GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[FluxWildly]

Aww man, why did PD have to go and ruin the Nurburgring daily by adding dynamic weather! I've been waiting for what feels like a year (prob has been actually) since the last time it came up in a daily only to find out they have dynamic weather in it. IMO there's nothing fun about getting stuck halfway along a 9min long track only to get hit by rain and spend the rest of the race doing 360s and driving on what feels like ice. And being only 2 laps there is no point putting wet/inters on because they get shredded to peices once the track dries up due to the sped up time progression. Who at PD thought this was a good idea?!?

(Sorry rant over 😁)

 

[AmateurDriver]

So far I've been enjoying Deep Forest this week! Had some good races yesterday with a win and a couple of podiums. Even made it to DR A! Been hunting for that rating for months and I've finally got it! Now let's wait and see for how long... Due to business traveling I won't have the opportunity to do some racing for the next few days, so the DR bar won't get hit, lol!

 

[djolliea]

The Genesis X is surprisingly fast around Nurburgring. Set a QT 8:11 and got a chance to race against V.Gallo himself in my first race and M.Hizal in another. Unfortunately, the first race ended up me doing 360s because I had the wrong tires but finished the second race 2nd, two spots ahead of Hizal. Had to double check I wasn't playing single player.

 

[Mercia]

@Redneckchef I totally understand why they nerfed Race A, there was too much jeopardy when ratings were turned on and I reckon their metrics probably showed that people were avoiding it. I wish we lived in a world where SR could be off and DR on but for obvious reasons that's impossible. SR on and DR off clearly wouldn't work, so I get it.

Hmm I'm sure at the time it was said that the idea behind it was to create a beginner friendly race so people could dip their toes into online racing without having it affect their rating.

They simply don't promote this enough IMO, who outside of the usual Sport community even knows this change was made other than the odd person who may open the screen. But that's a longer conversation anyway..

I think in the end more people want to race Gr 3 / Gr 4 cars competitively than they want to race M3's around Goodwood. There'll always be a crowd for it, but it's not going to be the majority.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I've heard people say the best way to pass on the Nordschleife is to put pressure on the car ahead and hope they make a mistake, I can't make that work for whatever reason, I probably need to work on getting closer so they know I'm actually there 🤔

The rain physics are fine. In reality, it is much easier to drive in the rain behind the lead car… if we’re speaking strictly from a tire contact patch-road point of view. Where GT7 gets rain racing wrong, is where they actually had it right in the beginning of the game. And that specifically had to do with them nerfing the road spray.

If you take those 2 factors into consideration, it’s always easier to be the lead car IRL, despite the traction disadvantage that you’ll most definitely have.

I can't agree, in no real race I've ever seen has 16th place been driving on a dry track when the leader 200 metres up the road is aquaplaning off on the same tyres. Cars do clear some surface water but nowhere near as much as GT7 is doing right now. It's a shame because there is a lot of skill to driving in the rain but zero reward at the moment.

 

[amnesiactical]

I had a couple of races today at Deep Forest. I hope it wasn't any of you I accidentally divebombed at the hairpin. For some reason, on this track, it's way too easy for me to miss my braking markers coming up to the hairpin. It's been that way every time I race this track, and I feel like a friggin' moron, which I am. sigh.

I wouldn't sweat it too much, I've found in this race in particular the braking point for the final hairpin is so varied depending on slipstreaming, double/triple slipstreams and how good you exit off of the previous turn, just got to keep at it!

 

[Mercia]

I wouldn't sweat it too much, I've found in this race in particular the braking point for the final hairpin is so varied depending on slipstreaming, double/triple slipstreams and how good you exit off of the previous turn, just got to keep at it!

Is it not also the highest (uncovered) part of the circuit? I wonder if it's affected by wind speed / direction or I'm over thinking it

 

[Redneckchef]

Went in and had a couple of more races at Goodwood. Tried my home region and got lucky with 2 other faster drivers there. We had a blast for 4 laps swapping spots and drifting to change lanes mid turn. Then they left and the party was over.

It's a shame so many people stuck with the mindset that road cars aren't for racing. So many more fun combos to be had when people realize Gr4 and above aren't the only good things to drive.

 

[Talon16]

The Genesis X is surprisingly fast around Nurburgring. Set a QT 8:11 and got a chance to race against V.Gallo himself in my first race and M.Hizal in another. Unfortunately, the first race ended up me doing 360s because I had the wrong tires but finished the second race 2nd, two spots ahead of Hizal. Had to double check I wasn't playing single player.

That is cool. I am hoping to be in a similar spot on my EMEA account, currently just shy of 50% A rated. Still working on it.

I was in a race with Randal Hayward yesterday on the USA side. Surprise, he was on pole and I didn't quali so I was way in the back. Then I got pushed into the sand so yea, never even saw him... but didn't expect to either.

Might have to try the Genesis. I remember it being pretty loose coming out of corners, but now so is the Supra. How's the Genesis compared to the Supra, handling wise?

 

[OJBrit]

I've heard people say the best way to pass on the Nordschleife is to put pressure on the car ahead and hope they make a mistake, I can't make that work for whatever reason, I probably need to work on getting closer so they know I'm actually there 🤔

I doubt they could even see you in their mirrors. You definitely need to get closer.

 

[amnesiactical]

Is it not also the highest (uncovered) part of the circuit? I wonder if it's affected by wind speed / direction or I'm over thinking it

I think the wind speed and direction has been pretty constant throughout the week ( 1.5m/s NE or NW iirc ) so it has an effect for sure but shouldn't move the braking marker race to race for B this week

 

[benjoi84]

It's a shame so many people stuck with the mindset that road cars aren't for racing. So many more fun combos to be had when people realize Gr4 and above aren't the only good things to drive.

I do enjoy Group 4 and up, but sometimes I find it gets very rigid and formulaic. Especially when I'm behind the curve and everyone else is racing like it's a game of chess because their techniques are so dialled in. One mistake and I'm on the track alone.

At the end of the day, there's more road cars than racing cars in GT7 so to render Race A effectively useless for online progression seems contradictory to Polyphony's 'car culture' ethos.

@Mercia I do agree they probably intended it as a low-risk entry level race for beginners but:
1. As beginners they shall remain if that's their race of choice and
2. What were Lambo VGTs doing there a few weeks ago if that race is meant for novices?

 

[Dairyworker]

Went in and had a couple of more races at Goodwood. Tried my home region and got lucky with 2 other faster drivers there. We had a blast for 4 laps swapping spots and drifting to change lanes mid turn. Then they left and the party was over.

It's a shame so many people stuck with the mindset that road cars aren't for racing. So many more fun combos to be had when people realize Gr4 and above aren't the only good things to drive.

It really is a great combo. One of the best i can recall for race A in a long time.

I'm glad you were able to get some solid races in. It really is no fun to just walk away for the a win.

I really couldn't agree more about race A. I still feel like they killed it by eliminating ratings. I understand the reasons people think it was done for, but why should people who like road cars be relegated into a "beginner" race? The game's bread and butter is and has always been road cars, so it would make sense to me that we get judged on how we race them as much as anything else.

I also find it interesting how many people look down on road cars. Most of the people i know who race majority in race cars find the road cars to be a significant challenge, so yeah......

I have no problem with a race that has no ratings, so people can get acclimated to racing online. I will never understand why they choose to do it this way as opposed to creating a new race specifically for that.

Almost everyone i know on this game that lived in race A on gtsport barely races now, and almost never in race A

 

[Nebuc72]

I do still think it was a huge mistake on their behalf to disable ratings on Race A. People will claim otherwise until the day they die but my experiences in A have been absolutely dreadful since they've changed it compared to both early GT7 and GT Sport. There's just nobody playing it.

90% of the Copen races I did last week were me as the only A+ driver and everyone else was B. This wasn't at like 2am+ either, this was the evening on any given day. Nobody is interested in racing a race that doesn't impact progression on a mode they base entirely around the progression of your rating.
I maintain as well the unranked race should've been a separate entity to Race A. It additionally should've been on the main menu rather than in Sport Mode, as a Quick Race option with a timer until the next race starts on the world map.

Everyone I know that doesn't race Sport Mode doesn't race it because it's under Sport Mode, not because it's an online race. I know plenty of people that won't enter Sport Mode because its a 'competitive' area but are happy to browse and join through whatever lobbies they find.
Race A being an unranked race in the ranked race section of the map is an oxymoron of itself - it turns off the playerbase that wants to race ranked races by it being unranked, and it turns off the playerbase that wants casual races by it being in the ranked section.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I doubt they could even see you in their mirrors. You definitely need to get closer.

I'll try to do better next time. If that doesn't work I'll try flashing the lights 👌

 

[KaiserJovan]

After a fun first day of Race C’s with varied intermediate conditions, every single race I’ve had since then has either been bone dry or the spitting of rain for a brief minute has been negligible. I’ve still enjoyed it but it does make the races where you get punted multiple times feel insurmountable.

I miss the first iteration of the penalty system where it was unreasonably strict. I don’t know how we stuck with this current slap on the wrist system.

Can’t wait to get back to league racing next week.

 

[sturk0167]

It really is a great combo. One of the best i can recall for race A in a long time.

I'm glad you were able to get some solid races in. It really is no fun to just walk away for the a win.

I really couldn't agree more about race A. I still feel like they killed it by eliminating ratings. I understand the reasons people think it was done for, but why should people who like road cars be relegated into a "beginner" race? The game's bread and butter is and has always been road cars, so it would make sense to me that we get judged on how we race them as much as anything else.

I also find it interesting how many people look down on road cars. Most of the people i know who race majority in race cars find the road cars to be a significant challenge, so yeah......

I have no problem with a race that has no ratings, so people can get acclimated to racing online. I will never understand why they choose to do it this way as opposed to creating a new race specifically for that.

Almost everyone i know on this game that lived in race A on gtsport barely races now, and almost never in race A

The problem I have with no DR ratings at race A is that I am usually only good at street car races.
The reason it's a problem for me is that a lot of times I can't get into the top-split races, where I'd be matched with similar paced drivers.
I like racing with my friends.

In GT7 there are plenty of race A combos I don't like, so I have to settle for B or C races, where I am not so good. I enter them because I still like the competition, even though I will likely lose DR points. So I am at mid-level B.

I think people naturally prefer the races where they do well. Those are the races where they gain back the DR points they lost at the combos that were not too good for them. If A races are where you get your best results, your rating won't reflect it. You'll probably just stay relatively flat, or go backwards.

I think it's kind of insulting to the race A street car specialists, to not get recognition from the game. As other people have suggested, it would have been better for the game to offer an unrated race as a 4th option.

 

[djolliea]

Might have to try the Genesis. I remember it being pretty loose coming out of corners, but now so is the Supra. How's the Genesis compared to the Supra, handling wise?

I haven't driven the Supra much lately but the Genesis is indeed quite lively coming out of corners so you have to be extra careful with the throttle. A bit understeery too but it has lots of torque so you can upshift straight to 3rd on corner exits and say bye to others because that thing accelerates like a bat outta hell.

 

[NvrTheSamecar]

Ran a handful last night on Daily C. I'll be honest, I've never been a huge fan of Nordschelife but the one thing I'm worse at then the green hell is GR4 cars. So was stuck on daily C this week. But I have to admit, this track has grown on me so much.

Ran 6th with the 650s.
10th with the Audi R8 after my phone rang and I completely butchered a corner.
6th with the Suzuki VGT
5th with the M3 GT'11. Was surprised how good this car was in the wet.

And then was about to call it a night and decided to give the Ferrari a go.... I doubt I've had more fun in any car this week. You can just attack every corner so hard. Not to happy over the curbs and has a parachute that deploys down the straightaway.

Started on pole and jumped out to a 4.5 second lead, but a couple of mistakes later coming to the main straight I had just over a second. By the time we got to the final set of corners he was on my bumper. Was able to gap him just a bit through that set and won by a couple of tenths. First victory for me ever at the 24h course.

If you are just looking for something that is wickedly fun to drive here, that's the car.

 

[MIE1992]

Hey @Nenkai, out of genuine curiosity, what would it take for you to get more interested in Sport Mode? I personally had tons of ideas, but I'd like to hear from you.

Personally, I can totally get why Daily Race A is a one-make most of the time, as such an event rules out any potential advantage/disadvantage with your car selection, tuning, and setting. But I would also really like to see more diverse fields of cars, and while I think it's very admirable that PD puts BoP on so many cars per class, I'd much rather see limited selections of cars in a given class. So for example, instead of a catch-all Gr.1 event, I'd rather see us be limited to say, the Group C racers within it, or the three LMP1s that were specifically used in 2016. And we've seen stuff like this before, as one round of the 2022 GTWS Nations Cup was at Le Mans, and limited players to four Gr.1 cars. Of course, the vast majority of players ended up picking the Porsche 919 - myself included - but I still think that's a potential start.

 

[Boxster]

Phew, wet Ring is not good for SR. I feel like a punching bag 😱

 

[Globato44]

I only had the courage to try Sport mode thanks to Race A not affecting ratings. I was afraid of ruining someone's race if I missed a braking point. So yes, it has some use.

But I agree we should have a rated race with road cars. It is what I enjoy the most, but I usually have lobbys with huge skill gaps (Copen last week being the worst case).

 

[peniu]

I only had the courage to try Sport mode thanks to Race A not affecting ratings. I was afraid of ruining someone's race if I missed a braking point. So yes, it has some use.

Another one being the 50 Sport races achievement, some people just do not care about online races but want the platinum.

 

[TechnoIsLove]

Ok so the lobby-matching logic has been weird to me since I got back to DR A. Suddenly, all the lobbies I join for Race B are full of A+/ S drivers! Had races with Kie, Kireth, Wind, etc

Obviously, my relatively slow qualy time of 1:33:2 has me starting in P15 or dead last each time! Big jump from starting P7 with same time and a B/S rating 😅

However, the racing has been great! Best result was a P15 to P10 finish but I've always made up 2 or 3 places. To be honest, as long as the racing is clean, close and fun, I really don't mind!

I did want to have a mid-pack start though, so hopped into 2nd account, which has a 0.1s slower qualy time and a very high B rating and S sportsmanship. So obviously started my recent best position of P14 🤣

The race was a bit hectic, some close calls, decent overtakes. Long story short, i was P9 by lap 3 and having a blast. But then.... I genuinely am still shocked and livid by this!

I fell victim, for absolutely no reason, to the most blatant and disgusting scummy driving. The guy in front was pushed into a wall, about 5 seconds ahead of me. To take out his frustration, he waited for the next car to approach (me) and smacked on the brakes half-way through the chicane at the start of sector 2!!

I tried to avoid him, which I managed, but the barriers didn't move out of my way.. Ended up smacking hard into them, damage and dead last!! As soon as I hit my first barrier (of many) he just drives off 💩🤐😢

I blew up in the lobby and his excuse was that he was tired of dirty drivers! So his way of dealing with it was to become one too... Wtf?!

If you just want to see this unfold, go to around 5:30 into the video.. Speechless and livid 😵



As a pick me up to brighten my mood, went to Fanatec website and bought the GT7 DD wheel and pedal set so excited for that to come 😁

 

[Nebuc72]

Ok so the lobby-matching logic has been weird to me since I got back to DR A. Suddenly, all the lobbies I join for Race B are full of A+/ S drivers! Had races with Kie,

My condolences.

I fell victim, for absolutely no reason, to the most blatant and disgusting scummy driving. The guy in front was pushed into a wall, about 5 seconds ahead of me. To take out his frustration, he waited for the next car to approach (me) and smacked on the brakes half-way through the chicane at the start of sector 2!!

I tried to avoid him, which I managed, but the barriers didn't move out of my way.. Ended up smacking hard into them, damage and dead last!! As soon as I hit my first barrier (of many) he just drives off 💩🤐😢

I blew up in the lobby and his excuse was that he was tired of dirty drivers! So his way of dealing with it was to become one too... Wtf?!

If you just want to see this unfold, go to around 5:30 into the video.. Speechless and livid 😵



As a pick me up to brighten my mood, went to Fanatec website and bought the GT7 DD wheel and pedal set so excited for that to come 😁

I've had a lot of good, clean races with this guy too - so that's a shame. No need for people that can race as fast & clean as him to resort to such driving.

 

[Nenkai]

Hey @Nenkai, out of genuine curiosity, what would it take for you to get more interested in Sport Mode? I personally had tons of ideas, but I'd like to hear from you.

I don't care about the competitive aspect of the game based on the same few cars, let alone seeing it taking over content prior games had such as seasonals. It's something that is likely not to change.

 

[MIE1992]

I don't care about the competitive aspect of the game based on the same few cars, let alone seeing it taking over content prior games had such as seasonals. It's something that is likely not to change.

So would a wider variety of cars in a given Daily Race (or Online Time Trial) address this? For example, instead of having every Gr.1 car enter a given event, they could limit things to the Group C racers - and we've seen that particular scenario happen before. Personally, I think special selections like this should be the norm rather than an exception.

 

[sturk0167]

It seems like a lot of people are assuming that Race A with no SR consequences is a free-for-all demolition derby.
I haven't found that to be the case. B & C have at least as much nastiness.

Check out this side by side racing action I just had at Goodwood.
I don't even know the guy in the black car.

 

[Steer]

Race A is great this week. People who skip it are missing out. The track /car combo is brilliant. I somehow managed to knock my qualy time down to a 1.29.0 which I am delighted about, that should net me a few poles over the rest of the week.

 

[meekrab]

It seems like a lot of people are assuming that Race A with no SR consequences is a free-for-all demolition derby.
I haven't found that to be the case. B & C have at least as much nastiness.

Check out this side by side racing action I just had at Goodwood.
I don't even know the guy in the black car.

Just like in real life, the vast majority of people don't behave well out of a fear of being punished, they do it because they have morals and empathy and prefer to live in a society than to be hunter gatherers living in the forest. Turning Gran Turismo into Wreckfest is a waste of everyone's time, you can just go play Wreckfest if that's what you want.