GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Voodoovaj]

I think the problem is that SR isn't actually tied to anything meaningful. Like yes, I can't increase my DR ahead of my SR but that doesn't stop me from setting a fast time and tanking my SR so that my DR puts me in lobbies where I'm P1 because of my time.

You can farm wins/credits pretty handily that way. I think if SR was meaningful in some way to gameplay/credits earned people would probably care more.
Ultimately I don't think there's a fix. People with a lower SR clearly don't care that much about improving it. People with an already high SR are naturally gravitating towards whichever lobbies their natural DR lands them in.

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I see it constantly. People just want to finish ahead. Now, granted, I don't know if I am racing against someone who is 6 or 60, but that really shouldn't matter. Clean is faster, and more enjoyable for everyone. I've been saying for years that penalties should be based on impact, and your vector relative to the driving line.

Handing out penalties, even the 1/2 second ones, affects finishing position and people were grasping, pretty quickly, that dirty was not productive.

I think PD has dropped the penalties to encourage more participation, but all they have done is increase the frustration (ergo decreasing participation). Even for the friendly races, dirty driving should be penalized. Otherwise, what's the point of the system?

Like, this week, there's a 1 second penalty for being outside track limits in places where no penalty should be giving (or at most, give a warning on the first infraction). es, you can your opponent into the wall with impunity.

As Charlie Munger put it, "Show me the incentive, and I will show you the outcome." Since you can gain positions by wrecking your opponents with impunity, people are driving like it's bumper cars at the carnival.

This has been my situation for daily races since this game game out except with me at B rank. Whatever DR I gain in regular B lobbies puts in the higher lobbies. I start in the back where I lose the DR I gained. Then get put back in the regular B lobbies and then repeat that cycle. I also seem to be collateral damage like in the video clip you posted yesterday. I'll get out of B one day.

Exactly the same here. Now, if the game actually gave a penalty for the SR hits that are obviously being tracked, finishing positions would be affected and the sorting would be better.

 

[IRS_Agent]

Only had an about 2 hours to spend doing QT and a few race B tonight and it was a mixed bag. Lapped for more than an hour and got consistent low to mid 1:34s so I decided to jump in on my alt as B/S.

The first race stated p6 and by the end of the first few corners got bumped around enough to lose a few positions. Never felt great during the race but worked through it trying to stay out of trouble and fishshed p10 after drag racing a 155 to the line and getting sent to the wall just before the line because it must have been a no passing zone and he was the enforcement.

Second race started further back like p10 or so and had a much better race feeling a lot more confident with control in traffic. Not as many bumps in this one and worked up to p8 or so while staying in front of a chasing 155 to the line.

Race 3 started P11 or so and it went well for 1 lap then a guy got sent wide in T1 by the car in front of me and then he tried to pass in the next turn and took us both out. I scored 2 wall penalties worth a whopping 3 seconds and p16 for the remainder of the race and never gained another position.

I think the B race will get better with time because people seem to be having control issues more than dirty driving. There was some dirty push to pass things going on but all in all I find the track a much better fit for me than Laguna where I was severely off pace all week.

Was good to see TPC_lighting McQueen in all three of my races tonight. He was starting at the back with no QT and working up.
He was moving forwards through the field while I was moving backwards 😜

This race has really killed my safety rating thus far. Sometimes it was my fault, but mostly it's been due to lap one being absolute chaos. People shouldn't try and pass in the twisty section... but they do. And the hairpin is absolutely insane on the first lap. Tons of people bumping you off your line and/or using you to pass. Plus, there were SOOO many actually dirty drivers when my SR fell a bit. I even won one race because two cars got in a bumping match at the last sprint to the finish line lol

(how'd the hell do people get 1.31.x lap times on this?) but probably good enough for DR D.

Yeah, I'm struggling to get below 1:33.685, and even that qualifying lap felt like a fluke rather than my actual skill. I don't get how people get into the 1:32s, and 1:31 is unfathomable to me.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

A lot of people are complaining about how bad all the dirty driving is, in Daily Race B. And don't get me wrong, I've seen plenty of questionable racing today. But to be honest, the vast majority of my problems have been directly related to my own (bad) driving. So when I finally have a decent race going where I haven't **** on myself, and someone takes me out for whatever reason, it's easy to say "this race sucks" or "what a bunch of dirty drivers". But if I drove every race without doing incredibly obviously brain-dead things, I'd probably be just fine, even with the occasional kiss of Barry-R.

Remember, self, attitude is everything.

Along with driving in control, and staying on the track. And hitting every apex. And taking the best lines...

 

[sturk0167]

Here's what I came up with for testing at Big Willow (the next C race)

Lap time:

Best - Audi TT
+0.347 VW Scirocco
+0.527 Subaru WRX
+0.622 Peugeot RCZ
+0.644 Renault Megane
+0.773 Toyota 86
+0.795 Honda NSX
+0.797 Nissan GTR
+0.813 Mazda Atenza
+0.835 Alfa Romeo 155
+0.837 Hyundai Genesis
+0.853 AMG SLS
+0.922 Alfa Romeo 4C
+0.941 Aston Martin Vantage
+0.976 Lamborghini Huracan
+1.005 Nissan Silvia
+1.060 Lexus RCF
+1.093 Chevrolet Corvette
+1.131 Renault Megane Trophy
+1.269 Mitsubishi Lancer

Fuel economy:

Laps of fuel:

-13.0 Atenza
-13.0 Trophy
-13.0 86
-12.6 RCZ
-12.2 NSX
-12.0 Huracan
-12.0 Lancer
-11.8 4C
-11.6 RCF
-11.0 WRX
-11.0 GTR
-11.0 Megane
-11.0 Scirocco
-11.0 TT
-11.0 Silvia
-10.8 Corvette
-10.8 Vantage
-10.8 Genesis
-10.6 SLS
-10.0 155

Top 10 cars, based on a combined ranking of speed and efficiency:

Avg. ranking

3.0 - RCZ
3.5 - 86
4.0 - TT
4.5 - Scirocco
5.0 - NSX
5.0 - Atenza
5.0 - WRX
6.0 - Megane
7.5 - GTR
9.0 - 4C

*** I did all the driving with auto trans. A manual transmission could certainly do better in terms of fuel-efficiency.
Also, The slipstream will help in the race, so probably not a lot of fuel saving required with the better cars.

 

[D Quick]

I think personally my mindset plays a lot in to performance.

First few races I'm cautious and let a quicker person through, bring a top 5 home, a few more races and quicker lobbies I do the same but they are 3-7th place or last. Then "I try" and that's when it goes worse for me. It becomes nervous and twitchy the paranoia gets to me, as a result my race times are slower (positions are useless without actual race pace) so I now am just focusing on race time now lap to lap as traffic, tires dictate that. Especially when you are racing peeps quicker you

This is very accurate

 

[Darrenersmit]

one day I'll get my 1st win

 

[sturk0167]

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3 clean races out of 209, and you're at SR S?

 

[Darrenersmit]

3 clean races out of 209, and you're at SR S?

I do race clean just go off alot, so no clean races

 

[nukewells_OG]

Here's what I came up with for testing at Big Willow (the next C race)

Lap time:

Best - Audi TT
+0.347 VW Scirocco
+0.527 Subaru WRX
+0.622 Peugeot RCZ
+0.644 Renault Megane
+0.773 Toyota 86
+0.795 Honda NSX
+0.797 Nissan GTR
+0.813 Mazda Atenza
+0.835 Alfa Romeo 155
+0.837 Hyundai Genesis
+0.853 AMG SLS
+0.922 Alfa Romeo 4C
+0.941 Aston Martin Vantage
+0.976 Lamborghini Huracan
+1.005 Nissan Silvia
+1.060 Lexus RCF
+1.093 Chevrolet Corvette
+1.131 Renault Megane Trophy
+1.269 Mitsubishi Lancer

Fuel economy:

Laps of fuel:

-13.0 Atenza
-13.0 Trophy
-13.0 86
-12.6 RCZ
-12.2 NSX
-12.0 Huracan
-12.0 Lancer
-11.8 4C
-11.6 RCF
-11.0 WRX
-11.0 GTR
-11.0 Megane
-11.0 Scirocco
-11.0 TT
-11.0 Silvia
-10.8 Corvette
-10.8 Vantage
-10.8 Genesis
-10.6 SLS
-10.0 155

Top 10 cars, based on a combined ranking of speed and efficiency:

Avg. ranking

3.0 - RCZ
3.5 - 86
4.0 - TT
4.5 - Scirocco
5.0 - NSX
5.0 - Atenza
5.0 - WRX
6.0 - Megane
7.5 - GTR
9.0 - 4C

*** I did all the driving with auto trans. A manual transmission could certainly do better in terms of fuel-efficiency.
Also, The slipstream will help in the race, so probably not a lot of fuel saving required with the better cars.

You're insane...

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

You're insane...

But in a good way.

 

[sturk0167]

But in a good way.

That's what I told the judge.

 

[hollowkatt]

Well, it's 1x tyre, 7x fuel, with only hards mandatory.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but uh...

Yeah. Even more reasons to avoid Willow lol

I gotta tell you, that V8 Vantage can be one fast mofo on the straights. I was on pole, and he was finally able to run me down on the last lap, by .07 seconds. It's scary to be maxed out in an Alfa, and see the Vantage coming up on you with nothing to do but either be dirty, or just live with it. I thought about dirty, but went with living with second place to a faster driver.

I have a recommendation but it's blatantly against every sporting code that isn't NASCAR: Become wide and learn to block

 

[TheNormsk]

So I did my race C as a DR C driver today and I had worked my qualifying time to a 2.14.? Which put me in second place on the grid. Also, in the race were some B and A drivers, one with a 2:10.? qualifying time; seriously fast. I raced a clean race got passed by the second A driver, but the rest of the pack never bothered me. I ended up in third place. I was very happy with my position. The two A drivers were hitting 2:10.x, 2:11.x lap times; seriously quick. 😲

I’m seriously pleased with my 180SX tune even though I don’t know how to put in consistent times quicker that 2:15.

After that, I did two B races. I was expecting chaos for both races but were pretty clean. Each field was C/S ratings. Race one I made a mistake into the hairpin penultimate lap and accidentally bumped a couple people off. I got a five second penalty for that which killed me so I ended up a couple spots after where I started. I said sorry in the lobby afterwards, but everybody had already left.

Second race, there was a bit more argy-bargy going on. And I got it hit a couple of times, but managed to hold the line and ended up a couple spots higher than where I started. Overall, the race was clean though and most of it was just racing shenanigans, and nothing particularly dangerous, overall I enjoyed both races after expecting the worst

 

[BruceAlmighty]

Woohoo the Megane strikes again....... 1:33.3
2nd on my friends list behind Grumpy! Then I got a P2 in the next race. Went over to my
Euro acct and set a 1:33.6 and got thrown into a A+/ A lobby as a low B driver but kept up
with a few A drivers so I'm happy.

 

[TheNormsk]

Last night I ran a couple of fun race Bs. This evening it was an absolute demolition derby! Shocking level of driving. Ended up in two lobbies with SR C and B drivers around me; principally the same bad drivers. It was not pretty... My DR took a hit as I got hit and punted into walls taking massive wall penalties. Any kind of race is killed when you gain 4 seconds of penalties when someone else punts you. 👿

This was race 1.


And race 2, where I discover I have the same punters around me.

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Last night I ran a couple of fun race Bs. This evening it was an absolute demolition derby! Shocking level of driving. Ended up in two lobbies with SR C and B drivers around me; principally the same bad drivers. It was not pretty... My DR took a hit as I got hit and punted into walls taking massive wall penalties. Any kind of race is killed when you gain 4 seconds of penalties when someone else punts you. 👿

This was race 1.


And race 2, where I discover I have the same punters around me.

Most of what the guys around you are doing there seems more like bad driving (and maybe careless) than really dirty. Some people just don't know how to get around twisty tracks in groups of cars, close to each other, especially the winding middle sector (where, if you are going two-wide, someone HAS to back off, because there is only one relatively narrow quick line through it).

And, if I may say so, you made one or two questionable decisions yourself. Especially in video 2, before you get the 1.5 penalty, I was like "no! back off!" because I saw what was coming. I've learned that the hard way, too... 😬😆

 

[TheNormsk]

And, if I may say so, you made one or two questionable decisions yourself. Especially in video 2, before you get the 1.5 penalty, I was like "no! back off!" because I saw what was coming. I've learned that the hard way, too... 😬😆

Yeah I know. I’m not entirely without fault. That incident, I was thinking that the two ahead had lost pace in their tussle and I can get around. Lesson learned; don’t go 3 wide into the S curves. 😃

 

[newmedia_dev]

Yeah I know. I’m not entirely without fault. That incident, I was thinking that the two ahead had lost pace in their tussle and I can get around. Lesson learned; don’t go 3 wide into the S curves. 😃

Spatial awareness is so much easier in real life conpared to GT that is for sure!

 

[11pete]

@TheNormsk it was good seeing you. I was behind you with the yellow Sil80

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Spatial awareness is so much easier in real life conpared to GT that is for sure!

To be fair, real life doesn't usually occur at these speeds. At least, not for most of us. Making a 2-car-wide left-hand turn at 25 mph is slightly different.

 

[newmedia_dev]

To be fair, real life doesn't usually occur at these speeds. At least, not for most of us. Making a 2-car-wide left-hand turn at 25 mph is slightly different.

Lol very true.

Although when I race bikes or pro karts or cars

 

[TheNormsk]

@TheNormsk it was good seeing you. I was behind you with the yellow Sil80

Was that last night or this morning? Did two B races this morning and they were much better, even with some less than stellar SR Drivers.

Did two C races and kind of lost the plot on those. Lol.

 

[Mercia]

Think I'll play some GT7 to wind down after the weekend I thought

Race B First race, lap 1, turn 1

 

[11pete]

Was that last night or this morning? Did two B races this morning and they were much better, even with some less than stellar SR Drivers.

Did two C races and kind of lost the plot on those. Lol.

It was this morning.

 

[Talon16]

Here's what I came up with for testing at Big Willow (the next C race)

Lap time:

Best - Audi TT
+0.347 VW Scirocco
+0.527 Subaru WRX
+0.622 Peugeot RCZ
+0.644 Renault Megane
+0.773 Toyota 86
+0.795 Honda NSX
+0.797 Nissan GTR
+0.813 Mazda Atenza
+0.835 Alfa Romeo 155
+0.837 Hyundai Genesis
+0.853 AMG SLS
+0.922 Alfa Romeo 4C
+0.941 Aston Martin Vantage
+0.976 Lamborghini Huracan
+1.005 Nissan Silvia
+1.060 Lexus RCF
+1.093 Chevrolet Corvette
+1.131 Renault Megane Trophy
+1.269 Mitsubishi Lancer

Fuel economy:

Laps of fuel:

-13.0 Atenza
-13.0 Trophy
-13.0 86
-12.6 RCZ
-12.2 NSX
-12.0 Huracan
-12.0 Lancer
-11.8 4C
-11.6 RCF
-11.0 WRX
-11.0 GTR
-11.0 Megane
-11.0 Scirocco
-11.0 TT
-11.0 Silvia
-10.8 Corvette
-10.8 Vantage
-10.8 Genesis
-10.6 SLS
-10.0 155

Top 10 cars, based on a combined ranking of speed and efficiency:

Avg. ranking

3.0 - RCZ
3.5 - 86
4.0 - TT
4.5 - Scirocco
5.0 - NSX
5.0 - Atenza
5.0 - WRX
6.0 - Megane
7.5 - GTR
9.0 - 4C

*** I did all the driving with auto trans. A manual transmission could certainly do better in terms of fuel-efficiency.
Also, The slipstream will help in the race, so probably not a lot of fuel saving required with the better cars.

Were you actively trying to save fuel (short of running AT) or just going balls out? I fear with short shifting and fuel mapping, the WRX will make it no problem.

---

So after 17 races, 11 wins, and 16 top 5s my Euro account is almost to a mid-B. Hoping to see some of you out there soon!

 

[Darrenersmit]

Tell a lie about the drink driving, 5 or 6 cans and came last out of the ones who finished on race c, been getting consecutive top 5s all day🍺🍺

 

[Leon Kowalski]

Tell a lie about the drink driving, 5 or 6 cans and came last out of the ones who finished on race c, been getting consecutive top 5s all day🍺🍺

PD needs to install a "drinkers only" daily race D 🍻

 

[Darrenersmit]

Be alot less in the none D races

 

[TheNormsk]

Sometime's I think a drink would ease my racer nerves I still get. That or Xanax. LOL.

 

[sturk0167]

Were you actively trying to save fuel (short of running AT) or just going balls out? I fear with short shifting and fuel mapping, the WRX will make it no problem.

I made no attempt to save fuel. I was just going flat-out with A/T, redlining every gear.
I just did 5 custom races, mimicking the race settings for tomorrow's race. 😩

First was the Toyota 86 with A/T, & FM2. 20:15 was the race time. I came up a bit short, and had to go with FM6 at the very end.
Then, the 86 again, but with M/T & FM1. 20:08 race time. Very little short-shifting needed. Shifting just a hair before red line.
Then, I did the WRX. M/T with FM1. 20:05 race time. Much earlier shifting that the Toyota.
Then, I did the TT, M/T with FM1. 19:59 race time. Again, pretty early shifting.
Last one I did was the Scirocco. M/T, FM1. 20:00 race time. I didn't save much at the beginning, and had to back way off on the last couple of laps. It is definitely capable of beating the Audi. VW is probably my favorite car for the race. It's not a powerhouse, but it is incredible through the high speed curves. 👍

There are probably a few cars that will be really good, which I didn't try the race with. Subaru is once again solid, but certainly not the meta. Alfa 155 will be useless.

I think Audi TT will be my qualifier.

P.S. Folks, be on your best behavior at the Willow. A revenge punt will send you very, very far off the track.