GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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TheNormsk
The stats are interesting and I've been thinking recently, seeing posts here of people getting poles and victories, what is the rate I might expect this. Apart from the one week with the tuner cars around Suzuka, I have found getting on the podium a challenge. When I do, it is usually 3rd and pole are not existant as well. I find that if I qualify well I might start P2/P3 as there is always someone faster and then if I do well in that race, say get a podium, my DR goes up and I get put in lobbies with faster DR B drivers and then I QT mid pack and race mid pack. That continues until I finish in the bottom 8 and my DR drops and I get into easier lobbies again; and so I bounce around. I never get into a lobby where I am competitive enough to win because being in the bottom 20% DR B, if I do well I just get promoted into harder lobbies.

So I pulled your stats to compare.

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Not exactly a large sample population but I do see I am somewhat off the mark. For the 163 races I've done since January my clean, fastest, pole, victory and top 5 states are somewhat lower than the others here.

Do I'm wondering, given the number of races you've done, do you recall that your earlier races where more like mine, where you bounced around lobbies seemingly to never win, but then over the course of races you started to find your flow? Does the winning become easier the more races you do?

Or, more likely, do I just suck? :D
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Yeah, I posted earlier that I have about 1500 races and 11 victories (not at the console now, not sure how many top 5). This is my first online racing experience, I had played forza (6 and 7?) but never online. I remember slogging around C lobbies but I always shot myself in the foot. It wasn't until I could handle various situations without losing my wits, running clean and consistent laps that I really started improving and climbing up the B ranks. (And it's a great feeling to handle the pressure)

I still bounce between high and mid B (had A once or twice, never kept it long), it always just depends on the week's races and my strengths/weaknesses. I am always a solid silver in the TT and I think I read that is pretty much the definition of a good B driver.

I'd be really curious what the stats are for my last 500 races as opposed to all of them. But I'm mostly just happy for good races and the stats will do what they do.
 
Fezzik
Don’t know how everyone is so damn quick in the Honda 272. Maybe all using max assists (CSA and ASM feel wrong for something like that).

Not a car for me, I need downforce.
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I don’t know if my answer is useful to you but let me try. I am a C/S rated slow snail. The only assist I use are ABS and TCS. I’ve driven without TCS and it is much faster but I would rather trade faster times for more consistency. And my fastest qualifying lap is 1:57.xxx. General race lap times are 1:59.xxx.

During qualifying, you can slow down on chicanes enough to properly aim to get orange bumps under your car, giving you less to steer and thus monstrous exit speed, while avoiding track cutting penalty.

I don’t do that in race because of risk of track cutting penalty. That’s all really. I am pretty slow on corners, focusing on exit speed. And I avoid drafting before starting to brake. This way I haven’t really felt need for downforce on this fun little rocket.
 
Side-by-side comparison between me and one of the Q leaders, through the first 3 turns at Interlagos. I lose .367 seconds, and the differences are so subtle it's amazing. Yes, I'm running TCS 1, and that's a factor, but it's more about braking timing, and the proper racing line. When I study things like this, I'm absolutely amazed at how marvelous the human mind is, to be able to make the kinds of tiny adjustments necessary to be so good (not me - the leader).

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TheNormsk
Do I'm wondering, given the number of races you've done, do you recall that your earlier races where more like mine, where you bounced around lobbies seemingly to never win, but then over the course of races you started to find your flow? Does the winning become easier the more races you do?

Or, more likely, do I just suck? :D
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I remember that I was thinking I was winning more often than I thought I would, and that I got pole position (or top 3 or so) more than my fair share of the time. Probably because I've always been a grinder as far as Q times are concerned. Again, I can do this because I'm retired.

I absolutely can not win unless I start right near the top, unless zombies attack the lead drivers. So people who come from behind and win regularly are the true aliens, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Leon Kowalski
My understanding is that it is going to be a rain race.
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I hope they do it better than the Manufacturers race was implemented today. What a piece of junk! If you guess wrong on the weather before the race, it’s over. And the pit stop is so long that if you make a mistake there it’s also over. And the weather radar is junk. And there is no forecast. And you can use either weather tires or Race Hard?! This was the stupidest race I ever tried, and I doubt I’ll ever do another weather race again. I’m still furious, but you can see my post on that thread if you want details.

tldr; the weather races suck.
 
Like I said, if I start near the top, I stand a chance. :D

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I would really like to see more standing starts and controlled standing starts outside of Race A, it's pretty boring to continually have rolling starts. This goes beyond the dailies though and into the Cups, all of the Manufacturer's Cup races have been rolling starts and today's race at Spa with a rolling start sucks royally if you're at the back, as it starts you on the hairpin. Standing starts can cause a bit of chaos admittedly but it's vastly more interesting that people diving into whatever T1 it is with cold tyres with no knowledge of the lower speed braking points.
 
Bullwinkle
I hope they do it better than the Manufacturers race was implemented today. What a piece of junk! If you guess wrong on the weather before the race, it’s over. And the pit stop is so long that if you make a mistake there it’s also over. And the weather radar is junk. And there is no forecast. And you can use either weather tires or Race Hard?! This was the stupidest race I ever tried, and I doubt I’ll ever do another weather race again. I’m still furious, but you can see my post on that thread if you want details.

tldr; the weather races suck.
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The weather in the races match what is happening in the warm-up and qualifying, so I don't think that's something that should matter. It's been the same for every rain race they do - you hop into the track to see what the track status/weather forecast is, and pick based on that.

Could be more intuitive for sure, but the information is all there.
 
Bullwinkle
I hope they do it better than the Manufacturers race was implemented today. What a piece of junk! If you guess wrong on the weather before the race, it’s over. And the pit stop is so long that if you make a mistake there it’s also over. And the weather radar is junk. And there is no forecast. And you can use either weather tires or Race Hard?! This was the stupidest race I ever tried, and I doubt I’ll ever do another weather race again. I’m still furious, but you can see my post on that thread if you want details.

tldr; the weather races suck.
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Fiat 500 isn't on race tyres so you can run the same tyres regardless of rain or shine.
So I highly doubt it will rain
 
TheNormsk
The stats are interesting and I've been thinking recently, seeing posts here of people getting poles and victories, what is the rate I might expect this. Apart from the one week with the tuner cars around Suzuka, I have found getting on the podium a challenge. When I do, it is usually 3rd and pole are not existant as well. I find that if I qualify well I might start P2/P3 as there is always someone faster and then if I do well in that race, say get a podium, my DR goes up and I get put in lobbies with faster DR B drivers and then I QT mid pack and race mid pack. That continues until I finish in the bottom 8 and my DR drops and I get into easier lobbies again; and so I bounce around. I never get into a lobby where I am competitive enough to win because being in the bottom 20% DR B, if I do well I just get promoted into harder lobbies.

So I pulled your stats to compare.

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Not exactly a large sample population but I do see I am somewhat off the mark. For the 163 races I've done since January my clean, fastest, pole, victory and top 5 states are somewhat lower than the others here.

Do I'm wondering, given the number of races you've done, do you recall that your earlier races where more like mine, where you bounced around lobbies seemingly to never win, but then over the course of races you started to find your flow? Does the winning become easier the more races you do?

Or, more likely, do I just suck? :D
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Absolutely awesome post.

Other people's mileage will be different.

So for me me I didn't play sport online due to to time and in all honesty life stuff, no place or investment in to my console.

However I play sport mode/game option a lot more.

My first 100 races were an absolute cluster....I was quicker but aggressive and also started investing in my kit but that's been a journey.

In the 500 range of races "I got it" so to speak so didn't push hard for positions and started to focus on qualifying. But even then I was lazy and over achieving in lower lobbies.

1000 races in I now race like someone is watching me. I put a lot of time in to understand the track and lots of time dicing with peeps. Learning race craft and pressure based competitive racing.

2000 races in I am comfortable saying I bounce between B and A and hold my own, am also complimented in my lobbies and can post sub 1500 or 1000 times.

It's about what you put in, and understanding or bringing real world attitudes to the game.

It is a journey, and one that is about constant learning and nuance.

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Racing is not result stats, it's how you perform in the moment. So I focus on those moments now and not the wins/top 5s etc. I'm comfortable enough to say I won't do the races next week because I won't enjoy them or do well at them.
 
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finally had a chance to take a few laps with the current dailies. Race A I bailed about 2 laps in after being brutalized into last and penalized for it. Race C I started 13th finished 5th on a one stop with the Vette. Not too bad, was fun. Decided to try again with the Mustang. Bailed about half way through after being brutalized again. Meh I think I'm just burned out on bad racing on bad circuits with bad tire choices.
 
dcalde78
I would really like to see more standing starts and controlled standing starts outside of Race A, it's pretty boring to continually have rolling starts. This goes beyond the dailies though and into the Cups, all of the Manufacturer's Cup races have been rolling starts and today's race at Spa with a rolling start sucks royally if you're at the back, as it starts you on the hairpin. Standing starts can cause a bit of chaos admittedly but it's vastly more interesting that people diving into whatever T1 it is with cold tyres with no knowledge of the lower speed braking points.
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I don’t know about your race, but mine was a weird standing start that seemed to start in stages, because I was at a standstill with the last few cars in the grid with a countdown. Was that not normal for everyone else?
Nebuc72
The weather in the races match what is happening in the warm-up and qualifying, so I don't think that's something that should matter. It's been the same for every rain race they do - you hop into the track to see what the track status/weather forecast is, and pick based on that.

Could be more intuitive for sure, but the information is all there.
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Well, except that my radar showed a bunch of clouds rolling in so I chose inters, only to have zero rain all race. That’s not very good pre-race information if I’m supposed to interpret the clouds-but-no-rain-at-quali to mean that it’s just never going to rain in 24 laps. That’s not much strategy, just choosing a tire and sticking with it.

At least that was my experience today.
 
Bullwinkle
I don’t know about your race, but mine was a weird standing start that seemed to start in stages, because I was at a standstill with the last few cars in the grid with a countdown. Was that not normal for everyone else?

Well, except that my radar showed a bunch of clouds rolling in so I chose inters, only to have zero rain all race. That’s not very good pre-race information if I’m supposed to interpret the clouds-but-no-rain-at-quali to mean that it’s just never going to rain in 24 laps. That’s not much strategy, just choosing a tire and sticking with it.

At least that was my experience today.
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Light blue means cloudy/light rain, and it scales up from there. If it's light blue it's usually safe to use dry tyres. Again, it matches qualifying - so if qualifying was dry then you could tell there was going to be at least a few laps of dry track.

Obviously, the tyres aren't supposed to last the whole race if the weather changes either. You got a dry race, I had a fully wet race with about 2 laps of dryness in the middle, with the rain being light at the start and then hammering down at the end. That's where the strategy comes in, adapting to what the weather throws at you.
The weather moved pretty slow in that race so if you saw a cloud appear in the radar, you had about 2 laps to prepare before it hit you.

Nothing is explained to you so I suppose it's not very intuitive, but you certainly aren't blind for strategy. All the information you need is avaliable.
 
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dcalde78
I would really like to see more standing starts and controlled standing starts outside of Race A, it's pretty boring to continually have rolling starts. This goes beyond the dailies though and into the Cups, all of the Manufacturer's Cup races have been rolling starts and today's race at Spa with a rolling start sucks royally if you're at the back, as it starts you on the hairpin. Standing starts can cause a bit of chaos admittedly but it's vastly more interesting that people diving into whatever T1 it is with cold tyres with no knowledge of the lower speed braking points.
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Same with Trial Mountain. If you are P15+ you are starting in the chicane. Totally sucks.
 
Imagine next week is going to be a ghost town in Race C. PD better off either getting more serious about the F1/Gr.1/Gr.2 cars or just relegating them to Race A. No sense in wasting a Race C on a car most people don't own or care to invest time in.

My "cars" at this point are the Gr.3 AMG, Gr.3 Mustang, Gr.3 911, Gr.3 Ford GT and Gr.4 Mustang/Cayman. I know them and trust them with my DR. Made the mistake of getting into that Gr.2 race a few weeks back and won't be doing that again.
 
TheOneDonJuan
Imagine next week is going to be a ghost town in Race C. PD better off either getting more serious about the F1/Gr.1/Gr.2 cars or just relegating them to Race A. No sense in wasting a Race C on a car most people don't own or care to invest time in.

My "cars" at this point are the Gr.3 AMG, Gr.3 Mustang, Gr.3 911, Gr.3 Ford GT and Gr.4 Mustang/Cayman. I know them and trust them with my DR. Made the mistake of getting into that Gr.2 race a few weeks back and won't be doing that again.
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I'd rather not every week become Gr.3 Gr.4 on repeat. It's close enough to that as it is.
I very much welcome the odd Gr.2 or Super Formula race to mix things up. It's more than needed.
 
TheOneDonJuan
Made the mistake of getting into that Gr.2 race a few weeks back and won't be doing that again.
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I thought I’d hate the Gr2 race last week but ended out LOVING it once I got used to the car. But there were also very strong feelings about Maggiore Reverse, so it made for a pretty sparse week.
Nebuc72
I'd rather not every week become Gr.3 Gr.4 on repeat. It's close enough to that as it is.
I very much welcome the odd Gr.2 or Super Formula race to mix things up. It's more than needed.
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It wouldn’t be so bad if more tracks and situations were used. The races keep feeling the same because they pretty much are the same! Imagine how much fun Race C could be of there were to be very high tire wear paired with high fuel consumption? If we went into those races with several options of tire compounds and stops it would make for very good races.
 
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I don't think you could find anyone here who would argue that Sport as it is is perfect or even PD is doing more than a passable job, we have all had our rants about it over the year since release.

But I couldn't support limiting competitive daillies further to just Gr 3 and 4 because some players are not comfortable outside of those series. Gr 2 racers and the SF19's are great cars that produce incredible driving experiences and good races (when combo'd correctly) they just need to be learned as you would any other.

I'm very comfortable in Gr 2 so why should my preferences be reduced to Race A fodder?
 
Bullwinkle
I don’t know about your race, but mine was a weird standing start that seemed to start in stages, because I was at a standstill with the last few cars in the grid with a countdown. Was that not normal for everyone else?

Well, except that my radar showed a bunch of clouds rolling in so I chose inters, only to have zero rain all race. That’s not very good pre-race information if I’m supposed to interpret the clouds-but-no-rain-at-quali to mean that it’s just never going to rain in 24 laps. That’s not much strategy, just choosing a tire and sticking with it.

At least that was my experience today.
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Just regular rolling starts in my attempts. Managed a P2 my first time, tried again later on and ended up leading for a while towards the end of the race but the rain started coming down and it was just enough to need inters, but as we were only about 3 laps from the end of the race I chose to hang out on the slicks, which was the wrong decision. Very happy with my P2 though, the Cup races always feel that bit more satisfying to get right, likely just due to the length as 24 laps of Spa takes some concentration
 
Another thing I'd like to mention now that I think about it is just the sheer length of pit stops. I get that they need to be balanced enough to not be inconsequential, which seemed to be the case in Sport (going by old YouTube videos anyway, I never played much of Sport) but as it stands the time it takes to actually get to the box is ludicrous. It could just be my mind but I'm sure that PD do change pit times occasionally for races that require them but taking 20 something seconds to even stop in the pits in what should be a short lane is ridiculous
 
Haven't been that close to a win in a very long time.

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Was on the ragged edge trying to catch up, but also having to hold off a whole swarm behind.

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Will probably call it quits there. Actually spent some time on qualification, dropped over a second off my time and still only lined up 10th. Too much stress and disappointment for a lazy Sunday morning.

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Fezzik
Haven't been that close to a win in a very long time.

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Was on the ragged edge trying to catch up, but also having to hold off a whole swarm behind.

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Will probably call it quits there. Actually spent some time on qualification, dropped over a second off my time and still only lined up 10th. Too much stress and disappointment for a lazy Sunday morning.

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Gained 8 positions. Nicely done mate!
 
Got a penalty on Interlagos just now for ignoring a yellow flag.

Yes Polyphony, I ignored the yellow flag this was primarily because I was in the middle of crashing for cry it out loud.
 
Rossell2
Got a penalty on Interlagos just now for ignoring a yellow flag.

Yes Polyphony, I ignored the yellow flag this was primarily because I was in the middle of crashing for cry it out loud.
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Seriously? That totally sucks. It truly is adding insult to injury.

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I just had a really fun and exciting race at Interlagos. Right down to the wire. For... P8-P10.
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It just goes to show that it's not about winning - it's about the fun and competition, no matter what. For the most part it was a clean race, with some great overtakes, and some miscues for all players involved. Leads switched a lot, some overtake attempts failed - plenty of action.

And for those who care about DR, you can start P12 or P13, and still gain DR if you drive well (assuming of course you don't get taken out in a wreckfest), and lose it if you don't:
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Details on how this information was obtained can be found here, but it's boring.
 
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GrumpyOldMan
Seriously? That totally sucks. It truly is adding insult to injury.
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Yep. Took evasive into turn one because I realised I was going to go into the back of someone, lost the car but the game registered me as having done an overtake in the yellow because I was steaming past it in the wrong direction. Ah well 😂
 

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