GTP Le Mans Prototype Series - S4 Pre-Season

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jakegirard
anyone wanna race a little bit tonight?

edit: amf i'll give you my 908 setup if you run that car. I guarantee you it will be as faster or faster, and as stable or more stable, than the 05 oreca audi.

edit number 2: i take it back amf, i just tested the audi 05 at indy road and it's awesome
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Yeh the audi is amazingly stable... whats ur bentley like???
 
amf7
Yeh the audi is amazingly stable... whats ur bentley like???
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I'm .3 to .5 faster per lap with the r8 05 at Indy Road, than with the Bentley at 960. With the Bentley un-penalized, I'm the same amount faster with the Bentley. Interesting.

The Bentley is faster in a straight line, a LITTLE. The Audi corners faster than the ballasted Bentley.

Edit: Golfer you're hysterical, and I'm not being sarcastic
 
jakegirard
I'm .3 to .5 faster per lap with the r8 05 at Indy Road, than with the Bentley at 960. With the Bentley un-penalized, I'm the same amount faster with the Bentley. Interesting.

The Bentley is faster in a straight line, a LITTLE. The Audi corners faster than the ballasted Bentley.

Edit: Golfer you're hysterical, and I'm not being sarcastic
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I'm missing this result unfortunately dont like indy road anyway TBH... but how stable is bentley
 
Amf the Bentley is fairly stable but not as stable as the R8 Oreca after ballast. To my personal taste, the Bentley without ballast is the best lmp I've driven in the game, with the R8 05 a close second. (i've never had an r8 2001)
 
jakegirard
I'm .3 to .5 faster per lap with the r8 05 at Indy Road, than with the Bentley at 960. With the Bentley un-penalized, I'm the same amount faster with the Bentley. Interesting.

The Bentley is faster in a straight line, a LITTLE. The Audi corners faster than the ballasted Bentley.

Edit: Golfer you're hysterical, and I'm not being sarcastic
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I haven't driven with the ballast in the bentley but in my tested those figures on laptimes are about right.

I've tweaked my BMW setup as well, and I think its rivals the R8 05 now. Extremely stable and very fast (though not a lot of seat time in either). One car that I was really pleasantly surprised with was the R92CP. Its pretty slow on the top end but is extremely stable and has pretty good cornering speed.


Also About Traction control, the lower the better. I've found if you're giving it gas and its holding you back quite a bit through the corner the higher the number the more itll snap on the power, if that makes sense. Like go into a corner and start giving it gas as you're exiting, with TC @ 1 its much more linear the way the power comes on, with it on 5, it kind slams on all at once and often gets you sideways.

Fwiw, my basic tune I throw on everything and has worked remarkably well is:
stock height
Stock springs
Shock Extension 6F 6F
Shock Compression 5F 5R
Roll Bar 2F 2R
Camber 1.9F 1.4R
Toe .1F .2R
LSD 10 15* 20

*= depending on car, some more some less, just enough so it doesn't get tail happy applying power out of the turns.

Its just a basic setup that I fine tune later, but if you look at the sig and the tunes, they're all very similar to that. My sig tunes are a bit out of date as well, I've tuned em a bit more.
 
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Drum404
I use no driving aids...maybe I have a wheel so that's expected....XD
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I would like to use no TC as its quicker, but I get too ambitious and give it to much gas coming out of corners and usually spin, lol. Hot lapping/time attack I do fine, its only in a race I do it, LOL.
 
Sorry for not really being around :( ill make it next saturday, what time are the races :)
Also is it possible that the R10 gets different regs to make it more competitve?
 
GT5_X2010
Someone thinks I'm funny!!!!
See Jamman, told you I can be
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I never said you can't. I just said when you are normally funny it's just when your being stupid :P
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I knew from pre season the Audi was so fast. Hence why my first post of this thread was I'll use the GT one or Audi R8 '05. But after the tests I'm certain bombe said it would be getting ballast. So I used the GT one. Then that gets ballast and the Audi's left scott free. Yet it had the 0.3 advantage at Indy over the Toyota. Great logic :rolleyes: :yuck:

I'm not complaining about the Audi not having ballast. It's just that if that doesn't have ballast the GT one shouldn't as well ;)

/rant over
 
GT5_X2010
F1 drivers pull 5g at one or two circuits (turkey after big straifght) for a second or two max. Mostly they are similar G to an LMP but faster acceleration and more downforce.
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What are you talking about? F1 drivers pull 5g at every track on the calender at least once (even at Monaco after the tunnel) and more often than not, not for a second or two.
Look:



Vettel hits 5g four times in one lap of Korea and spends a lot of time above 4g. Plus he does the last two turns one handed :P
 
It's not what the car you choose can do for you but how you handle the car. I chose the GT-One for season 2. Everyone else was fighting over the fancy pants 908 and didn't think twice about the GT. I got nowhere with it. Why? My driving and tunes were not up to par. Stop looking at hundredths of a second as meaning one car is superior over another. You really drive that well to shift, brake, turn, feather the throttle, feather the brake, hit the correct RPM range, roll, transfer weight, hit the apex, choose the correct line, use the correct brake points and so on each and every time in each different car to really know? I don't recall anyone fighting over the Audi either. Nobody bothered to weight check or HP check the GT, Bentley or Audi then. Bermuda knows what he's doing with the regulations. How's this?-> If Maverick was the only one using the GT-One would you ballast it? No, you would go on your merry way acknowledging he is a good racer and tuner, end of story. Same is true for Blaze and Jamman and their stomp. They tuned the car to win. The 787's were always up front, where is their penalty card for this season? When I fall behind it's because I crash or my tune is garbage but more so I do not drive as well as the rest of you. The fact is, you are all fast racers, rely on yourselves more and beat me and others like you always do.
 
I still prefer driving a stable car...
I agree driver makes a big difference as at some tracks i am 2-3 secs Jam and at tokyo theirs less than a second in it.. however he hadnt been practicing
 
AllinWitJT
The fact is, you are all fast racers, rely on yourselves more and beat me and others like you always do.
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It's not everytime ;)
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But a fact is that the GT-ONE is faster than the others and should have ballast. I don't know if it was too much, but we would've found out if they had been there. Now they can't prove anything wrong.
The GT-ONE was faster in all of my tests of the legal cars (as I recall) together with the Bentley. Not only their speed, but their handling was outstanding. And to me the handling is the decisive factor.

When AS and I won everything in the Audis they got banned. Fair enough. From my new testing, it was (with the championship setup) slower than the Bentley. A little tweaking and it was on top again, but what makes it superior is the handling of it, it's much easier to drive than the others. It's much better on a long run (and amazing tyre wear).
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Bentley ballast: Yes
GT-ONE ballast: Yes
Audi R8 ballast: No, they didn't catch me at La Sarthe, so why bother punishing them further.
787B ballast: No. But I would looooooove to know how on earth the car is set up by those Wankel guys :D
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EDIT: Another thing.

Will someone be kind enough to take pics of the qualify results + race results at Indy this Saturday? I can't be there, also mentioned before and in the spreadsheet.
 
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lol @ Allin saying everyone is better than him....dude you're definitely one of the best guys in the series

edit: I totally disagree with the GT-One ballast
 
As do I Jake.

Stupid thing is though on bombe's testing times the Courage C60 is near enough identical to the GT one at 600hp. So that should get ballast too, yes?

Which leads me on to another point. (I have talked with bombe about this) I still think it's the setup more than the car itself. Let's face it. I'm not a great driver. In season 2 with my own setup at 838hp (where the GT one should be advantaged with it's top speed) I sucked. Season 3 where I had a setup, from Blaze (which golfer calls basically making a double diffuser for it) I won and never left the top 2 all season.

With bombe's setups there's nothing to separate the GT one and Courage C60, yet with Blaze's setup nothing can catch it. Coincidental indeed. I rest my case. Or maybe the setup will get banned :rolleyes:
 
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another point, we should be let every driver have their shot of glory and I haven't had any glory. I had a 5th place. Thats it. Maybe if the GT-ONE is given a ballast or the Bentley, it should be given to the fast and proven drivers. E.G. is AMF uses the Bentley he wouldn't get as big a ballast while Jake would get 60kg. Same with me and Jamman.

Or the GT-ONE could be allowed to run un-ballasted at round 1 and a time penalty given if it dominates? Then a ballast at future races
 
jakegirard
no way golfer, we're not ballasting only certain drivers, that's ridiculous
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+1 utterly ridiculous. And to give the slower drivers glory, as golfer puts it. You earn 'glory' and also it isn't really much glory if every driver around you is being disadvantaged to aid you.
 
SebVettelFan
+1 utterly ridiculous. And to give the slower drivers glory, as golfer puts it. You earn 'glory' and also it isn't really much glory if every driver around you is being disadvantaged to aid you.
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not disadvantaged. just ballasted in a way that puts everyone at the same speed around a given cicuit (not Indy other I wil distort results)


or you could run a season ballasting system so if you win, you get +30kg ballast all the next races. Then 2nd is +20kg and 3rd is +10kg. This way you don't have to worry about ballasting the cars out exactly as the fastest cars eventually win and get ballasted making it harder for them but the poorer drivers get a lighter car come end of season giving them race wins but then they will get a heavy car so my Le Mans we are back at statuts quo

And don't say that is a stupid idea, end off becuase ALL GT champions IRL use that system and it lead to a JGTC championship being won by a car who delibrately never won a race (2nd was their best). So you get tactical people who don't get teh glory of a race win but get the title
 
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