in a GR4 car.

Didn’t we just do St. Croix in Gr4 a couple months ago? It was a GT-R race then, but two laps?! Hopefully it will be four races in an hour this way, rather than waiting ten minutes between races? Oh God please don’t let this suck.

I guess it doesn’t matter all that much to me though as I’ll be spending l my time on Race C anyway.

 

[Fezzik]

Didn’t we just do St. Croix in Gr4 a couple months ago? It was a GT-R race then, but two laps?! Hopefully it will be four races in an hour this way, rather than waiting ten minutes between races? Oh God please don’t let this suck.

I guess it doesn’t matter all that much to me though as I’ll be spending l my time on Race C anyway.

We had gr4s at Sainte-Croix B (a shorter course) and it was the usual AWD-fest

 

[Talon16]

Just watching Wind's stream. He setup a lobby for some T&E for race C. He's thinking either GTR will be the best car.

 

[NevilleNobody]

this is what is needed to nerf those 4WD cars

Who would have though that adding some weight and reducing the power would bring AWD cars with more grip back to the level of the RWD cars?

It's so stupid, not the video but PD's absolute inability to fix this category.

 

[RobertHammer]

Who would have though that adding some weight and reducing the power would bring AWD cars with more grip back to the level of the RWD cars?
It's so stupid, not the video but PD's absolute inability to fix this category.

Yea , funny is that the Genesis G70 gr.4 car isnt so op like at all but WRX and 155 are
sooner or later PD has to fix this or buff all other cars instead xD

 

[samppa_944]

Your DR gain/loss has nothing to do with where you start or how many people you pass/people pass you. Simply what your DR is compared to those who finish in front of you and who you finish in front of. You're all stealing DR from one-another, and the amount you gain/lose depends on your DR delta/difference to theirs.

Yes and I would add to that the fact that if you are matched against similar DR drivers, DR tends to go up when you finish 7th or better, and tends to go down when you finish 9th or worse (in a 16 player lobby).

 

[newb1017]

Anyone find that in the new update the cars drive a little different now?
Tried to set a lap on Daily B and the 4WD feel really difficult to drive now. Could be more likely that I can’t drive the track backwards.

I noticed that the Alfa seems to have more wheel spin, and sometimes acted like I just came off grass at times. I spun in a couple of spots where I have never spun before, and it really surprised me as the inputs were not any different than before the upgrade. BTW, I am on default ABS/ASM on/ TSC 0.

 

[NevilleNobody]

This guy was all nice in the lobby and apologetic etc but hit me damn near EVERY race. If he was so sorry he would have slowed after punting me off for the win. I don't really care as it is Race A but really.

 

[hollowkatt]

I drove Daily Race B just fine yesterday (in the Alfa) after the update. And I set my best QT. Of course, I'm slower by a second this morning, but that's just my ineptitude.

I just ran a QT 2 full seconds faster than yesterday. I'm not 2 full seconds better than I was yesterday

 

[Bullwinkle]

As written before, I've done most of my actual races on my "i-don't-care"-account. I had some mildly enjoyable races, some good results, and some bad ones, due to the usual stuff. My impression is that, due to the lack of penalties, many drivers don't even drive dirty intentionally. They just think it's the way to do it - others do it, too, and there's no consequences (except, maybe, some DR points lost). In one race I had a battle over the whole distance, with several overtakes back and forth, with an english, let's say: gentleman, who constantly pushed and shoved me to pass, or to stop my overtaking attempts, but never so egregiously that I would have met Barry R. or gone onto the grass. He just seemed to think it's all okay, as long as you don't send the opponent completely off-track. That seems to be the mindset that PD is creating with its bad, or rather non-existent penalty system. Self-policing doesn't work at all.

I almost set up an alt account, but I decided not to because of the alter-ego I’d have to train to drive like a monster just to survive in the lower lobbies. I don’t want to have to reinforce some bad habits that will affect my driving in the A lobbies.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Really enjoyed B at the moment. Got my quali time down to a 2:27:7

I'm enjoying it also. You've got my 1:29:094 beat, for sure!

Version A is 5.89 miles.
The race is overall shorter than the current B race.
Should plenty of time for 3 laps.

Are you saying that you think it's actually 3 laps, or are you complaining (as am I) that it should be longer than 2 laps?

 

[hollowkatt]

I'm enjoying it also. You've got my 1:29:094 beat, for sure!

Are you saying that you think it's actually 3 laps, or are you complaining (as am I) that it should be longer than 2 laps?

complaining that it should be longer. I ran some testing this morning using my tuned WRX on RS tires and was lapping in the 3:08:xx range and I know that could be faster as I don't know this circuit at all. Obvs BOP happens and obvs RH is slower than RS but even then if you know the circuit well I expect laps about 3:10 or lower, so assume about 8 minutes or so for the race.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

PREFACE: I hope I'm wrong about all of the following.

complaining that it should be longer.

Agreed. I'm guessing somewhere around 3 minutes per lap (slightly longer, like you said), so a race less that 7 minutes seriously sucks. This week's B is around 7:40 or so, if memory serves, for us lowly mid-Bs, and it's just barely long enough. If they make us wait twice the length of each race between races, well, seriously SMH.

What the heck are they thinking over there? Let's take a game that can be fun in spite of its flaws, and do everything possible to sap the fun out of it just by making stupid decisions like this? I am honestly completely baffled. What possible excuse could they have to make it only 2 laps? I can't think of a single reason - none. Unless someone at PD just likes to **** with us. Honestly, what other possible explanation could there be?

I'm actually asking a serious question here - what possible reason could they use to justify this? Am I missing something here? Is there any more to making this 3 laps than to change a couple of parameters? Would it overload the servers or something? Doubtful, since the number of people racing is dwindling. I am totally and utterly baffled. And seriously bummed.

I hope to high heaven I'm missing something here. I'd love nothing more than to take all this back and say "Well done, PD. I was totally wrong!"

 

[NevilleNobody]

No one is actually overseeing it, it's all automated.

 

[Mercia]

I am totally and utterly baffled. And seriously bummed.

I hope to high heaven I'm missing something here. I'd love nothing more than to take all this back and say "Well done, PD. I was totally wrong!"

You can now officially consider yourself a Gt Planet member

 

[Nebuc72]

My guess is they are making B short to appeal to casuals. It's the only somewhat sane thing I can think of, that perhaps they think a 6 or 7 lap race will put new players off.

In which case, they need to overhaul the entire daily system because it's just not working out. What the hell is Race A for in that situation? It should either be THE tuning race, or THE "fun" race, but it flip flops between the two constantly and I think B is taking a battering as a result because PD are wanting it to be the "approachable" competitive race when it should actually just be a decently lengthed Sprint race.

The whole system is just looking like it's bombing at the moment. A being road car/tuning, B being a 15 minute sprint and C being a 25 minute strategy race was a fine combination. Whatever experiments they are trying are just driving people away.

 

[NAXEHT]

7-8 minute daily B’s don’t drive me away. Gr.4 does though.

 

[benjoi84]

Managed expectations:

It won't be fair, it won't be just, it won't make sense, there is no indication it will get better, and I am more likely to lose places due to poor sportsmanship than any mistake I make. I am going to get punted, pitted and generally harassed by ians regardless of their QT, I will be thrown in the middle of players who have deep-seeded resentments against someone else in the lobby and I'll get caught in the middle, and player _ seems to have settled into a day of yucking everyone's yum.

With this mindset, every race is perfect!

I have literally climbed mountains just to experience a dozen perfect turns in powder under a blue sky. That's hours of agony for seconds of glory. It's the same for dailies, I am looking for 2 or 3 laps of clean, competitive racing and I'll put up with hours of suffering to get it.

I was on the dopamine highway a couple days ago in the B race in the GTR, racing with a Porsche and Megane, fighting for P12. It was beautiful racing until the ______ian, coming off a 4 second penalty, entered the battle on the final lap in their 155, then, well you know how that ended up. I lose 4 positions and the next race I see I have also lost DR?? Given my expectations, it was a perfect race!

This is possibly one of the best posts I've seen on here

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I almost set up an alt account, but I decided not to because of the alter-ego I’d have to train to drive like a monster just to survive in the lower lobbies. I don’t want to have to reinforce some bad habits that will affect my driving in the A lobbies.

I don't think you'll have to drive like a monster. You should have good qualifying results to start from a good grid position and stay ahead of most of the trouble.

 

[nukewells_OG]

I don't think you'll have to drive like a monster. You should have good qualifying results to start from a good grid position and stay ahead of most of the trouble.

I set mine up a couple weeks ago. 13 races with 11 wins to get to B/S. Only completely taken out one race.

 

[hollowkatt]

I don't think you'll have to drive like a monster. You should have good qualifying results to start from a good grid position and stay ahead of most of the trouble.

that works great until some wanker in the 4th row decides to use you as a brake instead of the ones installed in their car. I've been straight up punted out of 1st by someone in 4th or lower quite a few times and not because I'm slow and bad.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

I drove Daily Race B just fine yesterday (in the Alfa) after the update. And I set my best QT. Of course, I'm slower by a second this morning, but that's just my ineptitude.

I tried some more Q laps and had the feeling that it's a tiny bit more slidy than before. But maybe that was just my imagination. In the end I got into a flow, was able to incrementally improve my Q time to a 2:27:9 or so. Quite happy with that.