GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[appu]

What kind of lap times are people doing in daily race B? My QT is in the 2:05s, but my race lap times are 2:09 - 2:11. Anyone else experiencing that, or do I just suck? (I suspect suckage is the answer.)

Interesting to see replies from others. I've exactly opposite experience. My qualifying time is 2:06.5. In dirty air behind a fast driver, I get 2:07.x. But in clean air, I get 2:08-2:09.x.

I get fastest lap when I am chasing a CLK at perfect distance (just close enough to slipstream on straight but not close enough to be hampered by CLK's poor cornering). I drive Nismo'16.

I can not get the hang of spa to save my life, what's the baraking point for that big sweeping turn where your supposed to just let off the throttle, I always fly a mile wide

Are you DR-B? If yes, my advice may help you- Just before start of the turn, hit full brakes for half a second. Turn the car and mash the throttle (works even at TC 0). You will take the entire big sweeping corner with immense grip and pull half a second over your rivals. You will get it wrong many times until you nail the timing perfectly.

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Different topic: A strange thing happened yesterday. I had been getting Clean-Race-Bonus every second race but in my last race, during Kemmel straight, a driver was glitching due to their poor connection and suddenly we crashed outta nowhere. I got 2 second penalty and it dropped my SR to A. It was my first ever drop from S. Hope to get it back soon.

 

[Tommy_D]

Hey, just got my first podium on Daily B! Not my best driving but it was consistent, which a lot of the times is key to getting a good finish position. I was fortunate enough to get through the mess of turn 1 unscathed and managed to move up from p9 to p3 and kept that position for the whole race.

 

[hollowkatt]

What kind of lap times are people doing in daily race B? My QT is in the 2:05s, but my race lap times are 2:09 - 2:11. Anyone else experiencing that, or do I just suck? (I suspect suckage is the answer.)

I just set a 2:04:9xx in qualifying. The race I joined after that my times were in the 2:06:5xx range. I think I'm consistently lapping in the 2:06 range with the occasional 2:05/10 depending on traffic and where I started the race.

If I started lower than 4th or so likely my times will be closer to the 2:10 range. if I started in the top 4 and the racing is clean closer to the 2:06 range.
I don't think it's that you suck I think it's that you're racing people closer for position than I am. You're also a ranking or two higher than I am so if I get a top 3 start I'm going to run away from the field and only fight one or two drivers. I think you otoh are fighting drivers almost all the way around so your lap times are likely representative of the battling more so than skill or lack thereof

 

[Bullwinkle]

Bullwinkle, that was me (Slowpony17) in two races with you. The race in between those I got an "all B" group and won..yippee. I started 2nd and the 1st guy lost it left out of the chicane and I just cruised and avoided penalties at all cost. Lucky for me as his QT was 1/2 a second faster than me so there was no way I was catching him.

I think you were just testing cars in the races we were in You were in the Mustang the 2nd race....??

Oh cool! I didn't recognize you when you said hi. Friend me and I'll try to keep track. I wish GT7 would mark our friends when we're in races with them.

Before it gets too late, I figured I'd post some photos from last week's Race A.
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My very first time through the first chicane after someone was too eager on the throttle next to me.


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In a later race, I got "Verstappened" at the first chicane as well. Still finished ahead of them, though I had to settle for 2nd instead of a probable win.


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3-wide through the 2nd chicane worked surprisingly well...this time...


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4-wide through the Lesmos? Not such a good idea...


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Taking the lead in style.

Holy crap! You're car's jumping for joy, isn't it?!

Yeah. I've been super frustrated for some reason at the actual races this week and those two races were the absolute worst. I get that there is going to be some bumping in Daily A, but sometimes people get downright rude about things.

This morning, there was an A+ rated guy with 800+ races going around CRASHING PEOPLE because he didn't like the way they were racing with other people. I ended up watching the replays for the incidents, two guys were battling through the chicane and one went wide through the grass on the right side and came back on track to bang into the guy he was racing, with no one crashing. This other yahoo for some reason thought it was his responsibility to take the guy out that went wide through the grass.



in the previous race, he decided to get payback for some perceived slight against him. Takes out the dude in the chicane in a total pack of 5 cars. Take a wild guess on who was in that pack and who didn't make it out alive...


I'm tired of this race. Like, tears of frustration mad because I love the short version of Watkins Glen.

I think that was the race where two guys were working as a team in the same livery and were just abusing people who dared oppose them. One of those guys didn't like that I passed him on the last lap and tried to take the inside line at the chicane and then slowed down so much as a result that I hit him, and he retaliated for being where he wanted to be and knocked me into the next county. I went so far off track after the chicane that I couldn't figure out which direction I was heading, got a wall penalty AND an off track penalty, and somehow this guy was still behind me. He passed me on the back straight, making needless contact of course, and got in front of me for the second-to-last turn. I just couldn't help myself and blasted him so far off track he got stuck in that sand before the last turn. I'm not proud, and I had a 7 second penalty at the end of the race, but I still finished before him so that little devil on my shoulder got a giggle. But I had to quit for the night after that.

"Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads!"

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"The Real Driving Simulator". Because in IRL, hitting one of those cushiony poles can launch a 2-ton car 3-5 feet into the air.

I've done that. Not in VR though, but still a trip!

Take off!
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Not where you want to end up!
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Full sequence. Those are some powerful springs in those bollards!

I think it's those little pucks on the track and not the pylons that are launching the cars. They look like land mines, and I think they're catching the chassis somewhere so if you hit them just right they blow the car up like land mines too.

I wonder how you all would react if the Daily format was changed to be like the GTWS races - where you have to qualify before every race in the car you're going to use. No more perfecting your times over 100 laps, no more waiting until it gets dark for the optimum conditions.

Just set a time and race.

I'd absolutely love this, at least for Race C. It may actually encourage people to try the Series races as well.

i would really support that change. first of all, qualifying is fun!
And, especially at some tracks, for example DTS, you can just attempt time and time again to throw yourself pretty much full throttle through the chicane of death and at one time you might get that good qualifying time. it may takes hours though, re-starting the lap again and again.

But in the actual race you can not drive like that as that time is not representative to your actual skill level. And in a one lap qualifying lap one can not take such risks and just throw the car through a chicane.

Also; if you are waiting stationary on track for like twenty minutes so that you can drive in the dark and win a tenth or so then you are taking things a bit to serious.

I think in the name or fairness it would have to be a solo flying lap come the race to set the grid, the griefing in daily race qualifying sessions with 16 cars on track would not be a good scene imo, I can understand why it works in the gtws but you definitely aren't getting that caliber of driving standards in daily lobbies every half an hour haha. Would also keep things streamlined and probably not cause too much issue with timing the race intervals.

And the diffrents in driving quality. The dailys are already rough, imagin those crash people who ruin youre hotlap in a qualy.

yeah, I would be ok with a flying lap or two in dailies to qualify but only if everyone is ghosted. Jockeying for space and worrying about having your lap ruined or ruining someone else's lap stresses me.

I'm wondering if people might actually learn how to race cleaner if they had to depend on clean laps for good starting positions. Maybe, just maybe, people would finally realize that it's faster to cooperate and work together on the track rather than simply trying to barge through traffic. It may be the exact opposite, but I hold out a little hope that if PD isn't going to enforce penalties then at least people would eventually learn that clean driving actually has a benefit if there were consequences for bad driving.

I can not get the hang of spa to save my life, what's the baraking point for that big sweeping turn where your supposed to just let off the throttle, I always fly a mile wide

That's exactly the same place that's killing me this week. I'm so slow that I don't dare run a race because all I'd be doing is finishing last, donating my points, and relegating myself to a much lower DR.

 

[hollowkatt]

So what I've been doing at Double Gauche/Pouhon is head into the corner in 5th with the throttle hammered. As soon as I see the black tire marks starting to bend I hammer the brakes for long enough to downshift into 4th then hammer the throttle again upshifting back to fifth about 1/3 of the way through the first part of the turn and carry that speed all the way through to the next right hand bend.

Basically this: entry speed near 150ish, brake to about 135/140 and downshift to rotate, then hammer the throttle again and upshift asap to carry the most speed into the next corner. Obvs you can't really watch numbers in real time like that and still watch the track but it quickly becomes muscle memory and you can always just do qualy sessions till you get the feel down

If you get it right you'll gap the car behind by nearly half a second unless they're doing that strat as well.
I have not had success keeping it in 5th and lifting I almost always understeer wide into the slippery green stuff.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Thanks, everyone, for confirming what I already thought - I'm running terrible times during an actual race at Spa. I'm pretty sure it's because I'm way too concerned with everyone else, and not enough about myself. Time to bear down, which I can definitely do.

Regarding "dirty air", I thought I understood what it is, but the way some of you use the term, it makes me wonder. So can someone explain it for me? Thanks.

 

[TheNormsk]

So what I've been doing at Double Gauche/Pouhon is head into the corner in 5th with the throttle hammered. As soon as I see the black tire marks starting to bend I hammer the brakes for long enough to downshift into 4th then hammer the throttle again upshifting back to fifth about 1/3 of the way through the first part of the turn and carry that speed all the way through to the next right hand bend.

Basically this: entry speed near 150ish, brake to about 135/140 and downshift to rotate, then hammer the throttle again and upshift asap to carry the most speed into the next corner. Obvs you can't really watch numbers in real time like that and still watch the track but it quickly becomes muscle memory and you can always just do qualy sessions till you get the feel down

If you get it right you'll gap the car behind by nearly half a second unless they're doing that strat as well.
I have not had success keeping it in 5th and lifting I almost always understeer wide into the slippery green stuff.

Downshifting to 4th is safer but essentially slower than staying in 5th. You should still dab the brakes and not just lift but how much is open to debate (I aim for about 30-50%). Staying in 5th will have you carry more speed out but dropping to 4th is usually safer but that is usually because you end up braking more so enter slower...

That said I am more consistent when I downshift to 4th, but I get my QT times when I stay in 5th..

Which brings me to this. I showed the glitchy car further up the thread but this was the actual race. Totally mental.

 

[hollowkatt]

Thanks, everyone, for confirming what I already thought - I'm running terrible times during an actual race at Spa. I'm pretty sure it's because I'm way too concerned with everyone else, and not enough about myself. Time to bear down, which I can definitely do.

Regarding "dirty air", I thought I understood what it is, but the way some of you use the term, it makes me wonder. So can someone explain it for me? Thanks.

ok so you're vaguely familiar with generalized aerodynamics right?

When a car is travelling by itself it "pierces" the clean air with the hood/nose of the car and as it flows over the car it becomes more and more turbulent. As someone who lives near water I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept that turbulent fluids (of which air is) behave differently than calm fluids with respect to density yeah?

So when the turbulent air flows over the car/spoiler/out the underbody it becomes even more turbulent and unpredictable.
Your cars aerodynamic aids are designed to work with stable and predictable air, not turbulent air so when you are following a car while you do gain increased top speed because you're not pushing air out of the way at the same volume that the leading car is you're also suffering with respect to cornering because you don't have the same predictable and stable mass of air to hold your car down, you've got turbulent and unpredictable air that isn't going to aid in cornering nearly as well.

Hopefully that makes some amount of sense.

 

[Fezzik]

Regarding "dirty air", I thought I understood what it is, but the way some of you use the term, it makes me wonder. So can someone explain it for me? Thanks.

Very basically - the aero parts on a car disrupt the airflow. If you are following behind (within a certain distance) you will be within that disrupted air and it won't offer you as much downforce as being in "clean" air.

On a straight it's ok as you'll benefit more from the slipstream, but through the corners you'll really feel it. Harder to follow closely in a car of similar performance.

 

[NevilleNobody]

It's really noticeable through Pouhon and the right hander after the esses. YOu also feel it through the Malmedy complex, key thing is jumping on the brakes early enough but then you are inevitably pushed off the road.

I was really peeved last night, either I run people off the road or I get pushed off myself. No one wanted to properly race, it was insanely bad.

 

[Dan_Tes]

What kind of lap times are people doing in daily race B? My QT is in the 2:05s, but my race lap times are 2:09 - 2:11. Anyone else experiencing that, or do I just suck? (I suspect suckage is the answer.)

I’m loving race B! Only a 2:04.7 for me QT wise but consistent 2:06’s in the race, I try and avoid dirty air but no big crashes at the start of the race and near the front of the grid starting positions mean I can get consistent and stay in a groove.

One race today, i overcooked it into turn one starting third and made slight contact with second, I let him past after Radillon and then just watched him battle with 1st for the next two laps. He overtook 1st and I caught him but rather risking an overtake on the final lap I backed off and came third. Another podium and DR rating rapidly heading towards high B. Chuffed!!

 

[Stilva]

Regarding "dirty air", I thought I understood what it is, but the way some of you use the term, it makes me wonder. So can someone explain it for me? Thanks.

Here's a video on it with F1 as an example for a visual of what everyone else has posted.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I will never cease to be amazed by your skill. There are a couple of hockey analogies I could use.

The best hockey players seem to have sense of the whole ice, and who is moving where at any time, and where opening will develop and where they will close down. You have the ability to find holes that don't exist yet, but will be holes when you get there. I have trouble figuring out where people are; you seem to know where they will be....

The other one is speed. There is fast and there is quick. Fast is top end speed and quickness is getting to top end in a short time. I see you in these videos and have no idea how you can be in a pack of drivers and yet get the "quickness" they can't to gain 2, 3 or 4 spots based on superior acceleration. I mean you all seem to be in the same spot momentum wise.....yet there you go, shooting out of the pack in ways the other can't.

Pretty nice to watch.

When it's busy like that it pays to drive wherever the other cars aren't most of the time, at the hairpin I take that weird wide line with the really late turn in so can get the car straight and on the power earlier than the others, since they're all going for the same piece of track on the racing line they can't get the same exit and the momentum carries all the way down the next straight. That straight is really hard to read because it isn't actually straight, I've almost took people out there because you don't know if they'll be on the left, right or middle until you come out of the last tunnel.

 

[MrJones 78]

Race A for me this week, nothing to lose ☺️ just practicing and drivin with less pressure 🥴 GT-R instead of TT 🥴

btw… how do I get a replay detached on me for others to use. Some have the replay visible in the ranking and you can use it as ghost, how do I do that? 👀

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

If y’all haven’t tried the NSX 16 for race b yet you should. It’s slightly slower on the top end but handles like a dream! 🍻

 

[TheNormsk]

New QT of 2:05.209. I'm actually beginning to believe that a 2:04.x is in me.

And... that's a first, I'm faster that @GrumpyOldMan! I bit of motivation for you; you can't be slower than a low DR B hack like me!

@hollowkatt Double Gauche was done braking and staying in 5th. I posted my replay into the showcase if you want to review.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

btw… how do I get a replay detached on me for others to use. Some have the replay visible in the ranking and you can use it as ghost, how do I do that? 👀

You can't do that your self. But if you run QT and then under replay save your fastest lap and tag it with gtp12 (for the week number) then others can add it to their collection and load your ghost.

 

[Redneckchef]

Done a third night on Daily B and I just can't get over the drop in driving standards that has come about with GT7. Used to be there were certain combos where bad driving was prone to happen and we've all got some known trolls, but you could usually expect good racing in more races than bad. This week it's been mostly dodge-a-troll at spa.

I'm sure I have some issues caused by almost always being the one CLK in the race, but the swerve blocking to shove me on to the grass on the straights and late dives to ram me off at Malmedy and the bus stop have been deliberate.

There have been some good races in there, but getting getting in front of good drivers before sector 2 is crucial as they understand my limitations and won't blast me off, but usually if I'm in front starting sector 3 it's over and they're gone to the past. And don't focus on the qualifying times too much @RacingGrandpa. I've beem behind a bunch of QT darlings and they can't handle being anywhere near another car. I'm focused mostly on the race laps and while my Q time might put me a tenth or 2 behind them I'm running a second or more faster a lap in the race, whether behind or ahead. And you know they are struggling if I'm catching them in sector 2 in that Merc. Outside of the races I'm completely torpedoed I've moved and raised my position almost every race. Keep at the race pace, it's the true speed. (Although I do admit getting a starting spot ahead of the oxygen thieves helps)

 

[NevilleNobody]

The CLK is a menace. Drivers BLAST pass you on the straight then miss every damn apex in sector 2 trying to keep up with the 500 cars. Had a guy last night miss apex after apex, so i went for a pass and he intentionally pushed me off. YOu wanna take the extra 50kmh in a straight line, make your apexes dude.

 

[hollowkatt]

New QT of 2:05.209. I'm actually beginning to believe that a 2:04.x is in me.

And... that's a first, I'm faster that @GrumpyOldMan! I bit of motivation for you; you can't be slower than a low DR B hack like me!

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@hollowkatt Double Gauche was done braking and staying in 5th. I posted my replay into the showcase if you want to review.

Thanks I'll give it a watch! I think I'm losing the most time in three spots: La Source and therefore Kemmel, Speakers b/c I can never quite get the right line, and Campus and therefore losing time all the way through Blanchimont... So you know most of the track

I'm positive you've got a 2:04 in you. tbh 2 tenths is basically a better La Source or better Campus. Go get 'em!


Behold the Duality of Man:

 

[TheNormsk]

Thanks I'll give it a watch! I think I'm losing the most time in three spots: La Source and therefore Kemmel, Speakers b/c I can never quite get the right line, and Campus and therefore losing time all the way through Blanchimont... So you know most of the track

I'm positive you've got a 2:04 in you. tbh 2 tenths is basically a better La Source or better Campus. Go get 'em!

What helped me a lot was watching this today.



Some good tips in that plus the discussion here today.

La Source: Brake hard at 75m out, downshift to 1st and then trail brake tight into Apex. Just before apex, let off brake, shift up to 2nd and moderately accelerate out. Too quick on the throttle and you can still spin out in 2nd.

Eau Rouge, cut first and third corners trying to keep it as straight as possible. You should be shifting into 6th just before hitting the first corner. Cutting the third corner carries 1-2mph higher exit speed into Kemmel.

Les Combes if key as well. Entry speed into turn 7 sets you up and plays out through turn 9. The video can describe it better than me, but this is where I made up a lot of time today.

Speakers is trick. I turn-in in 3rd with slight braking and then floor it out. Turn in point is critical though and it is luck as to when I get it correct. Double Gauche, as mentioned, I keep in 5th and the trick is to brake but not too much brake and not too long...

Campus, break hard at the start of the left curbing and trail break, keeping tight to the right to the first bollard, then ease of brake to settle car. By second bollard, start to accelerate to turn 14. Fractionally lift, just to induce turning around apex and then back on the gas.

At turn 15, hard on the brake at the curb again (I think - check the replay) and again trail brake down shifting to 2nd but letting off the brake before the apex and the immediately hard on the gas as you straighten up to launch yourself into the flat out run to the chicane.

Key with Chicane for me, is to drive over the first right had curb so it is in the middle of the car, keeping constant mid-throttle in 1st and begin to turn in to the left hander. As I start, I upshift to 2nd and then gradually increase throttle until I am happy I am pointing in ta straight line and then give it 100%. Too quick on the throttle risks spin out; I've done it many times..

 

[sturk0167]

This is what it looks like when I enter a daily race with zero practice, and generally no clue how to drive this track in the reverse direction.


After about 5 minutes, I looked up and saw that the race was 14 laps long. 🤬
I quit immediately. ✌️
I'll go back to Watkins Glen, or the "beginner's race", as PD sees it.

 

[LewisRamilton]

Thanks for all the tips guys, managed to get a qualifying time of 2.4.8x now.

My race pace isn't great, struggling with dirty air, but this course reminds me a bit of monza, as long as you don't die you seem to finish in the top 6, every race has been carnage so far on lap one, then it settles down

 

[MrJones 78]

You can't do that yours8. But if yourun QT and then under replay save your fastest lap and tag it with gtp12 (for the week number) then others can add it to their collection and load your ghost.

Too bad, would be nice to have slower ghosts (like mine) as well with 1:16:6** at race A. But thanks, will keep that in mind 👍

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Too bad, would be nice to have slower ghosts (like mine) as well with 1:16:6** at race A. But thanks, will keep that in mind 👍

But if you do like I said then people can run your ghost. Once they saved your replay in their collection they can go to settings/ghost settings/load ghost and choose collections.

 

[OJBrit]

I bit of motivation for you; you can't be slower than a low DR B hack like me!

I can because I am also a low DR B hack.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

You are a faster B driver, right? Maybe you are getting stuck with some other drivers that are all fighting way too hard to get a position on each other and end up actually running slower because of it.

Maybe, but mostly it's because I'm distracted.

When a car is travelling by itself it "pierces" the clean air with the hood/nose of the car and as it flows over the car it becomes more and more turbulent. As someone who lives near water I'm assuming you're familiar with the concept that turbulent fluids (of which air is) behave differently than calm fluids with respect to density yeah?

So when the turbulent air flows over the car/spoiler/out the underbody it becomes even more turbulent and unpredictable.
Your cars aerodynamic aids are designed to work with stable and predictable air, not turbulent air so when you are following a car while you do gain increased top speed because you're not pushing air out of the way at the same volume that the leading car is you're also suffering with respect to cornering because you don't have the same predictable and stable mass of air to hold your car down, you've got turbulent and unpredictable air that isn't going to aid in cornering nearly as well.

Very basically - the aero parts on a car disrupt the airflow. If you are following behind (within a certain distance) you will be within that disrupted air and it won't offer you as much downforce as being in "clean" air.

On a straight it's ok as you'll benefit more from the slipstream, but through the corners you'll really feel it. Harder to follow closely in a car of similar performance.

It's really noticeable through Pouhon and the right hander after the esses. YOu also feel it through the Malmedy complex, key thing is jumping on the brakes early enough but then you are inevitably pushed off the road.

This is what I thought. So when people quote their clean air lap times vs dirty air lap times, they're basically whether they felt the dirty air affected them or not.

New QT of 2:05.209. I'm actually beginning to believe that a 2:04.x is in me.

And... that's a first, I'm faster that @GrumpyOldMan! I bit of motivation for you; you can't be slower than a low DR B hack like me!

It seems to me like everyone is faster to me these days. I've accepted a lot of friend requests, and too many of them are way better than me. I'm gonna have to clean out the list some, because not even being on the first page is demoralizing, especially when I don't know half of these people.

I'm sure I have some issues caused by almost always being the one CLK in the race

As others have said, the CLK is a pain in the butt to deal with. No, people shouldn't be treating you like that. But it's easy to get ticked off when someone comes barreling up behind you and passes, only to slow to a snail's pace through the corners. It's like being on the freeway and having someone fly up behind you and pass, then get in front of you and slow down. It's a natural reaction to want to ram the SOB. Fortunately, most of us are capable of controlling these urges. Most of the time, anyway.

 

[hollowkatt]

I'm reminded of the Goodwood Revival races where Minis regularly compete against Ford Galaxies. As long as each driver is aware and respectful of the others it should be fine. The issue comes in when drivers aren't aware or just don't care

 

[Bullwinkle]

..

Which brings me to this. I showed the glitchy car further up the thread but this was the actual race. Totally mental.

This is still freakin’ hilarious!

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

NOTE: If I unfriended any of you:

I'm trimming down my friends list (I may not be done yet). So if I unfriended any of you, it's because I wasn't sure who you were. If you still want to be friends, let me know who you are and send me a friends request.