GTP Nascar Nationwide Series | Series Champion: OwensRacing

[Knelly]

Yep. it's a shame but he has other priorities I believe.

 

[OwensRacing]

Yep. it's a shame but he has other priorities I believe.

He's just scared. j/k

 

[kenkwilinski]

He's just scared. j/k

Don't worry, I'll avenge him!

New Stats Post here, no more pics. Only 3 PDF files now. Includes Stats, Avg Finish, All-Time & Single Season Records.

Link here:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=7473282#post7473282


Short Summary:

Roush tied for 1st with JRM & RAB with 4 All-Time wins.
MULE tied with Furi & Crazy with 1 win as Owner (single season)
MULE also tied with Joe with 3 wins as Owner (career)
Crazy tied with Spurgy, Grinols, Mustard & Cowboys with 1 Pole Point (All-Time)
2010#43 (S1 + S2) tied with HD#20 (S1) & #99 (S1) with 2 All-Time Wins
Grinols tied the All-Time Single Season Record for Led Most Laps at 3.
Too bad Trynor won't be here to defend any of his titles against Grinols and the rest of the field.
And funny fact, Carbonox finished in the same spot at SSRX in S1

 

[Chqr]

Totally respect the penalty given to me and I'm not going to complain about that. Great job you've MULE with the second installment of the series but I'd just like to raise my view on the penalty system.

1. With the current penalty system, I feel as if drivers committing the crime are penalised and the victims left untouched. In S1, I used time-penalties to effectively remove the need for a penalties column in the tables. If I driver caused an accident, he would serve an appropriate penalty and the points for that race would be linear as NASCAR in real life would do.

2. This is Nationwide. I'm not saying we should be treated differently but as Nationwide drivers, some of us have varying levels of experience and will undoubtedly make mistakes. Heck, even Sprint Cup makes mistakes. This isn't quite a PURE series with the penalty enforcement duty and we are still human.

3. Penalties won't necessarily help drivers drive more cleanly. We are all clean drivers but we all make mistakes. I'm not saying we should stop penalties for mistakes as NASCAR employ but everyone here is not here to intentionally wreck anyone and we all appreciate we're clean drivers otherwise we wouldn't be signed up and ready to go.

4. Team penalties. I don't see why an individual's driver's points should affect their team. I feel that justice served to the driver is damage enough. I wouldn't even use point penalties but time penalties but that's me anyway or the time based approach Drop applies.

I just feel the series is being slightly PUREified. Not a bad thing and I'm not here to create an argument just my opinion and a discussion into it.

 

[kenkwilinski]

I agree with you Chqr. After two back to back races what you outline with your concern seems very apparent. Just look at my second from last post I wrote. I think WOW explains how I feel. But I don't make the rules or bend them either. So have decided to shut it n keep my foot on the gas. And if for some reason I cause a wreck, I feel like I can still get away with a win. Now I wouldn't do that. But I hope that wouldn't deter other drivers from such intent. Which I was actually questioning about yourself last week. But I don't hold grudges against anyone. We make mistakes n this is for fun. But honestly I was kinda upset that MULE for one posted two options A.) 8th & B.)12th. And what does he decide: option C.)7th place. Which wasn't even an option. Another strike against inconsistancy. But what do I care, neljack deserves whichever position he was awarded. And then there's the chqr penalty.....kinda dissappointed u were still granted 5th place. Thought u deserved less for wasting an hour of my life. But its ok cause I just wasted a few minutes outta all yours for reading this rant.

 

[Furinkazen]

I agree with you Chqr. After two back to back races what you outline with your concern seems very apparent. Just look at my second from last post I wrote. I think WOW explains how I feel. But I don't make the rules or bend them either. So have decided to shut it n keep my foot on the gas. And if for some reason I cause a wreck, I feel like I can still get away with a win. Now I wouldn't do that. But I hope that wouldn't deter other drivers from such intent. Which I was actually questioning about yourself last week. But I don't hold grudges against anyone. We make mistakes n this is for fun. But honestly I was kinda upset that MULE for one posted two options A.) 8th & B.)12th. And what does he decide: option C.)7th place. Which wasn't even an option. Another strike against inconsistancy. But what do I care, neljack deserves whichever position he was awarded. And then there's the chqr penalty.....kinda dissappointed u were still granted 5th place. Thought u deserved less for wasting an hour of my life. But its ok cause I just wasted a few minutes outta all yours for reading this rant.

That last sentence makes it seem almost troll-ish

 

[Adrenaline]

And then there's the chqr penalty.....kinda dissappointed u were still granted 5th place. Thought u deserved less for wasting an hour of my life. But its ok cause I just wasted a few minutes outta all yours for reading this rant.

Essentially, with the penalty, he actually finished in 8th.

I have zero opinion on the matter, but I am curious as to what you feel would have been a proper penalty, had it been up to you?

 

[kenkwilinski]

Adrenaline, I think the problem is that the penalty isn't reflected in the race final standings. Now, I didn't know he was essentially in 8th. By the looks he was given 5th. And to Furi, not really trollish. Just felt like I was stating the obvious. And a more appropriate penalty IMO is like Chqr said, a time penalty. Trust me guys, I'm not such a big a-hole. I actually do have fun doing this. I think the more we air out crap the better of a league this will ultimately be. I however do enjoy MULE hosting this series. And intend to keep racing hard against you guys.

 

[Furinkazen]

I reckon penalty points is a good system, it is used in Trucks now.

 

[Adrenaline]

Now, I didn't know he was essentially in 8th. By the looks he was given 5th.

5th place, with a 3 point penalty...

5th place is 12 points.
-3 points is 9 points
The same amount of points awarded for finishing in the 8th position.

The potential problem with a 'time penalty' in this situation, is that even after the wreck, had Chqr stuck with the lead pack, of Me, Dave and Owens, he would have finished over 30 seconds ahead of the second pack... Meaning unless the penalty was more than 30 seconds (which I assume is unlikely) he wouldn't have lost a single point or position, even with his penalty. I imagine you'd be far more upset with that decision 'by the rules'.

*disclaimer - I don't know how the time penalties work in other series, I'm guessing on the 'severity' and 'assumed time' penalty.

Edit: Even with a 45 second penalty, he comes out in a 'better' situation that his -3 points, with a 7th place finish.

 

[neljack]

Im confused by the team penalty, Chqr my own team mate accidently took me out initially and I may or may not have finished higher otherwise, so wasnt be already really punished by decreasing my chances of getting higher points?

No dig at Chqr, just saying it how it is, and not looking for an argument, just my honest opinion. 👍

 

[Chqr]

Im confused by the team penalty, Chqr my own team mate accidently took me out initially and I may or may not have finished higher otherwise, so wasnt be already really punished by decreasing my chances of getting higher points?

No dig at Chqr, just saying it how it is, and not looking for an argument, just my honest opinion. 👍

Exactly bro. This is my point here. 👍

5th place, with a 3 point penalty...

5th place is 12 points.
-3 points is 9 points
The same amount of points awarded for finishing in the 8th position.

The potential problem with a 'time penalty' in this situation, is that even after the wreck, had Chqr stuck with the lead pack, of Me, Dave and Owens, he would have finished over 30 seconds ahead of the second pack... Meaning unless the penalty was more than 30 seconds (which I assume is unlikely) he wouldn't have lost a single point or position, even with his penalty. I imagine you'd be far more upset with that decision 'by the rules'.

*disclaimer - I don't know how the time penalties work in other series, I'm guessing on the 'severity' and 'assumed time' penalty.

Edit: Even with a 45 second penalty, he comes out in a 'better' situation that his -3 points, with a 7th place finish.

Only issue is that the drivers below me in the finishing order are deprived of points that should've been claimed.

 

[Chqr]

Essentially, with the penalty, he actually finished in 8th.

I have zero opinion on the matter, but I am curious as to what you feel would have been a proper penalty, had it been up to you?

Not for me to say. I'll go by whatever the host says. He says 3. So be it. I won't argue with the host over penalties when I know I've made a mistake.

 

[kenkwilinski]

Ok well I guess penalties will always be elusive or subjective. Maybe start implementing cautions at ssrx only. Especially for a race that has no pit stops. The race has no strategy to it. Its not like Daytona where pit strategy n tire life plays a part in this race. Now it does for the SC's 600. But not the sprint types of 7-9 laps. I'm saying this because the penalties the Adrenaline used for example serve no justice either, and that's what I suggested. And as Chqr said himself, the lowering finishing racers are left disappointed, like myself with our current system. Or maybe just never have us race at such a stupid track or add cautions like Furi has in trucks series. But I have no clue how he does the caution procedure. This conversation is over. Just leave it be and keep using MULEs rules for now. This is stuff we can discuss for next season.

 

[Rich S]

I think Cheqr's penalty was slightly lenient, but I've got to remember this is Nationwide which is essentially Nascar for beginners here on GT planet. I would have liked -1 point for him bumping Davey into me destroying my race & the fun I was having; but thats life, you cant always get what you want...but when you try sometimes.


As far as my team > They've certainly showed great potential for the future as people get better & more experienced I think we can still win a race or two. All good things have their drawbacks, nobody's perfect. Common guys, get it together.

 

[OwensRacing]

I think Cheqr's penalty was slightly lenient, but I've got to remember this is Nationwide which is essentially Nascar for beginners here on GT planet. I would have liked -1 point for him bumping Davey into me destroying my race & the fun I was having; but thats life, you cant always get what you want...but when you try sometimes.

As far as my team > They've certainly showed great potential for the future as people get better & more experienced I think we can still win a race or two. All good things have their drawbacks, nobody's perfect. Common guys, get it together.

Were hoping to have those bulls by the horns come Indy. it's my home track.

 

[Carbonox]

I just feel the series is being slightly PUREified. Not a bad thing and I'm not here to create an argument just my opinion and a discussion into it.

That's what still keeps bothering me, but as long as Ryan remains the head of SC and doesn't move in the direction of PURE when it comes to ruling, it shouldn't be all that troubling.

No offence, but PURE takes racing too seriously and I don't want it like that. Not saying I would oppose Chqr's penalty, in fact I had firing him at mind because his driving was very erratic looking at the wreck as well as the last lap.

 

[Müle]

Totally respect the penalty given to me and I'm not going to complain about that. Great job you've MULE with the second installment of the series but I'd just like to raise my view on the penalty system.

1. With the current penalty system, I feel as if drivers committing the crime are penalised and the victims left untouched. In S1, I used time-penalties to effectively remove the need for a penalties column in the tables. If I driver caused an accident, he would serve an appropriate penalty and the points for that race would be linear as NASCAR in real life would do.

2. This is Nationwide. I'm not saying we should be treated differently but as Nationwide drivers, some of us have varying levels of experience and will undoubtedly make mistakes. Heck, even Sprint Cup makes mistakes. This isn't quite a PURE series with the penalty enforcement duty and we are still human.

3. Penalties won't necessarily help drivers drive more cleanly. We are all clean drivers but we all make mistakes. I'm not saying we should stop penalties for mistakes as NASCAR employ but everyone here is not here to intentionally wreck anyone and we all appreciate we're clean drivers otherwise we wouldn't be signed up and ready to go.

4. Team penalties. I don't see why an individual's driver's points should affect their team. I feel that justice served to the driver is damage enough. I wouldn't even use point penalties but time penalties but that's me anyway or the time based approach Drop applies.

I just feel the series is being slightly PUREified. Not a bad thing and I'm not here to create an argument just my opinion and a discussion into it.

I don't like messing with results after the race. However, I feel a penalty system is still needed so that dirty driving, or silly mistakes are still punished. If I had instant replay and could enforce drive-through penalties, or park people for a lap, I would.

Time penalties also run the risk of judgement calls and possible bias, and I want to keep those to an absolute minimum, especially since I am also a Team Owner.

Im confused by the team penalty, Chqr my own team mate accidently took me out initially and I may or may not have finished higher otherwise, so wasnt be already really punished by decreasing my chances of getting higher points?

No dig at Chqr, just saying it how it is, and not looking for an argument, just my honest opinion. 👍

Team points are taken off for 2 reasons. a) so that Sprint Cup drivers, who do not receive driver points can also be penalized, and b) so team owners think twice before letting dirty drivers race.

That's what still keeps bothering me, but as long as Ryan remains the head of SC and doesn't move in the direction of PURE when it comes to ruling, it shouldn't be all that troubling.

No offence, but PURE takes racing too seriously and I don't want it like that. Not saying I would oppose Chqr's penalty, in fact I had firing him at mind because his driving was very erratic looking at the wreck as well as the last lap.

When I took this on, I tried to keep all the PURE stuff out of it (except for drivers). I've gone over that before. I don't think the way I run it is any different from Sprint Cup, or season 1 under Chqr.

 

[RedPartyhat]

MULE, will you reply to my pm?

 

[Müle]

Partyhat, will you learn to understand I have a life, am working all week, and like to sleep as well?

 

[kenkwilinski]

Partyhat, will you learn to understand I have a life, am working all week, and like to sleep as well?

And u guys think I come off like an a.........
Mule, no offense but you don't have to be mean. We used to deal with Jakob remember?

 

[NAGT5NASCAR]

And u guys think I come off like an a.........
Mule, no offense but you don't have to be mean. We used to deal with Jakob remember?

Working on the stock car right now with the crew, trying to find speed out of this chassis. Hoping to push Crazy to the win with Smuffy help.

here is to a clean and good hard race boys for Saturday.

Mark W

 

[kenkwilinski]

Working on the stock car right now with the crew, trying to find speed out of this chassis. Hoping to push Crazy to the win with Smuffy help.

here is to a clean and good hard race boys for Saturday.

Mark W

Yes and finally a track for JRM to make a come back! Just hoping luck is with us this week, unlike week one and last week. I have a feeling its going to be a good race 👍 and thanks for the confidence Mark 👍 I do wish you push me to a win as well!

 

[NAGT5NASCAR]

I hope this is ok with you MULE for posting this link from my YouTube channel. Its my post race about SSRX.

If you do not like let me know I will remove it.

 

[The Bman]

I will be able to make it Saturday. Hoping not to finish 6 laps down like I did in the Cup Series.

 

[Müle]

Interesting behind the scenes developments going on, that's for sure....

Dexter, that's awesome 👍 No need to remove it.

 

[Furinkazen]

Significant changes incoming at Phoenix Racing.

 

[MustangRyan]

Significant changes incoming at Phoenix Racing.

Is someone being called up to replace Furi in Sprint Cup?

 

[Knelly]

Oh please

 

[Furinkazen]

Is someone being called up to replace Furi in Sprint Cup?

Oh please

Your wrong