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[BrandonW77]

Okay, sorry for asking.

Don't worry man, Wardez knows exactly what he's doing and his plan is going to be incredibly solid. If we want to get the GTP community onboard with us we need to present them a product that is thoroughly tested, that has found all (most) of the loopholes and flaws and addressed them. We need them to have confidence that we've put a lot of thought and effort into this and that our only intention is to improve the online racing experience for anyone that wants to be involved. Above all, we need to set an example for the entire community to follow so new leagues and clubs have a proven foundation to build off of and a set of standard to refer to. I can see where Wardez's plan is headed and it will be very solid, simple and organized as long as we put in a little effort up front. In fact, I can hear the gears in his head grinding from here and he's about 1,500 miles away. Lol

 

[CAM]

Hahaha yeah you're right!

 

[IforceV8]

Tire wear off? Your are running these tests online but w/o tire wear?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Tire wear can effect the time. (Results may vary) So why have it on?

 

[CAM]

The races will have tire wear, but these tests are just to determine driving skill and consistency so it isn't needed.

 

[turbonutter69]

But with tyre wear off then it's all the laps on fresh tyre's. What happens if someone can't drive on part worn tyre's an takes everyone off? I think tyre wear should be on and the average to from that. Even with it on there shouldn't be much wear with so little laps anyway.

 

[IforceV8]

You might as well use the games own license tests or the WRS test then because running online w/o tire wear is like using skid recovery-not real.

 

[CAM]

It's four laps, its not that big of a deal, as turbonutter said. But we're trying to test for consistency, and having tire wear on would somewhat smear those numbers.

 

[IforceV8]

If you cant run 4 consistent laps with tire wear then you have no business in this forum.The arcade racing section is 2 floors up from here.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Seriously dude? You can't use SRF as an example! That's way to unrealistic compared this. Let's say this, does GT5's license tests use tire wear? I don't think so.

 

[CAM]

We're trying to test for consistency.

If you cant run 4 consistent laps with tire wear then you have no business in this forum.The arcade racing section is 2 floors up from here.

What part of my statement did you not understand? There's no need to start flaming us, we have reasons for our ideas, and we are quite polite in this thread. Do you have anything else to contribute or would you like to continue trying to ram your point down my throat?

 

[JLawrence]

I have been running everything just like this:

Tire Wear On
Damage Off (Unnecessary, if you hit a wall that hard you lost anyways)
Penalties Off (Mostly cause I don't remember to set them, and also because they're unnecessary. The test will be monitored and any cutting will be an automatic DQ)
All Aids Off
Track Edge Real


Tire wear is necessary, especially on a car like the Cobra where most people kill the tires in two or three laps. It doesn't smear averages. In fact it adds another element to it. Try the Cobra thing again, but with my settings. You should find it a little harder.

 

[kk20]

Daamn..I wanted to make the 1000th post...

 

[Wardez]

(at work now, switched to phone)
Thanks for the kind words Stig, my mind's grindin' and groping right now yes you remote viewer you
also a quick note to address regarding the minimum driver participation in order for a race win to count toward A class licenses: it's cars total so it would include the other class cars but that wouldn't be fair if it's one lower class car against 7 other, higher, class cars or vice-versa. So we'll indeed need to include a special rule for mixed class series. Off hand I'll just say we should require more than 3 other cars in your class to finish?
And @ iforce
There's a few good reasons to have tire wear off.
But the model came down from a now defunct racing series, ISC, that was started by the two of the absolute fastest GT drivers in the world, Tony and The_Outlaw/GTP_Timeattack.
They used it for their entrance exam for their series. 7 laps at GVS with tire wear off. Best lap counted. Worked very well for gauging performance more easily.

But like other people said, we're going for consistency so adapted the model into your total time over 4 laps instead of your best lap. It's still not fixed because we're testing though of course so feel free to give more input and suggestions.

Tire wear being off doesn't fundamentally change the physics, just the tire model, which isn't too deep in the first place. Speaking of WRS, they do all their work in offline practice correct? No tire wear there.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Oh.. oops, sorry I did. Or 1000th reply goes to CAM. Oh wow. Over 1000 posts in this little topic. Amazing guys. 👍

Onto business,
Sorry to take away the attention of the licenses but how's my series doing? Tier wise? I never did get a badge. Sorry if I'm being pushy.

Onto licenses,
I'm going to see if I can get on and do some laps myself. Drove the SLS earlier and was kinda shocked at how uncontrollable it was. After driving an A4 around on RHs.

 

[JLawrence]

I will be opening another lobby in about a half hour for those interested to run these combos again and explore others.

 

[Wardez]

If you cant run 4 consistent laps with tire wear then you have no business in this forum.The arcade racing section is 2 floors up from here.

That's just being elitist. No need for that.

I have never run a race without tire wear on. This is a made up license test, not a race or challenge. It's not designed to look for what you think it is.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I will be opening another lobby in about a half hour for those interested to run these combos again and explore others.

I'm in for this. Open? Track? Friend request needed? Might not be on though.

 

[JLawrence]

Open, but it'd prolly be easier to find if you added me.

And Wardez, I still think that tire wear is part of the challenge, especially for the tail happy cars.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Which one?

Would the SLS be considered "tail happy?" It seems to vary whenever I drive it.

 

[JLawrence]

The SLS can be if you are a throttle whore, and the Cobra is without a doubt. A couple of the guys I was testing with last night we're complaining about having lost grip by the time they were getting to their 4th timed lap.

 

[CAM]

According to what I saw earlier, that'd be a big 10-4 good buddy. It was jumpier than the Cobra to me. I was under the target time with the Cobra, and 2 seconds over with the SLS.

 

[BrandonW77]

Has anybody thought about creating custom tracks to use in the license tests? We could build certain tracks to test varying aspects of different vehicles or race situations, like sweeping turns, tight kinks, heavy braking and drafting. And maybe an official custom race track that we can have training races and I. D. E. A. races on, kinda like the Skip Barber track. 👍

EDIT: I think some are missing the point of tire wear off, it's not to test your average of 4 laps under varying conditions. It's supposed to give you 4 laps under ideal and equal conditions (golden laps) so we can test knowledge and execution in a controlled environment. It's not to test speed and racecraft.

 

[JLawrence]

Were you under with tire wear off? That makes a huge difference.
And I am going to try again tonight with RH tires.

Has anybody thought about creating custom tracks to use in the license tests? We could build certain tracks to test varying aspects of different vehicles or race situations, like sweeping turns, tight kinks, heavy braking and drafting. And maybe an official custom race track that we can have training races and I. D. E. A. races on, kinda like the Skip Barber track. 👍

I don't think we're that organized yet, but that isn't a bad idea.

 

[Downhill Dino]

@StigsHero: Nurbrurgring then?

 

[CAM]

I think you guys are missing the point with the tire wear debate. The point of the test isn't really to see if you can run 4 laps consistently under varying circumstances, it's to give your 4 chances under ideal and equal conditions. It's more about testing knowledge and execution in a controlled environment, not about testing speed and racecraft in the real world.

Has anybody thought about creating custom tracks to use in the license tests? We could build certain tracks to test varying aspects of different vehicles or race situations, like sweeping turns, tight kinks, heavy braking and drafting. And maybe an official custom race track that we can have training races and I. D. E. A. races on, kinda like the Skip Barber track. 👍

That is a fantastic idea! Good job bro!

And yes, I was JL.

 

[BrandonW77]

@StigsHero: Nurbrurgring then?

What do you mean?

 

[Downhill Dino]

Doesn't Nurburgring have all those types of corners and such you had said?

 

[Wardez]

I'm thinking of increasing the number of laps in the test to 8. The only reason we can do a set number of laps for all tests is because tire wear's off. If we elect to have it on then we'll need to change the number of laps from test to test because of ar differences.

 

[JLawrence]

8 is too long. Most people will lose interest after 5