GT7 in 4K?

[dissectional1]

4K may seem pretty popular, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to stick as quickly... Sure the tech sells but so does pretty much every new toy in market once the price tag becomes reasonable. One of the main things that push that sort of technology to become widespread is TV broadcasting and not every place in the world has real full HD capable transmission bandwidth... in terms of Movie/TV 3d is much cheaper to produce than HD. in a nutshell al it takes is aonther lense on the cameras... for HD, the whole equipment had to be replaced and that ain't cheap. I believe that for the time being the 4K thing is more of a trend among some pc gamers who are a little overly commited to gaming and have too much cash to fork out an too little to do with it besides investing in gaming. I don't see Blu Ray movies making a significant contribute in sales boosting for 4K tech, because by the time Blu Ray reached the market most people were already using Media Servers and similar to reproduce content. The only reason Blu Ray wasn't a stillborn was because the PS3 had the tech and compared to the other devices available in the market it featured a better cost/benefit ratio.
And a lot of people don't stand there trying to count the Frames Per Second they can squeeze out of their games, as long as there aren't any massive dropouts and bumps, most folks are just fine if their games look nice and play decently...
And regarding the PS3 and GT6, well the coding for the thing had to be done to expolit the capabilities of the Cell Broadband CPU, because the graphics portion and RAM of the console is seriously laughable specwise. So games for the platform have to be heavily CPU reliant. On the current gen machines, they're close to tackling PC territory, so it should be more straight forward to code for it, but in order to get the most juice the blender needs a pretty beefy engine and good blades so it would have an impact on the price, so if you're expecting a top notch PC performance you might as well get the real deal, but those are just my two cents on the topic.

Of course PD can deliver if they really feel like it, but people need to be realist about it

 

[super_gt]

Actually I am still running GT6 at 720p all the time even though I am playing it on a 1080p TV. I guess I just prefer smoother gameplay over higher resolution. PD can take their time on the graphic department, I don't really need anything over 1080p. (its just me, though)

+1

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Make your mind up.



Or they could try to push it too far again and we end up with yet another game that doesn't maintain 60fps at close to all times. Remember that? GT4 was the last game to manage it.

I'm actually curious why you seem to prefer higher resolution over framerates.



No offense but that is a sample size of how many? I can just as easily say I don't know a single person with a 4K set and have three 1080p sets in my house, It's still a tiny sample. In terms of big numbers the biggest selling sets on the big sites and stores are still 1080p. They are still widely available, unlike what people were predicting early in this thread.

I'm not denying 4k sets aren't pretty popular now and getting more and more popular but the prediction that you pretty much wouldn't be able to buy a HDTV in 2015 that wasn't 4k was very wrong.

I'm saying both so no need to make mind up one way or another...

It wouldn't be too bad if drop from 60FPS was on 4K mode.

I prefer high framerates. Hopefully there will be native 1080p 120Hz option for hot lapping.

Looking at large screen TVs from say most popular manufacturer Samsung, most of their range is 4K. Bolded what you mentioned, can you show me post on here that says that? Maybe I missed it skim reading?

Actually quite impressed how accurate prediction so far turned out to be. Quality large LCD 1080p TVs seem to be going the same way as Plasma. 2015 was a massive shift to 4K large screen UHD TVs. Looking at reviews on AVForums, 4K dominated that year: Link

 

[lancia delta hf]

I don't even understand the hype behind 4K. Is there really that big a difference?

Make your mind up.



Or they could try to push it too far again and we end up with yet another game that doesn't maintain 60fps at close to all times. Remember that? GT4 was the last game to manage it.

I'm actually curious why you seem to prefer higher resolution over framerates.



No offense but that is a sample size of how many? I can just as easily say I don't know a single person with a 4K set and have three 1080p sets in my house, It's still a tiny sample. In terms of big numbers the biggest selling sets on the big sites and stores are still 1080p. They are still widely available, unlike what people were predicting early in this thread.

I'm not denying 4k sets aren't pretty popular now and getting more and more popular but the prediction that you pretty much wouldn't be able to buy a HDTV in 2015 that wasn't 4k was very wrong.

You missunderstood my point, i was backing your pov, basically i know a lot of people who still dont have HD tv's so we're not gonna go from that to everyone having 4k tv's in 2015. Its going to be a good while before 4k tv's are in everyones homes. We dont even have HD tv channels as standard yet

 

[Tired Tyres]

4K is just an interim step before 8K though just like 720P was for 1080P.

If I was in the market for a new set now, I would choose 1080P rather than 4K. Lack of content guarantees that.

 

[CSLACR]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJ5X7L4/?tag=gtplanet-20

4k isn't that much more than 1080p anymore. Especially if you find a sale, a cheap model can be, well, cheap.

I would question the forethought of anyone splurging on 1080p right now unless they directly intend to skip 4k for a couple years, because the pricing isn't that much different.

 

[Samus]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJ5X7L4/?tag=gtplanet-20

4k isn't that much more than 1080p anymore. Especially if you find a sale, a cheap model can be, well, cheap.

I would question the forethought of anyone splurging on 1080p right now unless they directly intend to skip 4k for a couple years, because the pricing isn't that much different.

That is a cheap Chinese panel, not like for like if you're comparing to a top brand 1080p set.

Not the same one, but:

http://www.cnet.com/products/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd/

 

[Johnnypenso]

That is a cheap Chinese panel, not like for like if you're comparing to a top brand 1080p set.

Not the same one, but:

http://www.cnet.com/products/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd/

And this...from the review:

HE BOTTOM LINE Seiki's SE50UY04 can't compete with most standard HDTVs at this price in terms of picture quality, but at least it breaks new pricing ground for 4K resolution.

As with all things, you get what you pay for. Cheap tv's are cheap for a reason, not because they magically found a way to put all the features and benefits and picture quality of more expensive sets into their construction.

 

[Soundtrack]

Beware though, as ironically these low priced/discounted sets are Standard UHD displays, while the near future seems to go towards Premium UHD. Obsolescence these days is reaching unprecedented levels and it isn’t that surprising people are just holding on, after all the NHK seems bloody serious about their Super Hi-Vision format.

 

[chzsln485]

Beware though, as ironically these low priced/discounted sets are Standard UHD displays, while the near future seems to go towards Premium UHD. Obsolescence these days is reaching unprecedented levels and it isn’t that surprising people are just holding on, after all the NHK seems bloody serious about their Super Hi-Vision format.

Oh heavens...

If the Standard and Premium divide wasn't irritating enough in GT... now it's invaded the television industry too?

 

[NLxAROSA]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJ5X7L4/?tag=gtplanet-20

4k isn't that much more than 1080p anymore. Especially if you find a sale, a cheap model can be, well, cheap.

I would question the forethought of anyone splurging on 1080p right now unless they directly intend to skip 4k for a couple years, because the pricing isn't that much different.

With the input lag mentioned in the reviews it's completely useless for gaming (as in: literally unplayable). And apparently the colors suck too. There's a reason this is cheap (read: it's crap).

 

[Samus]

That isn't actually a new spec or anything, it's just basically a way to definitively state "Our UHDTV is great and ticks all the boxes it's meant to" whereas the cheap panels won't be able to because they, well, won't.

The divide already exists and always has even back to CRT days, they're just coming up with a way to clearly market the ones that are the top of the list.

 

[Soundtrack]

There is a list of minimal requirements in the provided link. Very few existing 4K displays will meet them.

 

[FS7]

Driving standard cars in cockpit view in 4K must be interesting...

 

[Johnnypenso]

Driving standard cars in cockpit view in 4K must be interesting...

You can put your face right up to the screen and see that black cockpit outline without aliasing

 

[chzsln485]

With the input lag mentioned in the reviews it's completely useless for gaming (as in: literally unplayable). And apparently the colors suck too. There's a reason this is cheap (read: it's crap).

Yes. I've tried the 32in version of this TV, and it's unusable for gaming. When the lag measured in milliseconds is a three digit number starting with a 3, you know input lag is likely to be an issue. Not to mention the tinny audio, overly vibrant, washed out colours...

Essentially, these TVs have a single purpose - pixel count, and that comes at the expense of almost everything else that is required to make a display a pleasurable experience. I also sampled a high-end Sony 1080p display, that despite having a lower native resolution, was vastly, vastly superior in almost every way. The first thing you notice when you use a Seiki TV is how poor almost everything is, and the fact that it's 4K is barely of interest when the rest of the TV is so compromised. The Sony, on the other hand, was so much better, that the fact it was 1080p and not 4K was no problem.

Conclusion: stay away from Seiki TVs. Really. A decent 1080p set will be a far better use of your money.

 

[super_gt]

Driving standard cars in cockpit view in 4K must be interesting...

I know that this is an old meme but:

 

[chzsln485]

I know that this is an old meme but:

Standard cockpit view in VR...

 

[CSLACR]

That is a cheap Chinese panel, not like for like if you're comparing to a top brand 1080p set.

Not the same one, but:

http://www.cnet.com/products/seiki-se50uy04-4k-uhd/

I am aware that it is a cheap, crappy TV. But you can easily find name brand UHD TV's in the 30 to 50 inch range between $400-$1000, which is less than people were paying for 1080P just 5 years ago.

 

[NLxAROSA]

Standard cockpit view in VR...

Another reason why sub-standards should not be in the next GT. 👍

 

[FS7]

I know that this is an old meme but:

I really hope the next GT will be a great game but one has to laugh at the idea of looking at blacked out interiors in 4K and listening to vacuum cleaner sounds in a 7.1 surround system.

 

[Tired Tyres]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VJ5X7L4/?tag=gtplanet-20

4k isn't that much more than 1080p anymore. Especially if you find a sale, a cheap model can be, well, cheap.

I would question the forethought of anyone splurging on 1080p right now unless they directly intend to skip 4k for a couple years, because the pricing isn't that much different.

You just don't get it do you? It has NOTHING to do with money. There is no actual reason to buy 4k. At all. It's a white elephant.

 

[CSLACR]

You just don't get it do you? It has NOTHING to do with money. There is no actual reason to buy 4k. At all. It's a white elephant.

 

[dissectional1]

It will be probably a cold day in hell before 4K tech actually gets an use... Most places are barely into halfway implementation of full HD... The majority of the content that reaches the masses is still in SD.

 

[Samus]

It will be probably a cold day in hell before 4K tech actually gets an use... Most places are barely into halfway implementation of full HD... The majority of the content that reaches the masses is still in SD.

4k broadcasting is unlikely to ever be a big thing. As alluded to earlier in the thread, most of the major broadcasters (NHK, BBC) are looking to skip straight to 8k.

The US are still miles behind, given that their HD broadcasts are still in MPEG-2 and some major broadcasters (ABC, Fox) are still only 720p.

 

[MSZ]

4k broadcasting is unlikely to ever be a big thing. As alluded to earlier in the thread, most of the major broadcasters (NHK, BBC) are looking to skip straight to 8k.

The US are still miles behind, given that their HD broadcasts are still in MPEG-2 and some major broadcasters (ABC, Fox) are still only 720p.

Up here in Canada, we are already having weekly sport event(NBA, NHL)in 4K since January, soon to be daily beginning next month. But the providers here are asking big bucks for the 4K service, I doubt people are going to give a damn at all, and like you said, by 2020 we will have 8K broadcasts so 4K is kinda like a stopgap thing for the time being.

 

[Samus]

Up here in Canada, we are already having weekly sport event(NBA, NHL)in 4K since January, soon to be daily beginning next month. But the providers here are asking big bucks for the 4K service, I doubt people are going to give a damn at all, and like you said, by 2020 we will have 8K broadcasts so 4K is kinda like a stopgap thing for the time being.

Yup, sports is about all you'll see in 4k. It's the same deal here. The channels showing dramas/soaps etc won't because they aren't going to upgrade all of their equipment to shoot all of their shows in 4k, then again for 8k. Too expensive, so they'll just jump straight to 8k.

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

There is almost zero chance of a 4K GT on PS4 (outside a tech demo of some sort). A PS4 has hardware on a par with a lowish/mid-range gaming PC, but does benefit from superior optimisation. However, this is the sort of hardware needed to run graphically demanding games in 4K (and judging by Polyphony's track record, we can be fairly sure GT will continue to be visually and technically impressive):

http://techbuyersguru.com/2500-extreme-4k-gaming-pc-build

That PC costs around the price of 7 PS4s. It requires two extremely high end GPUs (each of them individually costing significantly more than the PS4), twice the RAM of the PS4...

4K hardware is simply on another level to the PS4. Bearing in mind a few of the best looking PS4 games can only do 30fps at 1080p (like Driveclub), a 4K GT is safely off the cards.

A PS4.5, therefore, would have to be significantly upgraded to make that sort of visual performance work at a decent framerate. If a PS4 was an MX-5, (a decent low-mid range sports car), that PC is an F1 car - and that's a significant jump.

You can't compare a pc to a console. A console could be lower spec and still run at 4k@30fps because game are optimized for the platform. I know that it's not what we or at least what I want but it's still possible.

 

[Samus]

You can't compare a pc to a console. A console could be lower spec and still run at 4k@30fps because game are optimized for the platform. I know that it's not what we or at least what I want but it's still possible.

There is optimisation then there is......blind hope. Optimisation helps in the range of 5-10%, nothing much more.

I'm not sure people are fully grasping the huge jump to 4k.

720p = 921600 pixels
1080p = 2073600 pixels = 125% increase over 720p
4k (3840x2160) = 8294400 pixels = 800% increase over 720p, 300% increase over 1080p

 

[avens]

^In addition to that, it's worth nothing no Gran Turismo game has ever run at 1080p in first place.

Get to that level first, and then think of 4K.