GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[s0cks]

While a planed overtake, preferably by getting a better exit is a nice way to pass, out raking people is probably about 50% of real racing.
There's a tremendous lot of people doing what we call dive bombs in GT, but a dive bomb is when someone brakes later, goes inside and [bold] can't make the corner without the other car as a barrier [/bold]
If it's the outside car that turns in on the inside car it's lack of situational awareness and the blame is on the outside car.
I am welcome to the apex when there's no one there, but it's not automatically my corner because I was ahead at the start of the braking zone.
If the inside car doesn't leave room on the outside exiting the corner the blame is on the inside car.
Always leave space.
Don't leave the door open if you don't want anyone to try and pass, that way forcing them to overtake on the outside OR plan for getting a better exit and pass on the straight.

If you want to lunge should make it clear by taking the inside line before the corner.

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[s0cks]

Sorry but I don't think you understood. The corner is a hairpin, the driver in front took the regular racing line, which is outside-inside-outside. It is a heavy braking zone and they braked so early that contact was going to happen before any space on the outside opened up. So my options are to go onto the grass on the outside (which could have still easily resulted in contact), simply make contact with the back of their car (which would have caused them to hit the driver in front of them), or dive into the only on-track space available which was on the inside.

There was no option to take a different line, yes I am the driver behind but as soon as the drivers in front make the mistake of braking too early, and 10metres is significantly early, there is literally nothing I can do, by the time I react to it we have already reached the correct braking point and it is too late for me to not overshoot the driver in front. I am trying to overtake these players, this is a 5 lap sprint and I do not have the liberty of being patient on a track which really only has two good opportunities to overtake each lap.

Should I have slowed down even earlier? Technically this was an option but my point which you have overlooked is that in B DR lobbies players are going to make unexpected mistakes. Me not braking even earlier you could argue is a mistake but it still doesn't mean that I was recklessly divebombing up the inside. Which is the point of my post, sometimes these contacts which feel intentional or irresponsible are simple racing incidents where neither driver is really to blame. As I said, I did actually brake slightly before the actual braking point, and in race conditions I am having to spend as much energy defending my position from the driver behind as I am on overtaking the driver in front.

It's ironic that you say that it's fair that the driver did not anticipate the overtake, because in the exact same race I myself braked slightly too early going into the same corner, and by keeping an eye on the radar I observed that the driver behind had braked slightly too late and had moved up my inside as it was the best option to avoid contact. Observing that this driver was now on my inside I proceeded to give space by taking a wider line. Contact was avoided and we were still side by side going into turn 1 on the next lap, where space was once again given to each other. If we make contact is it the other driver's fault? Doesn't really matter that much when it's me who's being spun off by the contact.

My point is that drivers are going to make mistakes, they are going to get close to one another while trying to overtake, and it is irresponsible to just take the racing line through every corner and cry foul if anyone ever makes contact with you from behind.

Without seeing a clip I'm just guessing. We all make mistakes and perhaps it was entirely unavoidable. I guess the take away is always "what could i have done to avoid that situation". If its genuinely nothing, that's ok. I just feel like more often then not there is always something we can do.

Check out the above article I linked.

 

[MrMattAdz]

Without seeing a clip I'm just guessing. We all make mistakes and perhaps it was entirely unavoidable. I guess the take away is always "what could i have done to avoid that situation". If its genuinely nothing, that's ok. I just feel like more often then not there is always something we can do.

Haha but that's literally my point. Driver in front made a mistake, I probably made a mistake in not being more cautious, but when we colide the driver in front perceives it as a reckless divebomb and thinks I did it on purpose. Sometimes it's genuinely just a racing incident, the kind that inevitably happens in close racing.

Was just making the point as I've seen it happen several times where someone complains in the post race chat and when you watch it back, half the time that driver did as much as the driver behind to cause a collision. Not saying that the penalty system is perfect but a lot of the time when someone 'crashes' into someone else and doesn't get a penalty, it's often because the game doesn't see anything wrong with what they were doing.

 

[xMAXIx79]

I did 3 races on C today with very little time to practice and to ride a good qualification.
And I don't particularly like this track.

But the first race started great from 11th and finished 6th. I drive my Tom's there. I know (again) the Peugeot META, but I don't want to buy it yet because I don't like it that much.

The 2 races after that were pure hell, the drivers were very unfair.
The driver in the last race was particularly conspicuous and really mean, and not only to me. I caught him again after a few laps and was only about 6 seconds behind him and the 2 others he was also dueling with. He pushed others out and kept ramming them.
Why he got a lot of penalties...
Finally I got past him without having to have contact with him again.

But he spun me out very hard in lap 3, which alone gave me a total of 11 seconds as a penalty.
He rammed me into another vehicle in the first corner, then pushed further, distanced himself a little and again rammed the rear of my car from the side. As a result, I hit another vehicle again and then to the left and head-on into the gang.
Being punished so harshly for that is very exaggerated.
I could follow the counting up of punishments closely.
+Vehicle contact 5 seconds
+Vehicle contact 3 seconds
+Leaving the track 1.5 seconds
+Touch the gang 1.5 seconds

To make matters worse, my car was badly damaged afterwards, so I was slower and down in the dip I spun in the left-hand bend because a damaged car is extremely unstable.
So I lost at least 30-40 seconds to that one really mean driver.
I was at the bottom and fought my way back to 9th place.

It's very difficult for me to keep calm, or after that I'm not calm at all and my thoughts and my way of expressing myself would then really be punishable.
I definitely can't develop a sporty "**** Happens" thought.
At least I managed to stay fair to the rest of the field and pass them cleanly, putting me in SR. S stayed.

 

[s0cks]

Haha but that's literally my point. Driver in front made a mistake, I probably made a mistake in not being more cautious, but when we colide the driver in front perceives it as a reckless divebomb and thinks I did it on purpose. Sometimes it's genuinely just a racing incident, the kind that inevitably happens in close racing.

Was just making the point as I've seen it happen several times where someone complains in the post race chat and when you watch it back, half the time that driver did as much as the driver behind to cause a collision. Not saying that the penalty system is perfect but a lot of the time when someone 'crashes' into someone else and doesn't get a penalty, it's often because the game doesn't see anything wrong with what they were doing.

Oh for sure. I've often been hit too, thinking it is malicious and on replay I can tell they just made an error of judgement. Mistake happen all the time.

Just feel in GT7 it's super important to not hit the car in front cus damn those penalties are steep. It wasn't the same in GTS.

 

[Duppy Gee]

It really bugs me how there is no brake balance with BOP. It just makes even more cars uncompetitive.

If you don't use ABS, you have to brake earlier than everyone else to prevent locking. They need to bring brake balance back.

 

[Haverstaken]

The guy knew what he was doing, driving out of the track like that after the contact haha.
I remember that for some time, it was like this in GT Sport.. people would drive into you and then go out, to force a penalty.

It's been decent, except for the usual Brazilian interference. Love to lose the CRB for avoiding a dive bomb, sport never changes.

See you in the track 😂

 

[cowboyjon]

Well, gt7 finally has its hooks into me, thanks to bop returning.

I've went from back of the grid, to the front and everywhere in between.

I've won a race and would've won at least three more had it not been for shunters and bunters.

I've won clean races that haven't even given me enough credits to buy a set of tyres...

... All these things will be lost, like tear drops in the rain.

 

[football5699]

Things we learned today:

Needs to be an Idle kick. People parked on the start/finish in the Kart race from the beginning which is forcing yellow flags in the only overtaking sector on the entire track. Got 2 (!!!!) separate penalties for overtaking under yellows that cost me at least a P2.

Ridiculous.

Edit: My overtakes were usually due to people on their way off the circuit or fighting for grip out of the chicane, but sometimes it's even just a normal overtake because I got a better run out the chicane...

 

[BigSarj]

Meta the new in word is it, all i see people mentioning now, thought that was the name of the new facebook?.

Don't quote me on this but I initially learned the term in a competitive shooter game as an acronym for Most Effective Tactic Available.

 

[rivermandrake]

I'm always wary of blaming the 'victim', but sometimes a collision with someone who is behind you can actually be caused by yourself. That's why I always recommend watching the replay back after the race to see if you can identify anything you can do differently next time round. Even if it was the other driver's fault, there is often something you could have done differently to mitigate the risk of being crashed into.

Let's use an example from one of my races the other day, Manu series Gr.3 race at Deep Forest. That hairpin right before the start/finish straight can be difficult to get through cleanly if there are multiple drivers going in at the same time. In my case, I was forth in a train of four cars. Unfortunately, first place started to brake some 10 metres before they needed to, which caused everyone else to also brake too early. I was at the back of this train and was the only driver who braked at the right point, not expecting the others to brake so early, as a result I was obviously moving faster (but not too fast) into the corner than everyone else. At this point, my options are to either smack into the back of the car in front, or dive inside and hope that the car on the outside will spot me and won't try and turn in on me. Unfortunately, after I dived inside, the other driver did not spot me and ended up making contact which caused them to lose another place.

In this situation I haven't really done anything wrong, I have braked at the right spot (in fact I was actually slightly early because of the other drivers) and have done all I can, bar running my car off the track, to avoid contact. But in that moment, the driver I have made contact with perceives my actions as a reckless dive bomb. In reality there was nothing malicious about the contact and it was simply caused by a small mistake, the kind of mistake which is to be expected in a B DR lobby.

If the driver in front had attempted to defend the inside of the corner, as they should have been doing, I would have happily gone round the outside and attempted to cleanly overtake, and there probably wouldn't have been any contact.

I'm not saying there is no such thing as intentional bumping, but I think we’d all be better off if we took a more considered perspective to contact to identify if there is anything you as a driver could be doing to mitigate it. Braking too early into the corner might appear harmless but if you do so and follow the racing line, what is the driver behind supposed to do if they brake correctly? There are loads of similar scenarios where the driver behind can find themselves in a situation where it is impossible to avoid contact even if they desperately want to.

Just wanted to say I really appreciate this write up, it's a valuable perspective which I will use to learn from.

 

[graesand]

The karting in sport mode must be the closest thing to mariokart in GT history.

I can see it so clearly. People on controllers praising the ffb and physics. Ah yes. Never go full mariokart.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

I had it happen when i was the leader the other way around somehow.. I got tapped in the rear he wound up off the track and i got a 5 second penalty to ruin my race smh some of the penalties need to be reworked

Same old same old. I bet @Sven Jurgens can put the GTS update that brings this kind of penality.

Meta the new in word is it, all i see people mentioning now, thought that was the name of the new facebook?.

Don't quote me on this but I initially learned the term in a competitive shooter game as an acronym for Most Effective Tactic Available.

or
META for Most Effective Tool Available.

Just a question about Daily races and dynamic Weather (not about the rain). I see the sky is all dark in Brands Hatch, does it stays like that the whole race? or sometime it clear up and sometimes not.

Do you sometimes sign in and it's all bright and sunny instead of dark cloud?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Same old same old. I bet @Sven Jurgens can put the GTS update that brings this kind of penality.


or
META for Most Effective Tool Available.

Just a question about Daily races and dynamic Weather (not about the rain). I see the sky is all dark in Brands Hatch, does it stays like that the whole race? or sometime it clear up and sometimes not.

Do you sometimes sign in and it's all bright and sunny instead of dark cloud?

It varies a little, but always stays dry. The clouds are dynamic but no rain for Brand's hatch. Also no night, I'm watching the sun not go down further at 10x time compression (started at sunset, last it will go to) Time stopped after the sun went below the tree line, not getting darker.

Last week on Interlagos the sun would break through the clouds in different spots. It's overcast on Brand's but you do see differences. Never use shadows as brake markers again!

 

[Mc_Yavel]

It varies a little, but always stays dry. The clouds are dynamic but no rain for Brand's hatch. Also no night, I'm watching the sun not go down further at 10x time compression (started at sunset, last it will go to) Time stopped after the sun went below the tree line, not getting darker.

Last week on Interlagos the sun would break through the clouds in different spots. It's overcast on Brand's but you do see differences. Never use shadows as brake markers again!

Nice! Even if it's no rain race. You still can say races never look the same.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Nice! Even if it's no rain race. You still can say races never look the same.

Yep, it adds some nice variety when doing race after race. Maybe one day we can have real time and weather for the location like FS2020 does.

I'm setting up an endurance race on the mountain, I guess it never rains in Bathurst? No rain option.
Same for Tokyo South, yet Tokyo East does have rain like it did in GT Sport.
No sure if Spa has night, only 4 presets, I guess not.

There is a lot unfinished...

 

[Wes_GT7]

Heads up boys.. if you’re like me, be careful of running too many Kart races before trying to hop back into the other races… I ran Karts for 2-3 hours and then hopped into race B with no practice and it was like I’ve never driven in my life lol.. guess the wine with dinner probably didn’t help but still 😆

 

[Egghaus88]

I'm being reminded why I loved driving them but hated kart races in GTS. It's pretty much Mario kart out there, 3 races, wrecked in all 3. These things are so twitchy yet people insist on riding your bumper and driving as close as humanly possible so if one mistake is made there's a guaranteed crash. These are A/S lobbies.

 

[Bobert power]

Brands Hatch feels cold and slippery, including feeling too narrow for Group 3. Two bad races in a row with everyone slipping off the track from simply looking at their steering wheels.

 

[HugoTwoWheels]

Brands Hatch feels cold and slippery, including feeling too narrow for Group 3. Two bad races in a row with everyone slipping off the track from simply looking at their steering wheels.

There's a support group over at the physics thread. You're not alone.

 

[SZ_Lukas97]

Gr3 and Gr4 are Peugeot and Atenza Cups with 1-4 guest starters per race 🤭

 

[gen3v8]

Yep, it adds some nice variety when doing race after race. Maybe one day we can have real time and weather for the location like FS2020 does.

I'm setting up an endurance race on the mountain, I guess it never rains in Bathurst? No rain option.
Same for Tokyo South, yet Tokyo East does have rain like it did in GT Sport.
No sure if Spa has night, only 4 presets, I guess not.

There is a lot unfinished...

No Rain are you kidding. It has torrential downpours. It pours one part and is sunny the rest at times. This is from my experiences following motorsports @ Mt Panorama for 50 yrs.
Just google the 1000 with the Godzilla for one example

 

[boostdmarkii]

Do i have to buy a car to see its bop settings is thrre a website i dont no about of something id love to know what the current top 3 or 5 is instead of having to buy an rcz and an atenza this week Im sure next week those will get nerfed and there will be some new metta.. They absolutly nuttered my 4c compared to last weeks BOP i went from winning races in it to no better than 10th place and im an extra almost 10 second of the top guys which means almost 15 seconds in total smh.. We need some variety in the dailys they should leave 1 race a week with no BOP just a few restrictions Hp weight tires etc

 

[xMAXIx79]

Gr3 and Gr4 are Peugeot and Atenza Cups with 1-4 guest starters per race 🤭

Yes... and interesting are the "meta" drivers who only think they have an advantage because of their choice of vehicle and behave as if all other cars have to make room because they are so much slower at least it often seems that way...
What I find really ridiculous.. this eternal flashing of the headlights, they should rather take care of driving faster

 

[Bobert power]

Had a late night race A for the fun of it, but I didn't expect to go home with a win at all.

Heads up boys.. if you’re like me, be careful of running too many Kart races before trying to hop back into the other races… I ran Karts for 2-3 hours and then hopped into race B with no practice and it was like I’ve never driven in my life lol.. guess the wine with dinner probably didn’t help but still 😆

Nice to see you in my Kart race tonight!

 

[Mercia]

Yes... and interesting are the "meta" drivers who only think they have an advantage because of their choice of vehicle and behave as if all other cars have to make room because they are so much slower at least it often seems that way...
What I find really ridiculous.. this eternal flashing of the headlights, they should rather take care of driving faster

If you're on pad I think the left stick is default set to flash lights when pressed so you'll see it in corners when people are pressing down hard to turn

No excuse on straights mind, just being pillocks.

 

[HugoTwoWheels]

this eternal flashing of the headlights

This occurs only in lower lobbies, right? I never see it, and it's not seen in various streamer's top split lobbies either.

It's obnoxious behaviour. Don't do it.

 

[Mercia]

This image just tickled me somewhat, the cafe is not really set up for you to stare lovingly at a go-kart

 

[xMAXIx79]

This occurs only in lower lobbies, right? I never see it, and it's not seen in various streamer's top split lobbies either.

It's obnoxious behaviour. Don't do it.

Yes, I'm only a B driver.. and a lot of people do it, even if they're not remotely able to overtake cleanly, I think they hope that the person in front will make mistakes as a result.


Since I'm German, I know this kind of thing very well from our autobahns .. Over time you get a feeling for who's doing it because he's really fast and who's just a stupid assistant.
Back then in my BMW I was always happy to see guys like that.. you couldn't tell what he had under the hood and when the road was clear I was happy to play a little game... now with the new car and lots of it Years later I've calmed down (ok there are fewer who provoke it from behind)

 

[D_Dragline]

Brands Hatch feels cold and slippery, including feeling too narrow for Group 3. Two bad races in a row with everyone slipping off the track from simply looking at their steering wheels.

I’ve done a couple of Race Cs, the grip seems about right to me. You always need to be mindful of the camber and elevation at this track

Gr3 and Gr4 are Peugeot and Atenza Cups with 1-4 guest starters per race 🤭

The two races I did had Peugeots, Astons and AMGs at the front. The RCZ seems quick, but it’s not dominant.