GT7 has failed to be Gran Turismo

[Gt79]

I accidentally spend almost a mil on upgrades during the whole sp experience and wasn't even aware of it until I checked profile page
Most ridiculous pricing is tires, almost 40k for RS lol, in what universe this pricing is ok

 

[m76]

Do people honestly think the game ends here? For me, there are some huge clues that GT7 will grow and evolve as time goes on. Menu 39 is not the end.

Things are very different now - games tend to come in instalments, there’s add-ons, DLC, updates. It’s not like the days of GT4 when you got everything at once.

Are we allowing wishful thinking into evidence now?

I despise "live service" games. If they said that this will be that up-front, I'd not have poked it with a mile long pole.

I’m confident in the theory of the Menu Books being a prologue / tutorial of sorts. It hardly touched on the actual racecars in the game, and we know from past GTs that there’s usually a whole heap of Group 1, LMP and Endurance events after we’ve dealt with the roadcars. I mean, the penultimate Menu Book was roadcars (Ferrari), then we got one single Group 3 Championship. Almost like the championship was a bit of a teaser, a hint of the direction to come.

Even if their intention is to add more content they should've been up-front about it and said:

"Hey, folks this is a preview and the game will vastly expand in the coming weeks"

Of course I'd still have stayed the f away, and bought the game only after all the content is released, but at least I'd not have lost all trust in polyphony.

PS: That is not even considering that I do not want more of the same. Continuing menu books is like telling the mine worker to not to worry, there is always more coal to dig up.

 

[Boxerengine4]

Are we allowing wishful thinking into evidence now?

I despise "live service" games. If they said that this will be that up-front, I'd not have poked it with a mile long pole.

Even if their intention is to add more content they should've been up-front about it and said:

"Hey, folks this is a preview and the game will vastly expand in the coming weeks"

Of course I'd still have stayed the f away, and bought the game only after all the content is released, but at least I'd not have lost all trust in polyphony.

PS: That is not even considering that I do not want more of the same. Continuing menu books is like telling the mine worker to not to worry, there is always more coal to dig up.

I completely understand the stuff about "live service" games being stupid, but I really don't get how you didn't know this was going to be the case considering how GT Sport was. They were pretty up front from the beginning about the game receiving monthly content installments like GTS did.

 

[BigJimmy]

I accidentally spend almost a mil on upgrades during the whole sp experience and wasn't even aware of it until I checked profile page
Most ridiculous pricing is tires, almost 40k for RS lol, in what universe this pricing is ok

40k for an unlimited supply of racing tyres, that looks like a bargain any GT3 team would snap up.

 

[Gt79]

Based on that after every 20 minutes race engine needs an overhaul, if you talking about realism
Except this game does not have any actual visual damage system implemented, so it's only realistic when it comes to prices and not actual winning percentage, if a racer got paid 5k for le mans endurance, which doesn't even cover the tire price he'd probably quit

 

[MOOGU]

My honest opinion. GT7 came out 1 month early.

Agree, Not 1 month one year early or more, multiplayer is incomplete your not even numbered at the start if the game if it starts at all, the 6 missions are all the same I'm here to race not run over cones. Took me 3 days to get thru the menu books. Licensing 2 days, ok that as cool. That's the way it was released half complete(or less). Same as GT SPORT.

 

[Gt79]

That's the long ongoing trend of early access gaming, they only complete after numerous patches and updates within a year

 

[RikkiGT-R]

I think it's slightly ironic that a mainline GT game has less single player content than the previous, pared down, online centric version that preceded it.

I went back to GT Sport last night and it’s actually shocking how much “single player” content there is compared to GT7, when 7 is supposed to be the main series title that is back to its roots.

7 is an absolute disgrace. A 1/10 game compared to the rest of the series, and I’m being kind.

 

[KCElstun38]

I agree about the nature of being driven into microtransactions. Not being able to sell cars is ludicrous. I loved GT6, but after having played F1 2021 several months, I can say that GT7 is a game. It's fun to play, has great ambience, tremendous graphics... but it's a game. You have to grind, as with most games.

And compared to F1, well there really isn't any comparison. F1 has terrible music, but it has graphics that, while not on the same level as GT7, are not bad at all. The "ambience" in F1 is all about the simulation. There is no grind. You grind for points in the championship. And F1 has the best force-feedback of any game I have ever played. That was my first big disappointment with GT7; the FF. And racing with full realism and full length races is a freaking workout. I love it!

But after my initial letdown, I am having fun with GT7. Yeah, the races are ridiculously short, and the fields are ridiculously small, but I approach it as a means to unwind. GT7 makes me smile. F1 makes me sweat.

 

[ford capri]

In my opinion the problem is that they have cut a lot of content that they have ready
Kei cars book ( Honduras 660,beat. Copen)
Toyota 86 book( visibile in Brembo trailer)
VGT book ( visibile in state of play)
Redbull x2019 events (closed doors event)
Supercars and Gr1 events
Other book with porsche 550 spider, Mercedes 300, visibile in september 2021 showcase.

They have promoted the game as the only one that will save automotive history but there is any book about Aston Martin, Lamborghini, mclaren, subaru impreza, lancer evolution, honda nsx, no one about classics ferraris. No one about le mans group c, that's ridicoluos.

The game is sold at full price but is atructured lite a free to play game like real racing 3, you have to grind the same event for hours or spend real money if you Walter buy major part of the cars

 

[OldSilentHill]

This is a rant thread, but rather than an angry rant, it is a very sad rant.

Gran Turismo 7 has unfortunately managed what I thought unthinkable. It failed so miserably that I didn't even play it for 2 days now. I lost all excitement. I had more fun re-playing GT1 and GT2 leading up to the release. Much more fun in fact than GT7 was able to provide so far. I'd hazard that outside of the offshoot releases like the prolouges and sport, this is the worst GT game to date.

I can't point to a single thing that is wrong with GT7, it's a ton of small issues, that might be deemed inconsequential on their own. But put together, it is literally a death of a thousand cuts.

The things that contribute most to the failure are:

1. Lack of freedom to do as you will.
   With all content locked away, you can't do anything but follow the beaten path. Any individuality is sorely punished by the game. For example I purchased a car early on, but I couldn't really use it beyond a few races, because the game unlocks races that are only suitable for the cars that it gave as prizes for the previous ones.
   
   This makes GT mode, or career mode if you will a boring grind, and not an exciting wonderland of opportunities like in previous GT games.
   You do not chose the cars you race, and you do not choose the tracks you race on. There is no sense of achievement of making the right choice of cars.
   
   I was hoping desperately that the menu book nonsense is just part of the tutorial, and soon everything will unlock, but then it continued on and on, trickle feeding content. It's boring me out of my mind.
   
   
2. The bugs and issues surrounding progression and challenges
   Ultimately this was the last straw that broke the horse's back for me. I'm unwilling to waste my time trying to complete missions or challenges that might be bugged. And the casual way in which Polyphony just writes in the "fixed issues" of the release log, that if you previously didn't get a trophy you just need to do the challenges again, boils my blood.
   
   
3. Nerfed credit income
   I really don't understand why fans are taking this without saying a word. Are you confused into silence? The game is obviously designed to shepherd people towards microtransactions. I played the game for two weeks and all I have to show for it is two cars that I was able to purchase for 160k and 250k respectively, and some mild upgrades, and about 500k left in credits. It is pathetic, especially considering that the most desirable cars tend to cost a million credits or more.
   
   Why can't we sell cars, really? Can anyone give a reasonable explanation other than to nerf income? Especially considering that this seems to be a last minute addition since the PS store page of the game still mentions selling as part of the game.
   
   And then we didn't even mention invites to purchase cars yet. It's 100% a play trying to exploit FOMO. Yeah, buy credits now, otherwise we take away your opportunity to buy the Veyron, or whatever. But they can dangle anything in front of me, I spit on it rather than catch when it comes to microtransactions.
   
   
4. The rest of the minor issues
   Like the weird physics, the cluttered hud with tons of useless stuff, the lack of customization of the view position, the talking heads they didn't even bother to voice all take away from the experience.

The worst part is that game failed by design. As in it's not that they failed to do what they set out to do, but the egregious parts are deliberate design decisions.

1. BS. You have the Lobbies and you can set whatever you want there, with more freedom THAN EVER.

2. BS. I´ve barely had any bugs and the few will be fixed. The game has been released to the market more polished than 95% of the games out there. And we are talking about a huge game.

3. BS. 0,05% of the people playing the game, will actually go to microtransaction. And could be even less. You have alternatives to farm credits. They just took off the easy paths other Gran Turismos had in the past. For me, this is an improvement. Let´s value the money so we can value the cars.

4. There are minor issues, but they will eventually change for the better, like GT Sport, stop drama queening.

GT7 is probably the closest thing to GT4, which was the best GT. And a lot of things are even better. If GT7 is like today less than 2 weeks from release, it will be monstrous and even more beautiful in 6-12 months.

 

[danowat]

1. BS. You have the Lobbies and you can set whatever you want there, with more freedom THAN EVER.

2. BS. I´ve barely had any bugs and the few will be fixed. The game has been released to the market more polished than 95% of the games out there. And we are talking about a huge game.

3. BS. 0,05% of the people playing the game, will actually go to microtransaction. And could be even less. You have alternatives to farm credits. They just took off the easy paths other Gran Turismos had in the past. For me, this is an improvement. Let´s value the money so we can value the cars.

4. There are minor issues, but they will eventually change for the better, like GT Sport, stop drama queening.

GT7 is probably the closest thing to GT4, which was the best GT. And a lot of things are even better. If GT7 is like today less than 2 weeks from release, it will be monstrous and even more beautiful in 6-12 months.

I love it when people quote percentages of things (and one to 2 decimal places!!!) they couldn't possible know, or back up with actual evidence.

FWIW, GT4 had ten times the single player content, as shown by the completionist stat from how long to beat, 30 hrs vs 300 hrs, so no, it's a LOOONNNGGG way from GT4.

 

[beaker2188]

1. BS. You have the Lobbies and you can set whatever you want there, with more freedom THAN EVER.

2. BS. I´ve barely had any bugs and the few will be fixed. The game has been released to the market more polished than 95% of the games out there. And we are talking about a huge game.

3. BS. 0,05% of the people playing the game, will actually go to microtransaction. And could be even less. You have alternatives to farm credits. They just took off the easy paths other Gran Turismos had in the past. For me, this is an improvement. Let´s value the money so we can value the cars.

4. There are minor issues, but they will eventually change for the better, like GT Sport, stop drama queening.

GT7 is probably the closest thing to GT4, which was the best GT. And a lot of things are even better. If GT7 is like today less than 2 weeks from release, it will be monstrous and even more beautiful in 6-12 months.

A game so huge I beat it in a day lol

 

[chromatic9]

I went back to GT Sport last night and it’s actually shocking how much “single player” content there is compared to GT7, when 7 is supposed to be the main series title that is back to its roots.

7 is an absolute disgrace. A 1/10 game compared to the rest of the series, and I’m being kind.

Hopefully PD can update GT7 like they did with GT Sport.

I'll be checking to see if GT7 is worth buying this autumn/winter. In its current state I'm not going to bother.

 

[philipPF]

Are we allowing wishful thinking into evidence now?

I despise "live service" games. If they said that this will be that up-front, I'd not have poked it with a mile long pole.

There's an article on GTplanet about future updates : https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-updates-add-new-tracks-cars-20220303/
The news on GT7 website : https://www.gran-turismo.com/lu/gt7/news/00_3426773.html

This update thing was already there for GT Sport, it's not something brand new... With all informations available nowadays you can only blame yourself, next time don't preorder and/or wait for the tests.

 

[Mafio]

Hopefully PD can update GT7 like they did with GT Sport.

I'll be checking to see if GT7 is worth buying this autumn/winter. In its current state I'm not going to bother.

shrugs

Profit today, profit tomorrow. Its all the same.

 

[m76]

1. BS. You have the Lobbies and you can set whatever you want there, with more freedom THAN EVER.

So, how is online racing supposed to make up for lack of offline single player content? Or are they just interchangeable now? I'd love to see what you do when MCD gets your order totally wrong.

2. BS. I´ve barely had any bugs and the few will be fixed. The game has been released to the market more polished than 95% of the games out there. And we are talking about a huge game.

Even one bug preventing the completion of a challenge is one too much. It gets frustrating. There are bugs, and there are BUGS that prevent progression. As far as I'm concerned GT7 is worse than Cyberpunk 2077 was, as I was able to complete the latter without getting bogged down by challenges where an RND might prevent you from competing them.

3. BS. 0,05% of the people playing the game, will actually go to microtransaction. And could be even less. You have alternatives to farm credits. They just took off the easy paths other Gran Turismos had in the past. For me, this is an improvement. Let´s value the money so we can value the cars.

Oh, yes blame the players. While completely ignoring the fact that the game is deliberately made less enjoyable to 99.95% of players (yeah I can pull numbers from my anus too).

No, they cut off all paths, besides the one boring beaten path of following the menu books like a poodle. The point of GT was always the path, not the goal. That's what gave it tremendous replayability. What relpayability GT7 has? Zero, you are not even allowed to start a new game.

4. There are minor issues, but they will eventually change for the better, like GT Sport, stop drama queening.

Yeah, get one complaint out of context and act as if the entire disappointment hinges on that. If these were the only issues I'd be happily playing the game. As it stands I already packed up my racing rig. I jus have to wait for them to fix it. Or if they don't, this was my last Gran Turismo game, and the last $ they ever saw from me.

GT7 is probably the closest thing to GT4, which was the best GT. And a lot of things are even better. If GT7 is like today less than 2 weeks from release, it will be monstrous and even more beautiful in 6-12 months.

Oh and calling everything BS does not make your points seem more valid, au contraire.

 

[m76]

There's an article on GTplanet about future updates : https://www.gtplanet.net/gt7-updates-add-new-tracks-cars-20220303/
The news on GT7 website : https://www.gran-turismo.com/lu/gt7/news/00_3426773.html

This update thing was already there for GT Sport, it's not something brand new... With all informations available nowadays you can only blame yourself, next time don't preorder and/or wait for the tests.

I did not play GT Sport, exactly, because I did my research. LOL, the cope is strong with some people here. You are allowed to like GT7 while admitting that it has serious shortcomings to it. You don't have to pretend that everything is perfect and any complaint is unreasonable.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

Hopefully PD can update GT7 like they did with GT Sport.

I'll be checking to see if GT7 is worth buying this autumn/winter. In its current state I'm not going to bother.

This is what I’m hoping too.
The content potential is there, the cars and tracks and tuning and various sales area. But the woeful economy and utter lack of races has completely hamstrung the game beyond belief.

 

[Ryan81]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I personally love the layout of GT7. As someone mentioned, you can easily create your own events, be it endurance races or drifting.

 

[m76]

I completely understand the stuff about "live service" games being stupid, but I really don't get how you didn't know this was going to be the case considering how GT Sport was. They were pretty up front from the beginning about the game receiving monthly content installments like GTS did.

Because GT Sport was an offshoot of the series. This was supposed to be a sequel to GT6, not GT Sport.
Imagine getting Uncharted 5 and instead of it being a sequel to Uncharted 4, it is a sequel to Lost Legacy. Even if I liked Lost Legacy, I'd be confused and upset.

 

[Barracuda413]

so lets see if we can list all the complaints

1:the game is too short,
2:it takes too long to earn enough credits to buy every car
3: not enough content
4:adding more content via updates is bad

all of your pointless complaints about GT7 have been duly noted
and will be promptly ignored,
everyone else can now go back to enjoying the first new Gran Turismo game in nearly a decade

that is all

 

[Mafio]

A game so huge I beat it in a day lol

So you 100% the game? Seeing credits doesn't mean you "beat the game". This isn't even a game you "beat". Who was the final boss?

GT isn't a gamers game. Idk why people repeatedly refuse to believe this.

 

[philipPF]

I did not play GT Sport, exactly, because I did my research. LOL, the cope is strong with some people here. You are allowed to like GT7 while admitting that it has serious shortcomings to it. You don't have to pretend that everything is perfect and any complaint is unreasonable.

But I quite agree with your first post, and some other things disappointed me as well (race formats with 2/3 laps only, time progression x10 to show that "it's there", too much cars "given" too fast, rain effect that could be more intense, etc...).

Yet I'm globaly liking the game, not perfect but I enjoy it, I have little time to play so I'm far from "finishing" the game in ten days.

And yes I'm glad there will be content updates, it's not a big surprise as it was already there in GT sport, and I find it's a good way to point attention to a few car selection each X months (well, for the update frequency, we'll see, hope it will be same rythm than gt sport)

 

[Veinz]

They shot themselves in the foot by making this a cross gen game, it’s going pretty much exactly as I expected. I feel little sympathy for the people who wanted this.

 

[beaker2188]

So you 100% the game? Seeing credits doesn't mean you "beat the game". This isn't even a game you "beat". Who was the final boss?

GT isn't a gamers game. Idk why people repeatedly refuse to believe this.

Yes. Everything. Well except for the final boss, Hagerty. I guess you got me there.

 

[TwentyValve]

I love watching people argue their opinions.

 

[talhaONE]

The game should be called Gran Turismo 7 The Real Grinding Simulator.

 

[KBart]

You don't have to pretend that everything is perfect and any complaint is unreasonable.

This is the part many people don't seem to understand.
Most people who critize this game, actually like the game but are sad as it could have been so much more.

I am having a lot of fun playing GT7 - that doesn't mean I won't speak up about the horrible pricing methods they implemented.

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I personally love the layout of GT7. As someone mentioned, you can easily create your own events, be it endurance races or drifting.

See above - If you like the game and enjoy it -> good for you.
I also like the way i can make custom races to my liking, but when i see that for a 20-30 Min CustomRace i get 7200 CR i feel cheated and ask myself why would i play that instead of making 97,500 on Fisherman in 3-4 Min.

And I accept that CustomRaces pay less then CampaignRaces but reasonable would be like 70-80 % of the money.
At the moment you get like 1-3 % worth of the money.

That doesn't mean they are not fun to drive, but they don't feel rewarding at all.

GT isn't a gamers game. Idk why people repeatedly refuse to believe this.

This one gets is.
Not a game for gamers (why would anyone ever make a game for gamers) but instead a game for the shareholders /s

 

[GingerBredMan]

I feel like I dodged a bullet with this one. I just knew they would manage to screw up career mode somehow.

What makes it more aggravating is they didn’t provide a proper career mode, and instead spent time and resources on something called “music rally”.