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No, they get better at getting away with it.
GT7 Daily Race Discussion
- Thread starter Pigems
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I find my experience with driving attitudes whilst rising through the DR ranks (currently mid A) is that other drivers are very quick but their impatience remains (trying to pass at illogical points on the track). There's also what I perceive to be a lack of "big picture" thinking in longer races, with certain people seemingly happy to settle with fighting, and aggressively defending, for mid-pack positions rather than using collective pace to work through the pack.
I suppose my takeaway is that raw pace can come very early in one's sim racing career, then the cleanliness is the next thing to be learnt (albeit voluntarily), and finally the bigger picture race-craft and race management is the final piece of the puzzle.
I suppose my takeaway is that raw pace can come very early in one's sim racing career, then the cleanliness is the next thing to be learnt (albeit voluntarily), and finally the bigger picture race-craft and race management is the final piece of the puzzle.
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Haha... so true!
Yeah think this definitely attributes to what im seeing. Think some people have an idea that they are faster and don't like to get passed, or if you make one mistake in front they think they have to pass immediately.
Granted when i quali towards the front usually the dudes at the front provide good clean racing. But make one mistake and you get passed by half the pack, and you are fighting with everyone at the back of the pack. But yeah fighting to the point of wrecking people for 12th place is dumb.
I just wish that this game had a real penalty system. Even if it had a "pro" race D where damage is realistic. If you damage the aero you have to race with it like that for the rest of the race. Even making people pay for the damage they cause to the car, so if you hit the wall at full speed your gonna be paying to straighten the body, or buying a new engine...
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- TheGameL-A-X
So last week at the dailies was not my best week. I did not enjoy Road Atlanta at all and 5 laps around Suzuka is too short in my opinion. Those 5 lap races looks more like a punting fest then a real race. Yesterday I tried out Kyoto, and I was struggling at first. Slow pace, being punted, making mistakes myself etc. And also I still need to get used to the fantastic Fanatec GT DD Pro whilst I raced with the Logitech G29 for more then 5 years. After like 10 attempts I decided to do one more race and managed to get on the podium. That was unexpected!
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- sturk0167
I agree with that.
When I started doing online races (shortly after the release of GT Sport) I had above average pace, and zero patience.
I would go for every overtake that had even the slightest chance of success. I would perceive every contact as an act of war.
I had a chronic problem with ramming cars in the braking zones, because it took a really long time for me to realize that braking distances were longer when you're in a slipstream.
I ruined a lot of people's races because of my greed, and in some cases, incompetence.
And for what?It's just a game. Although, it's a big part of my life.
But my race results have never bared any tangible fruit. I don't get any letters from family and friends, saying how proud they are of my A or A+. Sony hasn't sent me any checks.
What that style of driving has done, is make some enemies on the track. Created some nasty fighting. Earned me two suspensions from Sony (Not for driving. For post-race comments 🤬). And probably, in general, lousy reputation.
I don't really do that stuff anymore. Although after too many beers, I still sometimes try a questionable overtake.
For some people, the races are really important, and I don't want ruin someone's day for no good reason. Some folks are really sensitive about racing incidents, and I don't want to be the reason anyone quits racing.
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I had a completely different experience in my first few races yesterday. Almost everyone of them had torrential downpours at some point in the race. The most comical was the race where no one was ready for it to start raining so early in the race. Only 1 person had IM on and by the time the rain had stopped they had built up over a minute lead. It lead to this amazing clip:
The very next race started dry and I kept making so many mistakes, I fell to tenth and as I was finishing lap 3 noticed there was a bunch of rain moving in. Figured, what the heck not going to win anyway if I stay on dry tires, so lets see what happens. The bottom fell out of the clouds and when I came out of the pits was nearly a minute behind starting lap 4. Before I took the white I had over a 15 second lead. When you can get it right, there is a huge advantage to being the odd person out on either drys or wets.
So far I've been fastest in the NSX in qualifying. I've got it to a 3:39.5, but havent had any luck racing it because it just gets murdered down the straights.
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- Ulricehamn
This post is absolutely spot on! Truer word's has seldom been spoken and they need to be heard by a lot of drivers.I agree with that.
When I started doing online races (shortly after the release of GT Sport) I had above average pace, and zero patience.
I would go for every overtake that had even the slightest chance of success. I would perceive every contact as an act of war.
I had a chronic problem with ramming cars in the braking zones, because it took a really long time for me to realize that braking distances were longer when you're in a slipstream.
I ruined a lot of people's races because of my greed, and in some cases, incompetence.
It's just a game. Although, it's a big part of my life.
But my race results have never bared any tangible fruit. I don't get any letters from family and friends, saying how proud they are of my A or A+. Sony hasn't sent me any checks.
What that style of driving has done, is make some enemies on the track. Created some nasty fighting. Earned me two suspensions from Sony (Not for driving. For post-race comments 🤬). And probably, in general, lousy reputation.
I don't really do that stuff anymore. Although after too many beers, I still sometimes try a questionable overtake.
For some people, the races are really important, and I don't want ruin someone's day for no good reason. Some folks are really sensitive about racing incidents, and I don't want to be the reason anyone quits racing.
I also agree with @benjoi84 and my pace hasn't really become much better since I started in GTS. But my race craft and my tactical sense is far far better now.
GrumpyOldMan
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I'm finally getting back into racing this week. I've only done two Daily Race Bs so far, and had a lot of fun even if the finish was less than pretty. One nice thing is that I brushed a couple of walls with no penalties, other than spinning out. I've got a ways to go to improve my time. I'm carefully optimistic that this will be a fun week. It's a good track, not terribly complicated, and lots of places to pass people, at least at my level (mid-B right now).
I'm sure you're right about it not getting better the higher up you go. But I'd be careful making any negative judgements during the first few days of a race. Everyone's still getting used to the track, so mistakes are gonna happen.
Wait, what? You set a 1:33.8, and decided the game isn't bearable? What about that isn't bearable - the rest of us suck too much? 🤔
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Nah, not the people! I think the new physics are a complete downgrade and step away from realism. I find it really tedious to drive - the fun of driving has been completely sapped away from the game for me.
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I dunno bud, to set competitive A times you'd have to know the track pretty well, and to get to A and above you'd have to have a handle on what fair racing is just through sheer brute force of races you'd have to do.
Lower down the levels with people that don't play much sure but when you are talking about B lobbies in Europe for example being in the top 2/3000 time wise in the world I can't imagine that A lobbies are full of people just figuring it out.
I could be wrong though.
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- bone_tone
Did two Race C yesterday, and went from B/S to B/A, two more today and went to B/B - zero penalties, so I don't know what caused it 😕
Spotted BTCC star driver Jake Hill in an online stream in Race C yesterday. He had the same problem as he did at Donington on Sunday - was in first place for the whole race until the last lap!
Spotted BTCC star driver Jake Hill in an online stream in Race C yesterday. He had the same problem as he did at Donington on Sunday - was in first place for the whole race until the last lap!
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- Ulricehamn
Running part 2 of the TPC Invitational on Friday. Come have fun with us
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Welcome to this short time pop-up racing series! We begin at 2100 GMT/2200 BST Friday the 4th of August!! What do we do? We race for clean race fun! What do we race? The new Honda RA272 '65 F1! And to mimic the feel of yesterday's formula cars we race on SS tyres. Where do we race it? We...
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Go take a look at his work over the last couple of years at the Goodwood Members Meeting… some great driving in a Ford Capri and an epic lap in an R32 Grp.A Skyline!Jake never gets the luck he deserves either!
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- arten_v
I remember that quite a few weeks ago there was a Gr.4 race in this circuit, but without the chicanes, and people were losing SR by bump drafting... It may be the case.
The game understands that you touched another car so it's not a clean sector, even if it didn't handle you a penalty... Maybe?
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I wasn't disagreeing.....
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- jdeviant1983
Really valuable insight here and I imagine a fairly common story.I agree with that.
When I started doing online races (shortly after the release of GT Sport) I had above average pace, and zero patience.
I would go for every overtake that had even the slightest chance of success. I would perceive every contact as an act of war.
I had a chronic problem with ramming cars in the braking zones, because it took a really long time for me to realize that braking distances were longer when you're in a slipstream.
I ruined a lot of people's races because of my greed, and in some cases, incompetence.
It's just a game. Although, it's a big part of my life.
But my race results have never bared any tangible fruit. I don't get any letters from family and friends, saying how proud they are of my A or A+. Sony hasn't sent me any checks.
What that style of driving has done, is make some enemies on the track. Created some nasty fighting. Earned me two suspensions from Sony (Not for driving. For post-race comments 🤬). And probably, in general, lousy reputation.
I don't really do that stuff anymore. Although after too many beers, I still sometimes try a questionable overtake.
For some people, the races are really important, and I don't want ruin someone's day for no good reason. Some folks are really sensitive about racing incidents, and I don't want to be the reason anyone quits racing.
It sheds an interesting light on those who will die for 13th place, perhaps not having learned it means nothing yet.
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- TechnoIsLove
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Nor mine, think the stewards got that wrong.....
His race in that Capri at the Goodwood Members Meeting the other Saturday was amazing! Beating those two Camaros was worth watching twice (which I did!) - look it up on YouTube if you want to see one of the best races ever
I seem to remember getting touched by other cars more than me touching them! 😆
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- Grand_Slammin
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My first actual races this week were two Daily B's tonight. My qually time was relatively slow, but I had done a lot of practice laps testing out different cars, so my race pace was good. The RCZ felt planted and quick.
Unfortunately I was stuck in the pack, and both lobbies were pure unadulterated filth. I managed a 9th, despite being push-to-passed off the track 3 seperate times by three seperate drivers in one race.
Still love sport mode, but unfortunately it just wasnt my night!
Unfortunately I was stuck in the pack, and both lobbies were pure unadulterated filth. I managed a 9th, despite being push-to-passed off the track 3 seperate times by three seperate drivers in one race.
Still love sport mode, but unfortunately it just wasnt my night!
Jewel Runner
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You will just have to get used to PD changing the physics every so often. They change it not for improvement, but for other reasons. It's up in the air why. Change for the sake of it or change to suit something being added like VR or some car type. Just put in a thousand miles or so after every change and you will find it normal again.
As a developer PD are absolute trash. They can't get much right and if it is close to right they can't leave it alone.
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I'm used to it, unfortunately not being used to it isn't the problem. If I wasn't used to it, I wouldn't be setting the times I am.
I just don't like them. I don't think they're good or intuitive, and they're not fun to play with. Ultimately I play games to have fun, and if the core gameplay isn't fun, then I just play something else.
I used to swap between GT7 and ACC quite frequently when playing them both, and the games were probably about 80-90% similar. Enough to carry through the core principles of driving, with each game having it's own individual quirks.
Not the case at all anymore; you have to drive utterly and unnaturally weird in GT7 to be fast now. No progression in grip or pedal modulation whatsoever, traction loss feels unintuitive and using anything but one pedal at a time is just a one way ticket to understeer central. It's just bad.
To me, anyway. I see a lot of people liking it, and honestly I'm not sure what they're liking.
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I loved it before, honestly. Hadn't a real bad word to say about the driving model beforehand. Minus a few oddities, I think it was exactly on track to where it needed to be.
Truth be told I was hoping I'd be way off the pace so I could convince myself I just wasn't used to the new physics or that I hadn't adapted yet!
But nah I unfortunately just.. don't think they're good anymore, lol.
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