GT7 Daily Race Discussion
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PirovacBoy
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- PirovacBoy
You’re not. Exactly the opposite is going to happen when you set the car up to your likings.
You can extract the most out of the chosen Car and don’t blame the awful Stock Settings to have lost or not being able to compete.
I NEVER used a Meta Car either.
Never have, never felt the need to do so.
But just because of the fact that the current BoP favors a specific Car should let you rethink your opinion 😉
See what I mean, thank you.
At least we can agree on that point and therefore let us tune the Cars, at least the LSD Settings. With that we already have solved 90% of the current mess some Cars suffer with.
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- SvennoJ
- SvenZ
I get what you mean. Yet I feel PD should set up the cars correctly or at least in a drive-able state. It's the real driving simulator, not the real mechanic simulator or pit crew simulator.
To me it feels like what project cars did for controller users. Here are a bunch of sliders and numbers, you figure out how to make it possible to drive different cars with a controller. And different cars needed different controller settings. Get it to work for one car, get an invitation for a race in a different car class and back to crashing on the straight due to incompatible steering sensitivity curve or what not.
I agree the current set ups are bad, the current BoP is bad as well. Yet that's on PD. I bought a driving game, no a tinker with numbers, do test laps, tinker with more numbers game. Tuning or rather setups were always optional in GT games, making them practically essential to make a lot of cars controllable, doesn't fly imo.
Setups or fine to get a little bit more out of a car or adjust things to your liking or make it fit better to oval racing. I'm not against allowing setups to squeeze a little more out of a car. But I'm not OK with providing us with terribly handling cars because, well you can fix it if you want.
At least in GT Sport, most cars were competitive. A good driver could win with any GR.3 car.
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Long term I don’t know how they’ll fix this. The default setups are bad. That’s why BOP is broken. Are they going to allow setups, or change the default setups for all the cars? I can’t see the latter happening.
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- jdeviant1983
Just allowing adjustable brake balance would make a huge difference to most of these difficult cars.
I'd also caution again at deciding that what we have now is set in stone. They'e dealing with some major issues in single player that caused a lot of bad press, it's not surprising Sport mode will be on the backburner for the time being. I expect constant tweaks with more substantial changes and developments down the line, and it's noted in their future update preview that custom lobby options will be worked on etc.
I know we all want it now but give them a chance to get their footing, it's not been the greatest launch!
I'd also caution again at deciding that what we have now is set in stone. They'e dealing with some major issues in single player that caused a lot of bad press, it's not surprising Sport mode will be on the backburner for the time being. I expect constant tweaks with more substantial changes and developments down the line, and it's noted in their future update preview that custom lobby options will be worked on etc.
I know we all want it now but give them a chance to get their footing, it's not been the greatest launch!
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- NRW - GT
I think tunning is a very sharp double-edged sword. It may add variety to the "metas" for the tracks, but it could also do the opposite and just further separate the current meta from the field. Example of the RCZ. It is far too manoeuvrable, has excellent grip AND is quite fast. Of course a GT500 for example. has a higher top speed, but that's still not enough to negate the advantage of the RCZ.
In Spa, the GT500 separates me from my RCZ by a good 1 second, which I can hardly catch up with. Even if tuning for the GT500 were possible, it would also be possible for the RCZ, so the RCZ could make up for its deficits, e.g. compensate at top speed. Very good to see in Spa if you drive with automatic (I don't know if you can fix the problem with MT) and from the Eau Rouge comes on the Kemmel, the speed goes down when you switch to 6 gear and then slowly again to rise. In my opinion, the 6th gear is too long and the spread between 5 and 6 is too high. If I fix that with tuning, the RCZ will reach the top speed of the GT500 and Co.
So what should tuning now improve?
I don't currently have any hope that other vehicles will be able to compete with the RCZ through tuning.
In Spa, the GT500 separates me from my RCZ by a good 1 second, which I can hardly catch up with. Even if tuning for the GT500 were possible, it would also be possible for the RCZ, so the RCZ could make up for its deficits, e.g. compensate at top speed. Very good to see in Spa if you drive with automatic (I don't know if you can fix the problem with MT) and from the Eau Rouge comes on the Kemmel, the speed goes down when you switch to 6 gear and then slowly again to rise. In my opinion, the 6th gear is too long and the spread between 5 and 6 is too high. If I fix that with tuning, the RCZ will reach the top speed of the GT500 and Co.
So what should tuning now improve?
I don't currently have any hope that other vehicles will be able to compete with the RCZ through tuning.
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- Ulricehamn
Yes you can. There are series where they use a special engine with more power but less reliability for Qualifying.
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two race C’s last night starting from the back unqualified, C/S, McLaren 650S. Had a nightmare first stint coming off several times, pitted end of lap four came back out and fought my way back to P10 with my fastest lap 1/10th slower than fastest lap of race. Second race I was consistent throughout and went from P16 to P7 I was closing in on that fastest lap again when it suddenly went a full 2 seconds faster than the target I’d been chasing. Going to work on a Q time and see what I can do from the front of the grid!
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- AlexXLionN
The differential. Oh my god the differential stock settings are genuinely crap. If only they could change that one setting, everything would be 10x better
Also please let me change brake balance like in sport, why the hell should that be an optional tuning part on a race car it makes no sense from any standpoint.
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I think they want and encourage people to tune but the single player dynamics haven’t transitioned at all well to online. Stuff like oil changes is all just weird for online. They should have two options when you start the game. Not music rally and world map but Single player and sport mode l
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- potatoe506
Oil changes etc. are annoying even from a single player perspective, just there to act as a money sink.
I think the problem with that Daytona race was that it used power/weight restrictions instead of PP, or even just keeping BoP turned on but with open setups. A lot of Gr.3 cars weren't viable because they were already heavier than the restriction, or they were so light that even with a 200kg ballast you couldn't reach the restrictions. So we were left with a limited choice of cars to pick from, and bhp isn't produced in the same way by different cars so we had some which were much faster than others on the straights even though they had the same peak power. And it had pitstops too which gave the RX-Vision a huge advantage, the Supra GT500 for example was pretty fast but it used fuel way too fast to be race competitive.
As others have said, they need to give the cars better setups at stock. There is always going to be a meta car with BoP for each track, it's impossible to avoid this because of the trade-offs of less power/less weight Vs. more power/more weight, but there are certain cars which will never be competitive because of how badly they are setup. Once we have good stock setups for everything, it creates a platform to introduce open setups in a way that doesn't completely screw over anyone running a stock setup.
If every car has a good 'general' setup then it means that there is a lot less time that can be shaved off by adjusting the setup for a specific track. And the changes would be so much easier for most players to grasp, basic stuff like changing the max speed of your gearing and adjusting downforce. You wouldn't need to bother with the more complicated stuff that puts players off as there would be hardly any time to be gained from doing so. BoP with open setups (excluding power and weight) would become genuinely viable as a way for players who don't want to mess with setups to still have good races.
I think the problem with that Daytona race was that it used power/weight restrictions instead of PP, or even just keeping BoP turned on but with open setups. A lot of Gr.3 cars weren't viable because they were already heavier than the restriction, or they were so light that even with a 200kg ballast you couldn't reach the restrictions. So we were left with a limited choice of cars to pick from, and bhp isn't produced in the same way by different cars so we had some which were much faster than others on the straights even though they had the same peak power. And it had pitstops too which gave the RX-Vision a huge advantage, the Supra GT500 for example was pretty fast but it used fuel way too fast to be race competitive.
As others have said, they need to give the cars better setups at stock. There is always going to be a meta car with BoP for each track, it's impossible to avoid this because of the trade-offs of less power/less weight Vs. more power/more weight, but there are certain cars which will never be competitive because of how badly they are setup. Once we have good stock setups for everything, it creates a platform to introduce open setups in a way that doesn't completely screw over anyone running a stock setup.
If every car has a good 'general' setup then it means that there is a lot less time that can be shaved off by adjusting the setup for a specific track. And the changes would be so much easier for most players to grasp, basic stuff like changing the max speed of your gearing and adjusting downforce. You wouldn't need to bother with the more complicated stuff that puts players off as there would be hardly any time to be gained from doing so. BoP with open setups (excluding power and weight) would become genuinely viable as a way for players who don't want to mess with setups to still have good races.
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Good point. PD tried to balance GR.1 by limiting the higher top speed of the R92CP by letting it bounce off the rev limiter on the straight. If you can change the gearing, then away it goes. Or PD will reduce its power making it even less competitive coming out of corners vs hybrids. (It would be better to separate GR.1 from GR.C, modern hybrids vs 90s power houses, just odd)
But that's what BoP will need to do to the RCZ, lower its HP, increase the weight until its lap times are equal with the other GR.3 cars after setting them all up properly. Sophy could run all the tests. Maybe the AI will come to the game as a tuning aid? It would be nice to have a tool that can do test laps at higher simulation rate to give you quick feedback on what changes have affect on lap times.
There are other variables of course. BoP for no tire wear, no fuel weight races should be different than BoP for races with those enabled. Again Sophy should be able to provide a repeatable unbiased tool to test the differences.
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- jdeviant1983
1. Just have a crack at is, is my advice. The worst you can finish is last, and you could spin, crash and finish there anyway.
But I get people are keen to succeed and often obsessed with their DR, in those moments I'd recommend:
Mistah MCA
The World's Most Okay Tunes
Hey everyone, Mistah_MCA here. This is a lap guide where I'll be posting my tunes for the brave souls that want to try them out. Let's get this started. 31 March '23 - Toyota MR2 tune for WTC600 Tokyo (credits) added! 8 November '22 - This page is under construction, so things may look messy...
www.gtplanet.net
Harmonic
Harmonic's Tuning Guides
Hey all, this thread will be dedicated to all of my tuning guide videos! How to Tune Gears How to Tune Suspension - Part 1: Natural Frequencies and Dampers How to Tune Suspension - Part 2: Camber, Toe, and Roll Bars Do NOT Use Rotational G for Optimizing a Tune The PP System Is Broken...
www.gtplanet.net
Both very helpful, explanatory, and have solid tunes for the most used car in any session aiming for speed and handling, not going too crazy with it.
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Those are very good suggestions and ideas, but I'm afraid if Sophie did the tuning for the players, the game wouldn't be as interesting. But as a "test driver" on the other hand... That would really be a brilliant idea.
In GTS the Supra was often a meta, but at no time did I have such a strong feeling of superiority as I do with the RCZ right now and I definitely think that needs to change. I believe all 5-10% less power and maybe a little more weight and the rest of the field would be closer.
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I don’t think the RCZ is meta because it’s quicker but because you can power out of corners earlier and with confidence that you can’t with the other cars. Making it heavier or slower seems like a bodge.
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I think these 2 weeks of BOP races has revealed my true feelings about the matter... I do like fixed settings to an extent, its kinda nostalgic for GT Sport veterans.
Now, if PD have the possibility to let us tune SPECIFIC parts of the tuning sheets only (say transmission or aerodynamics or gearbox ratios) and then slap on a PP limit we would have a fairer but still less predicable situation.
Now, if PD have the possibility to let us tune SPECIFIC parts of the tuning sheets only (say transmission or aerodynamics or gearbox ratios) and then slap on a PP limit we would have a fairer but still less predicable situation.
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Has anyone else noticed that the lap time gap between the poll car and the 16th car is greater than the same differential in GTS?
I‘m running Race C from midfield and I’m 3 seconds a lap slower
I‘m running Race C from midfield and I’m 3 seconds a lap slower
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- bone_tone
Yes, I've noticed it too. In fact I haven't been running in the Dailies much, as I'm so far off the pace. I used to be much closer to top 10 times, and pole QT in GTS.Has anyone else noticed that the lap time gap between the poll car and the 16th car greater than the same differential in GTS?
I‘m running Race C from midfield and I’m 3 seconds a lap slower
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The pace is pretty crazy in the rooms I’ve been placed that I’m not really qualified to be in honestly. Racing against people with 90k+ DR when I’m (was) in the 30s is a bit silly. Tanked my DR so I’m back to A/B which is probably a fairer reflection of my abilities but I was at a steady A so sad to lose that.
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- bone_tone
I have to keep checking I haven't got my brakes stuck on! I started, and finished, every race at Brands last week in last place, with my fastest race lap usually 3 seconds slower than the driver with fastest lap.
That was in the RCZ too, which has been my go to Gr3 car for years (before it became the new META in other words!).
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For me, this has also been the consequence of qualifiers no longer counting towards daily mileage.
I realize I could run a custom time trial at the specific course and have it “count”, but that’s not quite the same
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The guys fuel sipping and on ragged tyres at Spa REALLY need to go easy if they are caught before the last lap. I AM going to pass you, it is inevitable, by all means take a defensive line but sweet baby jebus the blocking and swerving and nerfing etc, and i still inevitably get past, you're just costing yourself time you giblet.
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I’m exactly the same! I’ve started to think that maybe other folk have some “option” ticked in their set-up that I don’t.
In Race C, the RCZ has my worse lap time. How on earth it‘s the Meta is beyond me.
I’m at the point that maybe I have to totally forget what I learned in GTS and start again. Not sure if thats possible. Only time will tell I guess. ❔
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I swear the Gr3 cars are down 100hp compared to GTS. Times are just not there despite the much better turn in.
