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GrumpyOldMan
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Just had someone pull a jerk move, that I'll probably boil over for awhile, at Daily Race B. He tried to cut me off at the last hairpin lap 2, but we both made it around the corner. I squeezed him a little, but it didn't cost him anything, and we were both fine. Until, as we continued down the hill, at the place where there's a left gradual turn and the wall juts out on the left, he bumped me into the wall.
I was able to continue on, so it seems like not a big deal, right? Except I suffered damage, and eventually ended up going from something like P6 to P14, or something like that. Just due to him being petty. I can't name him here, but rest assured he drove me crazy. I'm going to file it away, in a file called "cold servings".
I was able to continue on, so it seems like not a big deal, right? Except I suffered damage, and eventually ended up going from something like P6 to P14, or something like that. Just due to him being petty. I can't name him here, but rest assured he drove me crazy. I'm going to file it away, in a file called "cold servings".
Dep Fishtail
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I can assure you that it does. Don’t ask me how I know.
I can assure you that it does. Don’t ask me how I know.
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Finally a chance to use my Scirocco, only my second car with a completely self-made livery? Awesome!I made no attempt to save fuel. I was just going flat-out with A/T, redlining every gear.
I just did 5 custom races, mimicking the race settings for tomorrow's race. 😩
First was the Toyota 86 with A/T, & FM2. 20:15 was the race time. I came up a bit short, and had to go with FM6 at the very end.
Then, the 86 again, but with M/T & FM1. 20:08 race time. Very little short-shifting needed. Shifting just a hair before red line.
Then, I did the WRX. M/T with FM1. 20:05 race time. Much earlier shifting that the Toyota.
Then, I did the TT, M/T with FM1. 19:59 race time. Again, pretty early shifting.
Last one I did was the Scirocco. M/T, FM1. 20:00 race time. I didn't save much at the beginning, and had to back way off on the last couple of laps. It is definitely capable of beating the Audi. VW is probably my favorite car for the race. It's not a powerhouse, but it is incredible through the high speed curves. 👍
There are probably a few cars that will be really good, which I didn't try the race with. Subaru is once again solid, but certainly not the meta. Alfa 155 will be useless.
I think Audi TT will be my qualifier.
P.S. Folks, be on your best behavior at the Willow. A revenge punt will send you very, very far off the track.
But generally, the more different cars are usable, the better.👍
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Quick question? Does anybody know if going back in plain Gran Turismo sport affects your DR and SR ratings in GT seven? I know the points carried over in the beginning but just wondering about right now.🍻
P.S I didn’t want to start a new thread for a single answer 🍻
P.S I didn’t want to start a new thread for a single answer 🍻
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I just discovered doing 14 laps on RM tires and 1 lap on RH is 8 seconds faster, overall, than doing all 15 laps on RH.
The pit loss is very little.
@ILLEAGLE_34 I don't believe it matters anymore. My understanding is that it was a one time points carry-over.
In a few minutes, I'm gonna open a lobby for Willow Springs race C practice/racing.
Just for fun. Nothing too serious.
I want my friends to be ready for success. 👍
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Nope, that was only applicable up to Feb 2022. SR/DR no longer connected.
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hollowkatt
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I'm just saying that sometimes I turn in my best quali times right about the same time the edibles start to kick in. When that happens i know I've got about a 20 minute window before I stop caring and need to go lay down and scroll through my phone.
TheNormsk
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I'm done racing for the day. I thought it was time to be a productive member of society again...
This afternoon session I did a couple of race C. Not sure GT knew which lobby to put me in. I was P3, but the field was one A+ and a ton of B drivers with only a handful of Cs. I was able to hold off P4 for a bit until I made a small mistake and I dropped down to 12th. I was able to claw my way back to 7th which I thought was horrible until I realized that everyone above me was a A+/B and I was the highest C. So respectable I guess but my DR still takes a hit. In the future should I just exit out of such lobbies when the DR is much better than me and there is little chance of getting in the top 5?
Race two of C I started P2 behind an A driver I believe. This one had more C drivers in the field. I held onto P2 for the first 3 laps but mid point, I drifted wide on one turn and the Sileighty behind was able to take P2. I remained within 1 second of their tail, pressuring throughout the remainder of the race. Last lap I slipped a bit and then settled for P3. Turned out to be a really good race but I did see one glitch that probably cost me P2. I forgot to save the replay but on T15 they drifted totally off track before the Casio Triangle (the chicane) and instead of crashing allowing me to take P2, GT reset them back onto the track, in front of me, perfectly placed for the chicane. They never lost any time yet it was a total mess up on their part. I felt a little cheated by that teleport glitch even though it was a good race otherwise.
Then I jumped over to B. First race I was P9 but it was a mixed bag DR/SR wide. First lap, took two spots in T1 as others slid wide, but into the S bends I get punted into a wall and put down to 12th or so and along with a penalty which puts to me last at that check point. I complete the race and only finish like 13th due to others quitting. Disappointing. My DR C was almost at DR D at this point and I was about ready to give up....
But I did one more race. This time I was P9 again but the field was closer on QT and it was all DR C/SR S. Through the course of the race it was mostly clean as far as I could tell and I moved from P9 up to P6 by the L3. On L4 I was able to move to P5 and I was settling in to end there, even though I could see the pack ahead I figured I'd never be able to pass. But, P3 and P4 were in a battle with each other and messed up at the first tunnel and I took them to jump to P3. Then I continued to chase down P2 and at the hairpin, they spin out and I jump to P2. Last lap I move from P5 to P2. Good way to finish off this week's daily races.
My conclusion is that if you enter lobbies that are all the same DR with SR S rating you tend to get better/competitive races. If you get lobbies that are mixed DR with B, C and worse SR then it tends to become a bit of a **** show.
This afternoon session I did a couple of race C. Not sure GT knew which lobby to put me in. I was P3, but the field was one A+ and a ton of B drivers with only a handful of Cs. I was able to hold off P4 for a bit until I made a small mistake and I dropped down to 12th. I was able to claw my way back to 7th which I thought was horrible until I realized that everyone above me was a A+/B and I was the highest C. So respectable I guess but my DR still takes a hit. In the future should I just exit out of such lobbies when the DR is much better than me and there is little chance of getting in the top 5?
Race two of C I started P2 behind an A driver I believe. This one had more C drivers in the field. I held onto P2 for the first 3 laps but mid point, I drifted wide on one turn and the Sileighty behind was able to take P2. I remained within 1 second of their tail, pressuring throughout the remainder of the race. Last lap I slipped a bit and then settled for P3. Turned out to be a really good race but I did see one glitch that probably cost me P2. I forgot to save the replay but on T15 they drifted totally off track before the Casio Triangle (the chicane) and instead of crashing allowing me to take P2, GT reset them back onto the track, in front of me, perfectly placed for the chicane. They never lost any time yet it was a total mess up on their part. I felt a little cheated by that teleport glitch even though it was a good race otherwise.
Then I jumped over to B. First race I was P9 but it was a mixed bag DR/SR wide. First lap, took two spots in T1 as others slid wide, but into the S bends I get punted into a wall and put down to 12th or so and along with a penalty which puts to me last at that check point. I complete the race and only finish like 13th due to others quitting. Disappointing. My DR C was almost at DR D at this point and I was about ready to give up....
But I did one more race. This time I was P9 again but the field was closer on QT and it was all DR C/SR S. Through the course of the race it was mostly clean as far as I could tell and I moved from P9 up to P6 by the L3. On L4 I was able to move to P5 and I was settling in to end there, even though I could see the pack ahead I figured I'd never be able to pass. But, P3 and P4 were in a battle with each other and messed up at the first tunnel and I took them to jump to P3. Then I continued to chase down P2 and at the hairpin, they spin out and I jump to P2. Last lap I move from P5 to P2. Good way to finish off this week's daily races.
My conclusion is that if you enter lobbies that are all the same DR with SR S rating you tend to get better/competitive races. If you get lobbies that are mixed DR with B, C and worse SR then it tends to become a bit of a **** show.
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I discovered a while ago that I’d rather lose to an all A/S lobby than finish higher in a dirty B/A lobby. Losing to lower B drivers at this point kills my DR, and taco g with decent A drivers helps me learn something new each time. Even if I’m losing, I’m not really losing many points overall. So I think you just found your sweet spot!
Penalties = shots!!!! Which of course starts the downward spiral: penalties lead to more shots which lead to more penalties, which lead to more shots. . .
So I’m going to point out that the squeeze may have been perceived as aggressive in your part, and led to the bump into the wall. Just an observation (verified by my own silly micro-aggressive karmic kickbacks).
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Decided to some race Bs as the week closes with some cars I don't use much/ever. The Peugeot wasn't bad. Was actually liking the FWD cars. Also did some races in the Audi. The Audi and Peugeot were pretty comparable, IMO. They pull through turns really nicely and it's easy to get on the power soon (similar to the AWDs I guess). But, they just don't have the top end.
The other ones I tried were the Toyota 86 (lap times were a lot higher than I thought they'd be for that car) and the Megane. The Megane was pretty planted but a slug on the straights.
Was able to get P1s in the Megane and RCZ, but not the Audi.
One of these things is not like the others....
The other ones I tried were the Toyota 86 (lap times were a lot higher than I thought they'd be for that car) and the Megane. The Megane was pretty planted but a slug on the straights.
Was able to get P1s in the Megane and RCZ, but not the Audi.
One of these things is not like the others....
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If you guys want to improve your DR just dont qualify for the race and you'll start at the bottom. If you have good skills you can climb up the positions easily. Theres always that group that crashes in the first corner or become too greedy for space so they spin out. I sometimes even went up by 8 or 9 places by the end of the race. You wont get top 3 (unless you are lucky) but your DR will raise much faster because starting at the bottom, any improvement you make will be a plus.
Whereas qualifying and losing positions hurts your DR. I think once you are in the A category then flex with times because at least you know most people there have good sportsmanship.
Whereas qualifying and losing positions hurts your DR. I think once you are in the A category then flex with times because at least you know most people there have good sportsmanship.
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BruceAlmighty
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This is not true. Your start position in the race is not relevant. All that matters is your finish position.
You gain DR from every driver you beat, and you lose DR to every driver who beats you - proportional to the different in your DR scores. On average that requires a top-half finish, but it depends on the scores of the other drivers in the race and where they finish.
If you qualify well, you stand more chance of passing for the higher places than you do if you don't bother, making it more likely you'll gain DR from any given race.
TheNormsk
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This is where I am confused. I have been fed conflicting information on this. I was told that it does not matter where you start, only where you end. As long as you end up in the top half you pick up points from the bottom half. Hence a good QT is needed to maximize the chance to start near the top. However, are you saying that with a good QT you end up in tougher lobbies so the racing then ends up more challenging anyway, so you're more likely to end in the bottom half?
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How is it not true if you constantly keep finishing races with massive position gains. I stayed at D rating for months and when someone told me about not qualifying, I got out of the D status in like 10 races. The races where I gained massive positions, my DR bar would fill up by 1/5th! Literally in 5 races with the same results Id go to next level.
While trying to qualify and then losing positions, my DR will slowly drain backwards or stay the same for months. Try it, your DR rating skyrockets. What you are talking about is IF you beat someone with higher rating, but what if you dont, you spin out, you just go backwards and stay on the same level forever. Maybe its different on A-S but going from D-C and C-B, this is the way to go.
I'll make a video, and show the DR bar filling up way faster than it ever did while I was qualifying. Because qualifying you can lose positions, starting from the bottom you can only gain points. And if you keep gaining points every race your DR constantly goes up. If you have a great qualifying race and win, but the next race you lose 6 positions...you just stay in this limbo forever of ups and downs in points. Starting at the bottom you only go up in points.....because theres no lower than last place anyway.
While trying to qualify and then losing positions, my DR will slowly drain backwards or stay the same for months. Try it, your DR rating skyrockets. What you are talking about is IF you beat someone with higher rating, but what if you dont, you spin out, you just go backwards and stay on the same level forever. Maybe its different on A-S but going from D-C and C-B, this is the way to go.
Just go and try it, pay attention before the race on your DR bar, how much white fill it has. If you get into a lobby and you gain positions, after 3 massive passes (3 races) your DR bar will be filled half way already. Yes when you qualify you start higher and have a bigger chance for top 3 but a lot of times those above you also drive great so you end up staying in the same place or worse. Because as you know, the guys at the top dont have much traffic so they kind of dont change positions that much. But the guys in the back is a destruction derby or they dont really pay attention to the breaking points because they just want to pass the guy infront and those you pass easily while they fight.
I'll make a video, and show the DR bar filling up way faster than it ever did while I was qualifying. Because qualifying you can lose positions, starting from the bottom you can only gain points. And if you keep gaining points every race your DR constantly goes up. If you have a great qualifying race and win, but the next race you lose 6 positions...you just stay in this limbo forever of ups and downs in points. Starting at the bottom you only go up in points.....because theres no lower than last place anyway.
GrumpyOldMan
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Up and down week at Daily Race B. Started B/S at 84%, ended B/S at 83%. High/Low: 97% / 79%.
Details on how this information was obtained can be found here.
Click on the Spoiler if you want to see the data,
And actually, it's more than just the DR letter - the "level" of each driver also depends on the percentage of the particular DR letter they have (which you can't really see). If two drivers are both C, and one has 75% progress, and one has 25% progress, that affects the results also.
Details on how this information was obtained can be found here.
Click on the Spoiler if you want to see the data,
Yes, I'm sure it was. But I cost him nothing. He cost me the race. There's a small difference there.
It only matters where you finish. This has been discussed quite a bit recently, and trust me when I tell you that this is gospel truth.
Yes, having a good QT is essential. However, the effect on your DR depends on the levels of the people in front and behind you. I finished 10th in a race where everyone else was an A and I was a B. I gained DR from that. And if I raced in a race where everyone was a C and I'm a B, I might not gain points even if I finished 4th - I could even lose points.
And actually, it's more than just the DR letter - the "level" of each driver also depends on the percentage of the particular DR letter they have (which you can't really see). If two drivers are both C, and one has 75% progress, and one has 25% progress, that affects the results also.
I don't believe qualification time is taken into account by the matching process. Only DR, and possibly SR depending on how many people are racing at that time.
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It is categorically untrue.
Only your finishing position matters. You take DR from everyone you beat and lose it to everyone who beats you, with the amount varying depending on the relative different in your DR scores. We know precisely how much too, because it hasn't changed since GT Sport launched, and the GT Sport web interface almost laid this information out bare:
Every driver you finish ahead you take 80 DR, plus ((their DR - your DR)/500), from them.
Every driver you finish behind you lose 80 DR, plus ((your DR - their DR)/500), to them.
Where you start does not matter at all. Where you finish, and the scores of you and the people you beat, is what matters. It is all that matters. This is known, well-established, concrete information.
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I'm going to test this out for the week.
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And where have I said otherwise? You starting at the bottom can ONLY GO UP so where you finish will only be UP. Hence your DR bar filling up constantly without interruptions. If you qualified and didn't gain positions or even worse you lost positions, your DR starts dropping. By starting from the bottom you will always finish higher which it will affect your DR and because theres nowhere to go from the very bottom but up, you are constantly gaining those points towards a new level.
I never said starting from the bottom gets you points, I said starting from the bottom you will always pass other drivers guaranteed and THAT will determine your finish result and your finishing points. With qualifying you run the risk of having a bad race and you just backtrack in points.
OBVIOUSLY if you are in the A or S category, that is not your game-plan because you know you are running a race with a tight bunch with good sportsmanship so you are qualifying and going after the top 3 places.
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I have no real evidence or knowledge on the qualification subject, but I do know from experience many times I will jump into a race only do a couple laps of qualifying and then end up not doing too well in that race surprise surprise. And in between times until the next race, I’ll put in a much better qualifying time, and I end up in much higher rated lobbies different drivers completely. this is in GT sport in GT seven.🍻
I believe you’re just understanding the whole point system incorrectly. So there’s 16 drivers in a lobby different DR ratings maybe a maybe BC who knows. Everybody’s points are put into a pot so there’s only a certain number of points to be earned during the race and they will be doled out upon a percentage of your DR rating and where you finish I believe that’s how it works.🍻
