GT7 Daily Race Discussion

[Rossell2]

Finally been getting better at Spa, something about RH tyres for me just can never get along, think I've bashed into more people than I would've liked. Also a lot of speed can be found at this track by minimising wheelspin.



The BRZ is an underrated car for this track. Very agile and can hit up to 160 on the straight. Only problem is it can be engulfed by the GTR:



Just a shame with this one really that I ran out of talent to take on the Renault towards the end. Mid engine cars I feel certainly do well at this track (and how people are getting along with the Supra I have no idea I cannot make that car work) :



Mind you, when mid engine cars lose their stability it can be hard to hold it, how me and the Ferrari made it through Eau Rouge I have no idea. Anyway happy hunting all!

 

[GTWolverine]

Edited to add - Not sure if this has been linked yet, but here are some educated guesses as to next week's races.

The MP4/4 is in the LCD again, so I'm hoping that's what Race C is...
With it not being a grid start though, it probably is another boring Gr.3 copy/paste...

 

[RacingGrandpa]

The MP4/4 is in the LCD again, so I'm hoping that's what Race C is...
With it not being a grid start though, it probably is another boring Gr.3 copy/paste...

Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see those cars in C... PD seems to think they belong in A

 

[Cherryturbo]

I love that people are clamouring for next weeks daily info so much that they are just throwing out (wrong!) random guesses and posting videos about it for engagement.

I must admit that I really do miss the fact that we got to know what was coming prior to Monday morning if for no other reason than it’s what I was accustomed to.

I do agree that simply releasing track & tyre information is an utter waste of time. All it seems to do is promote speculative discussion from the “what if” crowd.

Unfortunately I doubt we will ever see those cars in C... PD seems to think they belong in A

It does seem that Races B & C in GT7 are unlikely to get any “un grouped” cars in them. Since GT7 started, Race B has only had 3 weeks with non-Group or Racing vehicles whilst Race C has had just 2. Sad, really, as GT Sport quite often had road cars in the past and for the most part I recall them as being a lot of fun.

Actually, I have just noticed that there have only been 4 weeks featuring Gr.1 cars (all Race C) since GT7 inception. If PD did Kellogg’s Variety pack it would just have 8 boxes of cornflakes in it…….

Just a shame with this one really that I ran out of talent

This happens to me a lot, irrespective of what car I am driving. Thinking about it, it would make a fine epitaph “Here lies X whose talent ran out, again”.

And on that cheery note, enjoy your racing today 🏎️🏁

 

[BradleyLove]

How is that a baffling decision? Consider that race C for the most part has accelerated tyre wear figures which makes competing on a DualSense compared to wheel harder as you will always wear your tyres more. It wouldn’t be fair for C to give more DR and I also don’t see how it would work, logically. It takes and gives DR based on your position and how high or low ranked your competitors are and where they place compared to you. The race length is irrelevant.

I find it baffling as, given the same finishing position, you can gain more DR per hour doing Race B than Race C. It‘s another example of PD disincentivising folks from heading into (parts of) Sport mode, along with the pitiful credit payouts.

 

[Nebuc72]

I find it baffling as, given the same finishing position, you can gain more DR per hour doing Race B than Race C. It‘s another example of PD disincentivising folks from heading into (parts of) Sport mode, along with the pitiful credit payouts.

I don't understand how any of these things are related. Your DR is just your rating. It doesn't need incentivizing, it's used to matchmake you with people of your skill level. Why does that mean you should earn more in other races? So you can inflate your rating and get your ass beat if you ever decide to go into Race A or B?

This is just moaning for the sake of moaning.

 

[BradleyLove]

I don't understand how any of these things are related. Your DR is just your rating. It doesn't need incentivizing, it's used to matchmake you with people of your skill level. Why does that mean you should earn more in other races? So you can inflate your rating and get your ass beat if you ever decide to go into Race A or B?

This is just moaning for the sake of moaning.

Suggesting something is “baffling” is “moaning”. Yeah, sure. I don’t really see what’s so controversial about thinking one should be able to earn (or lose) the same DR/SR/credits per hour, whether that be via 3 Race Bs or 2 Race Cs.

And yes, Sport mode does need incentivising. Sport mode needs more players.

Edit: to expand further on the DR thing. Everyone wants to be a better driver, be faster, and I’m a firm believer in that to get better at something, whether that be a sport, musical instrument, video game, you need to play with people better than you are. You don’t get better by staying at the same level. In GT DR is used for this purpose, so for some folks—myself included—DR is a huge incentive.

I’m firmly a DR B driver who occasionally pops their head into A only to be slapped down to B again. But 9 or so months ago I was usually hovering around low/mid DR B mostly, lately I’m nearer the top of B much more consistently. Maybe next time I’ll stay a little longer in A, eventually get knocked back to B, and so on.

I want to race with better players in the hope I get better. It’s theoretically quicker for me to do that focusing on Race B. And therein lies the point that is being missed, but I’ll accept I didn’t explain—I just thought people would get where I was coming from.

 

[Nebuc72]

Suggesting something is “baffling” is “moaning”. Yeah, sure.

And yes, Sport mode does need incentivising. Sport mode needs more players.

Sport Mode sure, but not your DR rating. Your DR is a matchmaking tool, which is the whole topic of the conversation.
I don't understand what could be baffling about that.

 

[BradleyLove]

Sport Mode sure, but not your DR rating. Your DR is a matchmaking tool, which is the whole topic of the conversation.
I don't understand what could be baffling about that.

Ok. Let it go then. You don’t get it, that’s fine. You don’t have to.

 

[GrumpyOldMan]

Let me just say this, and maybe it's already been said. These are my opinions, and oddly enough, I think they align with what PD is doing (or trying to do) in GT7.

DR, to me, is a reflection of my performance in each race. I know this is simplifying things, but it basically tells me if I'm running good races and gaining ground, or at least holding my own, or if Im sucking it up. Yes, I know that what position I qualify at impacts the result, and for me, that's perfect. Doing well in QT is just as important to me as doing well in races.

So, DR should be based on the results of each race. It shouldn't matter how many laps - it's based on how I finish. Like most competitive races in real life.

SR, on the other hand, is (supposed to be) how I treat others on the track - regardless of where I start/finish. So, longer races should affect SR more than shorter races, simply because I am spending more time affecting other racers.

So like I said, I think PD has the right goal, even if the way they calculate SR needs a lot of work.

 

[BradleyLove]

F1 sprint races give less points than the full GP, which in turn also gives less points if a certain race distance isn’t possible to be completed. I know it’s not quite the same, but there is precedence in real world sports for a different “reward” based on number of laps. 🤷‍♂️

But yes, it’s all opinion.

 

[Nebuc72]

Let me just say this, and maybe it's already been said. These are my opinions, and oddly enough, I think they align with what PD is doing (or trying to do) in GT7.

DR, to me, is a reflection of my performance in each race. I know this is simplifying things, but it basically tells me if I'm running good races and gaining ground, or at least holding my own, or if Im sucking it up. Yes, I know that what position I qualify at impacts the result, and for me, that's perfect. Doing well in QT is just as important to me as doing well in races.

So, DR should be based on the results of each race. It shouldn't matter how many laps - it's based on how I finish. Like most competitive races in real life.

SR, on the other hand, is (supposed to be) how I treat others on the track - regardless of where I start/finish. So, longer races should affect SR more than shorter races, simply because I am spending more time affecting other racers.

So like I said, I think PD has the right goal, even if the way they calculate SR needs a lot of work.

SR does move more in a longer race, as its lost/gained through your on track actions- not through the end result like DR is.

(unless I misread this and you are agreeing with what they do - but either way the point stands!)

 

[r_epp]

@GrumpyOldMan I lied about being done for the week. I woke up early to race before work and got another 4 in. It'll probably happen again tomorrow!

 

[moby323]

Why are they called daily races if they are weekly?

 

[Famine]

 

[BigSarj]

Suggesting something is “baffling” is “moaning”. Yeah, sure. I don’t really see what’s so controversial about thinking one should be able to earn (or lose) the same DR/SR/credits per hour, whether that be via 3 Race Bs or 2 Race Cs.

And yes, Sport mode does need incentivising. Sport mode needs more players.

Edit: to expand further on the DR thing. Everyone wants to be a better driver, be faster, and I’m a firm believer in that to get better at something, whether that be a sport, musical instrument, video game, you need to play with people better than you are. You don’t get better by staying at the same level. In GT DR is used for this purpose, so for some folks—myself included—DR is a huge incentive.

I’m firmly a DR B driver who occasionally pops their head into A only to be slapped down to B again. But 9 or so months ago I was usually hovering around low/mid DR B mostly, lately I’m nearer the top of B much more consistently. Maybe next time I’ll stay a little longer in A, eventually get knocked back to B, and so on.

I want to race with better players in the hope I get better. It’s theoretically quicker for me to do that focusing on Race B. And therein lies the point that is being missed, but I’ll accept I didn’t explain—I just thought people would get where I was coming from.

Sorry if I don't quite understand the point you're making. Because I am much like you, bouncing between B and A. Whenever I make A, I get the opportunity to improve my skills by racing with a lobby full of people better than me. When I inevitably get knocked back to B, I start at the front again and the cycle goes on. Eventually, I may stay in A.

I only do Race C, and, on average, one or two sessions a month, if that. You may want to let go of the ladder anxiety. It's a common problem players of rank based games have. I've had it in multiple games but, in my experience, the Gran Turismo community is the least judgemental of all of them. No one is judging us at the gym by how much we're lifting or running, just like no one in GT7 is judging us by our DR. Other than ourselves, it seems.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I for me think that more DR should be awarded for daily C.

Personally, I’ve gamed’ the system on both sides. When we had Interlagos as a daily B a few weeks ago, I kept running that one back to build my Asian alt account up to A. I’m on the cusp of having my main at A+ - and would have had it this week had I done the same thing with Spa. But I was enjoying NBG too much to want to leave.

Gaming the DR system works both ways. You can gain a lot of DR quickly, and lose it too. I do agree that no one cares about our DR except for us. And as soon as I get my main to A+ with a little cushion, it’s going into hibernation for FIA and/or combos I’m particularly good at

 

[Mercia]

I for me think that more DR should be awarded for daily C.

as soon as I get my main to A+ with a little cushion, it’s going into hibernation for FIA and/or combos I’m particularly good at

See I just dont get this, what's the point in getting there quicker then if the result is you just don't play the game anymore?

Not to jump on you specifically man, but DR attitudes across the board have always sounded bizarre to me.

It's not a championship in which more points will get you more reward, there is no end, so why should one race give more than another?

 

[Famine]

I for me think that more DR should be awarded for daily C.

It's an ELO system. All it depends on is the number of participants and the points they have going in. They all give points to and take points from each other - a zero-sum game.

The only way to increase the amount of DR you can gain (or lose) is by increasing the number of participants...

 

[GTRedman]

Won my first Race C on a no stopper with the Huracan woo hoo! DRC now at 66%, moving up in the world

 

[newmedia_dev]

It's an ELO system. All it depends on is the number of participants and the points they have going in. They all give points to and take points from each other - a zero-sum game.

The only way to increase the amount of DR you can gain (or lose) is by increasing the number of participants...

And as with ELO there is a subtle weighting that being the starting position vs finishing position. Or expected winner vs challenger.

I know how ELO works in Chess and FIFA but no idea how it works at a deep level when there are more than two ranked players playing and you have 16 players.

As those with higher ELO should be awarded little or zero points vs challengers and the converse for challengers winning (all dependent on the ELO points gap, more points for the lower player beating a higher player and less points or none when a high ranked player beats a much lower ranked player?)

 

[MillerGT]

Won my first Race C on a no stopper with the Huracan woo hoo! DRC now at 66%, moving up in the world

Can you see percentage in the game or just guessing off the bar?

 

[BigSarj]

And as with ELO there is a subtle weighting that being the starting position vs finishing position. Or expected winner vs challenger.

I know how ELO works in Chess and FIFA but no idea how it works at a deep level when there are more than two ranked players playing and you have 16 players.

As those with higher ELO should be awarded little or zero points vs challengers and the converse for challengers winning (all dependent on the ELO points gap, more points for the lower player beating a higher player and less points or none when a high ranked player beats a much lower ranked player?)

I have no evidence but I am convinced that, theoretically, if a single C driver was in a lobby full of A+ drivers and ended up finishing ninth or tenth, said C driver would lose DR. Maybe not much of a loss but I think that should be a gain in DR.

 

[GTRedman]

Can you see percentage in the game or just guessing off the bar?

I used the GranTracker app which uses that bar to figure it out

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[Yard_Sale]

It's an ELO system. All it depends on is the number of participants and the points they have going in. They all give points to and take points from each other - a zero-sum game.

The only way to increase the amount of DR you can gain (or lose) is by increasing the number of participants...

Well yea. My stance is just more or less based off of principle, combined with how they award points in FIA races based on the strength of the lobby. And even that’s a somewhat broken system too.

To be fair, I only ever really care about this when I’m trying to build an account, or keep one from falling off a cliff

 

[r_epp]

Can you see percentage in the game or just guessing off the bar?

You can use Gran Tracker by @GrumpyOldMan or Kudos Prime to track it. You do need to manually input some things though.

 

[Famine]

And as with ELO there is a subtle weighting that being the starting position vs finishing position. Or expected winner vs challenger.

Mmm... no. It's a straight finish position calculation. You take 80-([Your DR - Their DR]/500) off everyone you beat and you lose 80+([Their DR-Your DR]/500) to everyone who beats you.

There's a couple of minor hacks. It's not possible to win a race and lose DR no matter what the DR difference, and of course there's the whole bonus for advancing a level and penalty for dropping a level (and resets).


Otherwise all that matters is where you finish and the difference in starting DR scores between all the drivers; absent extreme edge cases, the total DR exchange each race is zero.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Mmm... no. It's a straight finish position calculation. You take 80-([Your DR - Their DR]/500) off everyone you beat and you lose 80+([Their DR-Your DR]/500) to everyone who beats you.

There's a couple of minor hacks. It's not possible to win a race and lose DR no matter what the DR difference, and of course there's the whole bonus for advancing a level and penalty for dropping a level (and resets).


Otherwise all that matters is where you finish and the difference in starting DR scores between all the drivers; absent extreme edge cases, the total DR exchange each race is zero.

That makes sense, in chess and FIFA it doesn't work like that, as there is an expected stronger and weaker opponent where the stronger opponent doesn't gain as much if they win. It equals out when everyone has a similar level but where you have high dr vs low dr in the regular ELO you points loss is weighted.

So potentially the GT system is more ELO inspired rather than derived. That said it doesn't matter as it's the system we have to work to and they made it

 

[Voodoovaj]

I wish the SR was more of a limiting factor to DR. We know if you hang out with a SR B long enough, your DR A will become a DR B, but I thin kit should be immediate.

SR A = DR A Max, SR B = DR B max, etc as soon as the SR drops. No leeway

Like, when I see a DR A with an SR B, I know it's going to be a mess and that person will likely deteriorate my SR on their way past. Let's face it, you aren't really an A driver, if you have a BH safety rating.

 

[MetalApe]

SR A = DR A Max, SR B = DR B max, etc as soon as the SR drops. No leeway

That won't work, it just means they'll go into lobbies where they can easily qualify on pole and walk off into the distance for an easy win. Which will also clean up their SR very quickly and see them back soon annoying everyone again.

The idea of matching drivers based on SR generally works well, the only glitch is the weird case where drivers close to promotion find themselves mixed in with the low SR drivers of the DR above them.