GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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I agree on the divebombs and general idiocy but not sure about brake checker.You better brake early when in slipstream before first corner or hairpin…

i like the intensity of race b this week.Had some good races in the top 5 but if i race/start lower it can be warzone on wheels…

I'll clarify this has almost always happened when following a car for a few laps, they go from braking at 100 to braking at 150 knowing you'll hit them. It's idiotic.

The worst thing is you then end up with a 4/5 second penalty and they just carry on, running wide at worst.

And don't get me started about racing for position from exit of T1 onwards 😆 I think the radar should be absolutely mandatory in daily races due to people's massive lack of racing awareness. All well and good being fast over 1 lap but if someone's on your usual line, you can't just turn into it blindly.

Rant over. Did get a P3 earlier as everyone played brake check chicken into the last hairpin on lap 1 so picked up 4 places there and 2 more when the inevitable penalties came next lap round.
 
got my 1st win. would have be two in a row, but I decided the race before to take TCS off completely for the last lap and spun on turn 3. dude in second place was closing in... finished 3rd in that race but didn't make the same mistake twice and won the following round.
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Daily B seems to be very dirty this week. Having a lot of issues with brake checkers, stupid dive bombs and just general idiocy. It's not my fault if someone brakes 50 meters early unexpectedly and I punt them off at turn 1.

Possibly the worst week for this so far.
I think it's because there is tire wear and fuel weight, most people that pick B isn't used to that
 
Who here has gone from controller to wheel/pedals? Has it made your driving better? game more enjoyable?
100% its more enjoyable, and its definitely made my driving better. i came back to the GT when sport went on sale last year - i had played some F1 but no racing games dating back to GT4. i got to DR C, i think, after a month of play or so i realized i could hit another level on the wheel. i absolutely took a step back in times at first - but then i switched to manual (felt less imposing to learn with the paddle shifters) and i am sort of on the B/A line.

i have a logitech g29 that i got on clearance, and at first i was worried about it 'paying for itself'. it definitely did with sport - but, i confess, there have been a lot of times with GT7 that its been easier to use the controller for my obligatory roulette ticket. it does make the game more enjoyable, if the online races are interesting for you, no question.
 
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Took a week of with last week's races as I didn't fancy them. This week I have only done a few race B and a couple of C's with best result a 3rd in B using the 650S. Not a spectacular race and I got the third mainly just hitting my apexes and staying out of trouble while everyone else drove themselves off track or otherwise fluffed it.

I have managed to claw my way back into DR B so that is a positive at least and hopefully I can maintain that as a minimum for future races.
 
So PD spent all this time to include all these tuning parts, made all those spoilers, wide body kits, wheels, wings and so on, just so we basically can't use them... genius :rolleyes:
Looks like the complainers "I will not tune boohoo" got what they wanted 🤧🙄

However they have tuning on for Nations Cup Test Season 2, 2/3 races so far have been tuning races. Widebody GT-R Nismo was the go to car tonight, widebody Clio Trophy last week in rd.1.
 
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I went in to try out a daily race. It let me do qualifying and I got first but then to enter the race they wanted a subscription. Not gonna happen. I'll do custom races and 2 player races instead. More fun and less silliness.
 
What %tage of guys are no stopping on C? 80-90%?

I was running 2nd going full out, had a 5 second lead over 3rd. I pitted for fuel and tires (1st place did as well) Came out 9th,was expecting others to stop next lap, no one did. Boy did I make up time over the last 3 laps though lol. It was fun running up on guys who are conserving fuel and driving on worn tires. Ended up 3rd and within a second on 2nd.
 
I think the racing has been different since the return to BOP. It's more like GT Sport. In a way it's more honest this way, based on pace. But way more prone to congestion and ultimately cheating.

Races earlier had more space between cars. In my opinion more like a real race with more variables. In my case the fastest would be congested at the front leaving me with a lot more space. But I understand tuning is unfair unless the knowledge is somehow level.

Once everyone settles in to the game I think there will be more demand for tuning races. A lot of the fun will be in beating the Meta car. A bit like what's happening here - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/tpc-time-attack-tsukuba.406814/
 
I think the racing has been different since the return to BOP. It's more like GT Sport. In a way it's more honest this way, based on pace. But way more prone to congestion and ultimately cheating.

Races earlier had more space between cars. In my opinion more like a real race with more variables. In my case the fastest would be congested at the front leaving me with a lot more space. But I understand tuning is unfair unless the knowledge is somehow level.

Once everyone settles in to the game I think there will be more demand for tuning races. A lot of the fun will be in beating the Meta car. A bit like what's happening here - https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/tpc-time-attack-tsukuba.406814/

No tuning and setups allowed would be fun in racing cars. I don’t really like the hassle of searching for setups and I definitely can’t do my own, but if that’s what it takes for more variability I’m down for it.

Having said that, I don’t think we had much variability in Daytona but it was early days.
 
What %tage of guys are no stopping on C? 80-90%?

I was running 2nd going full out, had a 5 second lead over 3rd. I pitted for fuel and tires (1st place did as well) Came out 9th,was expecting others to stop next lap, no one did. Boy did I make up time over the last 3 laps though lol. It was fun running up on guys who are conserving fuel and driving on worn tires. Ended up 3rd and within a second on 2nd.
Just went from 15th to 2nd in a race thanks to the Mazda, it sips fuel it’s amazing. Just stick it in engine mode 4 and do some short shifting, you can do no stop easily and leapfrog all the RCZ sheep (you can also no stop in the Peugeot but it requires literally being a sitting duck the entire time on fuel map 6 AND heavy short shifting)
 
Race B is throwing up quite a few different options. I’ve settled into the Mcclaren but see a lot of 911s WRX, Ford GT and the obligatory RCZ. Often 6 or more different cars on show.

I have tried the WRX, RX Vision and Supra GT500. But the R8 LMS feels really good to me around this track.
 
Me! Don't think I'm as fast as I used to be on the controller but certainly more consistent. It is by far more enjoyable, would never go back
Same story here,except i‘m a little faster too now.But as you say,it’s not mainly about being faster but MUCH more enjoyable and immersive.Took me some days to get used to it but now i would never go back.In fact,i liked it THAT much that i gave the T248 Wheel back after 2 weeks and got myself the DD Pro innstead ;)
 
All three of my races today were solid DR B from top to bottom. So either crossplay is back on or I have fallen deep into the trenches.
 
Ah Man, it’s really a pity we can’t tune our Cars for Daily Races.
Don’t get me wrong though, leave BoP on, but god damn let us at least tune the Cars.
Same goes for the GTWS Manufacturer Series.
So much potential just thrown away, I don’t get it 😅
 
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Tuning makes it alot harder for the vast majority of the players and the experienced players will know where to look and we end up with dual metas.

A meta car with a meta tune.

I personally think at least one of the daily races should allow tuning but it would really be a turn off if all the races allowed it.
What you mean by saying “a lot harder“ ?!
To me it should be a no brainer to have the possibility to tune our Cars.
Don’t you agree that in its current state its just a mess with almost everyone running the same Car ?!
We have all the Tools available to make the Cars more balanced.
Yet, it’s locked.
I don’t get that.
Isn’t it more enjoyable to drive the Car you like the way YOU like it to drive?!
Tuning is an essential part of Motorsport, and if PD can’t get it right, than at least it should give the Players the possibility to set them up to make the Cars more balanced.
Otherwise it’s always going to be the same old Meta Car Train everyone jumps on.
Like I said, wasted potential and therefore beyond me 😕
 
Race B is throwing up quite a few different options. I’ve settled into the Mcclaren but see a lot of 911s WRX, Ford GT and the obligatory RCZ. Often 6 or more different cars on show.
seems like it was only 5 minutes ago all the muppets were complaining about BoP turning the races into a one-make. interesting how silent they are when they are proven wrong.
 
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What you mean by saying “a lot harder“ ?!
To me it should be a no brainer to have the possibility to tune our Cars.
Don’t you agree that in its current state its just a mess with almost everyone running the same Car ?!
We have all the Tools available to make the Cars more balanced.
Yet, it’s locked.
I don’t get that.
Isn’t it more enjoyable to drive the Car you like the way YOU like it to drive?!
Tuning is an essential part of Motorsport, and if PD can’t get it right, than at least it should give the Players the possibility to set them up to make the Cars more balanced.
Otherwise it’s always going to be the same old Meta Car Train everyone jumps on.
Like I said, wasted potential and therefore beyond me 😕
Because it gets less balanced. When PD allowed tuning on Sarthe GR.1, instead of tuning 'fixing' the unbalanced BoP of GR.1, the only viable car ended up being the R18. No point in showing up in anything else as you would be way behind.

Tuning is an essential part of motorsport since no 2 cars are exactly the same. Real parts all fit together slightly differently and need to be tuned to work optimally together. You can't simply copy a tune from one car, apply it to another and expect it to behave exactly the same. Virtual motorsport doesn't simulate that, all carbon copy cars behave exactly the same with the same numbers put into the spreadsheet.

The meta car train will only be more spread out with tuning. Plus you never know if someone beats you on race craft or tune craft. With BoP you can't hide behind, well he must have a better tune than me. It's all about racing, which imo it should be. Tuning for time trial challenges.
 
Because it gets less balanced. When PD allowed tuning on Sarthe GR.1, instead of tuning 'fixing' the unbalanced BoP of GR.1, the only viable car ended up being the R18. No point in showing up in anything else as you would be way behind.

Tuning is an essential part of motorsport since no 2 cars are exactly the same. Real parts all fit together slightly differently and need to be tuned to work optimally together. You can't simply copy a tune from one car, apply it to another and expect it to behave exactly the same. Virtual motorsport doesn't simulate that, all carbon copy cars behave exactly the same with the same numbers put into the spreadsheet.

The meta car train will only be more spread out with tuning. Plus you never know if someone beats you on race craft or tune craft. With BoP you can't hide behind, well he must have a better tune than me. It's all about racing, which imo it should be. Tuning for time trial challenges.
Hmm, I’m not sure if the same goes for GR3 to be honest.
The Variety of Cars is somewhat bigger and it shouldn’t be that obvious in that case.
Look, just over the past few Days I did quite a lot of testing and tuning the Gr3 Cars i own.
My Goal was not to make the fastest Tune, my Goal was to make the Cars more drivable and therefore more enjoyable.
I agree that there will eventually ALWAYS be a specific Meta Tune for a specific Meta Car which Suits a specific Track somewhat better, but isn’t it the same as it stands right now?!
When I look up the Leaderboards thesedays, I see 95% of my Homies all using the RCZ for GR3 just as an example.
I tested that Car too and I can confirm that if driven properly it’s without a doubt around 0.5 Seconds to say the least faster than any other GR3 Car I own and have tested.
Why?
Well, because the way it’s set up, it’s just more stable and therefore easier to handle.
So why not giving the People the possibility at least to tune the other Cars in that Group to rival the RCZs‘ dominance.
It should be up to each one, to decide which Car someone prefers.
Not because it’s the fastest, but because it’s the most enjoyable to drive.
I get that many People out there doing Daily Races only care about Competition and I’m fine with that.
But what’s the point in somehow always have an exclusive one make race because of that imbalance?!
Actually like you said, with a Meta Tune for a Meta Car it would obviously be the same.
But isn’t it already like that?!
So to me I still say that tuning gives the People the opportunity to tune and set their Cars they like to drive in a way they want them to behave.
That way everyone is free to choose and enjoy the drive the way we want them to.
And to make it clear, it’s especially needed for the GTWS Manufacturers Series.
Some Cars are in its default Setup so much worse than others that it actually doesn’t even make Sense to drive some Stages.
Just look at the Leaderboard for the upcoming Manufacturers Race at High Speed Ring.
It’s ridiculous how far off most of the Cars are.
To me it’s not because the Drivers are not capable of extracting the most of their Cars.
It’s simply because they are limited to drive them under the locked Setups and therefore not being able to rival the other Cars which just simply have the better Default Settings.
Look, I don’t know if you have tried to drive some MR Gr3 Cars, especially the 458 or the Lambo to only name these two, but trust me these Cars are just a pain in the ass to drive.
So again, my opinion is that it should be up to each one to have the freedom to choose to either tune and setting up the Car they like to enjoy or not.
Me personally, I don’t care if I loose to someone who has a “better tune“ or not.
I just want to set the Car up I like to compete with in the best way I Can do.
If I than should still loose to someone, than I can without a doubt live with that and congratulate the other Guy to have been able to have outperformed me.
Was it his tune or not, in that Situation I don’t care.
He won fair and square, he had the better tune and the Skills to be able to finish in front of me, so be it 😁
 
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Because it gets less balanced. When PD allowed tuning on Sarthe GR.1, instead of tuning 'fixing' the unbalanced BoP of GR.1, the only viable car ended up being the R18. No point in showing up in anything else as you would be way behind.

Tuning is an essential part of motorsport since no 2 cars are exactly the same. Real parts all fit together slightly differently and need to be tuned to work optimally together. You can't simply copy a tune from one car, apply it to another and expect it to behave exactly the same. Virtual motorsport doesn't simulate that, all carbon copy cars behave exactly the same with the same numbers put into the spreadsheet.

The meta car train will only be more spread out with tuning. Plus you never know if someone beats you on race craft or tune craft. With BoP you can't hide behind, well he must have a better tune than me. It's all about racing, which imo it should be. Tuning for time trial challenges.
Obviously I don't know this but I have a feeling that tuning may be deeper than it is at the moment.

Like in longer races lowering the weight may be the most beneficial factor. Tuning to get the the optimal qualfying time may not be the best overall. Some tracks it may be worth it to use max PP on brakes. Some better to not use turbo. And so on.
 
Just ran a daily C last night and 2 this morning. Last night seemed to be split lobby, A couple A/S drivers B/S and even some D/B as well. Started at the back and after getting pushed wide multiple times, brake checked 3 times and then someone diving me at Blanchimont I quit a Daily for the first time in over 3 years. Apparently me running a fuel saving race was not acceptable and any attempt to stop me was justified.

Ran again this morning and more balanced rooms, at least everyone had SR S. And I drove a bit poorly to say the least. Kept having the sun outside come in and blind me when I would approach Eau Rouge and Blanchimont. I seemed to have pace on the laps I didn't put myself into the wall. Only benefit was I didn't take anyone else out. Ran again to see if I could smooth it out and it was a great race. Leaders weren't pulling away and I figured it was a full field fuel saving race. Nope, they all pitted lap 4 except for 1 beetle who pitted on 5. The race was on. I had a 14.5 second lead with 3 laps to go. I was holding well, but looking like a close draw until I drifted blanchimont and the chicane on lap 7 and had to cut radillon to not wreck and earned a 1 second penalty. They passed me clean heading into the last couple of corners before the back straight, but I thought I could still keep p2. the 1 second penalty combined with having to still get back up to speed in fuel saving mode cost me the 3 seconds I had and the other driver pulled alongside at braking for the bus stop. I left room and he did as well, but a lag bump sent me a bit wide on the second corner and I lost by 0.1.

It was a good race and if you can manage the tires and shifting the Citroen did a good job. Might do some more after work tonight.
 
Hmm, I’m not sure if the same goes for GR3 to be honest.
The Variety of Cars is somewhat bigger and it shouldn’t be that obvious in that case.
Look, just over the past few Days I did quite a lot of testing and tuning the Gr3 Cars i own.
My Goal was not to make the fastest Tune, my Goal was to make the Cars more drivable and therefore more enjoyable.
I agree that there will eventually ALWAYS be a specific Meta Tune for a specific Meta Car which Suits a specific Track somewhat better, but isn’t it the same as it stands right now?!
When I look up the Leaderboards thesedays, I see 95% of my Homies all using the RCZ for GR3 just as an example.
I tested that Car too and I can confirm that if driven properly it’s without a doubt around 0.5 Seconds to say the least faster than any other GR3 Car I own and have tested.
Why?
Well, because the way it’s set up, it’s just more stable and therefore easier to handle.
So why not giving the People the possibility at least to tune the other Cars in that Group to rival the RCZs‘ dominance.
It should be up to each one, to decide which Car someone prefers.
Not because it’s the fastest, but because it’s the most enjoyable to drive.
I get that many People out there doing Daily Races only care about Competition and I’m fine with that.
But what’s the point in somehow always have an exclusive one make race because of that imbalance?!
Actually like you said, with a Meta Tune for a Meta Car it would obviously be the same.
But isn’t it already like that?!
So to me I still say that tuning gives the People the opportunity to tune and set their Cars they like to drive in a way they want them to behave.
That way everyone is free to choose and enjoy the drive the way we want them to.
And to make it clear, it’s especially needed for the GTWS Manufacturers Series.
Some Cars are in its default Setup so much worse than others that it actually doesn’t even make Sense to drive some Stages.
Just look at the Leaderboard for the upcoming Manufacturers Race at High Speed Ring.
It’s ridiculous how far off most of the Cars are.
To me it’s not because the Drivers are not capable of extracting the most of their Cars.
It’s simply because they are limited to drive them under the locked Setups and therefore not being able to rival the other Cars which just simply have the better Default Settings.
Look, I don’t know if you have tried to drive some MR Gr3 Cars, especially the 458 or the Lambo to only name these two, but trust me these Cars are just a pain in the ass to drive.
So again, my opinion is that it should be up to each one to have the freedom to choose to either tune and setting up the Car they like to enjoy or not.
Me personally, I don’t care if I loose to someone who has a “better tune“ or not.
I just want to set the Car up I like to compete with in the best way I Can do.
If I than should still loose to someone, than I can without a doubt live with that and congratulate the other Guy to have been able to have outperformed me.
Was it his tune or not, in that Situation I don’t care.
He won fair and square, he had the better tune and the Skills to be able to finish in front of me, so be it 😁
I hardly ever drive the meta car, and with tuning I feel like I'm only going to be more at a disadvantage for not using the meta. That the RCZ is op right now is a problem with BoP. PD should fix that.

I tried the Huracan stock, it was nearly impossible to control on Daytona. Same with the Citroen which was really stable in GT Sport. That put me off wasting credits on GR.3 cars so I'm just using the Lexus and Viper.

Anyway I'm allergic to that spreadsheet so will avoid anything with tuning. Hence my biased opinion on wanting to keep that out of sport mode. I still have bad memories of trying to enter the gear numbers for the R18 for that Sarthe race. It's black magic, change one number the others change again and it never matches the screenshots lol.

@O604 That brings up the whole debate again about whether you should drive what you qualify with. It was often the case in GT Sport to set a flying lap with one car, then drive a more stable car in the race. To me, that's also kinda cheating as you can't do that in Manu/Nations races. Can you modify the car between qualifying and racing in real life? Change tune sheets for the race in game?
 
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