GTP_Registry Discussion Thread

[EDK]

I think "petulant infant" is a little strong seeing as I've explained why I think it's a strange combination (the CS tyres that cause the most unintuitive handling, on a track that requires handling more than anything). What would happen if I started throwing around those sorts of insults based on one post?

I'm not going to sandbag, I'm going to give it the best effort I can. But when you are red-slipping, or close to it, and increasing wheel-angle continues to provide grip (so you are effectively driving "through" front tyres that are almost perpendicular to the curve).. that's not driving. That's leveraging bizarre physics.

Certainly, the less I enjoy something the less I am inclined to continue pursuing it. Being forced to do so is going to feel like work and that's not what I'm here for. In a normal WRC weekly I can just sit out the daft combinations and wait for the next one. Unfortunately that isn't the case here; indeed it's a hurdle to doing something that I enjoy rather than being something that I enjoy.

It's designed to create an optimum spread across driver abilities. Comfort tires do that. It's a bit of a microcosm, but here's an example.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/137/

And another.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/1/

On the other hand, sports tires on less technical tracks do the opposite.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/23/

As long as you will give it your best effort, we are fine. Understand that some of the physics are not necessarily perfectly modeled, but the result will still be what we intend - optimum spread.

 

[WRP001]

I think "petulant infant" is a little strong seeing as I've explained why I think it's a strange combination (the CS tyres that cause the most unintuitive handling, on a track that requires handling more than anything). What would happen if I started throwing around those sorts of insults based on one post?

I'm not going to sandbag, I'm going to give it the best effort I can. But when you are red-slipping, or close to it, and increasing wheel-angle continues to provide grip (so you are effectively driving "through" front tyres that are almost perpendicular to the curve).. that's not driving. That's leveraging bizarre physics. My problem is the tyres. They're wrong, simple as that.

Certainly, the less I enjoy something the less I am inclined to continue pursuing it. Being forced to do so is going to feel like work and that's not what I'm here for. In a normal WRS I can just sit out the daft combinations and wait for the next one. Unfortunately that isn't the case here; indeed it's a hurdle to doing something that I enjoy rather than being something that I enjoy.

I thought petulant and infant were perfect descriptors. Simple as that.

 

[DrTrouserPlank]

It's designed to create an optimum spread across driver abilities. Comfort tires do that. It's a bit of a microcosm, but here's an example.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/137/

And another.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/1/

On the other hand, sports tires on less technical tracks do the opposite.

http://wrs.gtplanet.net/GT5/results/23/

As long as you will give it your best effort, we are fine. Understand that some of the physics are not necessarily perfectly modeled, but the result will still be what we intend - optimum spread.

OK thanks for explaining.

I thought petulant and infant were perfect descriptors. Simple as that.

You may, I don't. Such is life.

 

[mohitraina91]

I think the labels such as "petulant" and "infant" are unnecessary, but @DrTrouserPlank, do you think qualifying down in a lower division would be fair to those drivers who are actually in there? D1 Silver means you've shown your pace before, and it just wouldn't be right for the lower division drivers to be competing with you.

You have 3 more weeks, spend half an hour a day learning how to drive the car. 265 HP at the front wheels is a bit too much, and I think GT does a fine job portraying it. Slow down, learn the behaviour of the car, and improve. If you put in a few hours and that still ends you being put in D2, that's OK. But if you don't want to put that effort and commitment, I'd recommend you not submit at all.

 

[Eggstor]

...265 HP at the front wheels is a bit too much, and I think GT does a fine job portraying it. Slow down, learn the behaviour of the car, and improve....

A bit too much? Probably, just like my nephew's 2009 Chevy Cobalt SS and its 260 through the front wheels. Step on the gas mid-turn in that and the steering wheel goes straight even with traction control.

 

[noshog]

Well I started on Willow last night and first thoughts were this is impossible Started to put some laps together in the end, but that last section is still a real pain in the 🤬
After 2 years of iRacing I feel like a rookie again, but hope I can regain my form to at least get back my D2 placement from GT5.
Looking forward to see where everyone ends up...Good luck and Merry Christmas to everyone too

 

[LittlePaul78]

Slower is faster... The key especially in cars such as the Renault is to be slow in and fast out, brake before steering, and power on exit. Polyphony illustrates this perfectly in GT6.

 

[Ali]

I'm constantly improving on willow, i had 3 nice laps on brands and now i can't beat that, i need to work on turn one that's for sure.

You're not the only one struggling . I've only done 2 clean laps so far, I'm absolutely hopeless on Brands Hatch. Hopefully that will change in a few days though 👍

 

[Stotty]

265 HP at the front wheels is a bit too much, and I think GT does a fine job portraying it.

Slower is faster... The key especially in cars such as the Renault is to be slow in and fast out, brake before steering, and power on exit. Polyphony illustrates this perfectly in GT6.

I understand why Kev's chosen this combo, but the handling of the Megane RS is nothing like realistic, as is the handling of all FWD cars in GT games.

GT doesn't model weight transfer in FWD cars at all...

1. When the car is at its lateral grip limit and the suspension is full loaded, you should be able to adjust the balance by easing off the throttle or braking.
2. On corner entries, you should be able to bring the rear of the car round whilst trail braking in to the apex.

In addition, the Megane has a LSD, and it should help pull the nose in to the corner when on the power.

In real life, you don't drive cars like this 'slow in, fast out', you trail brake them deep in to the apex, nailing the nose to the line and bringing the rear in to play to point the car in to the corner... then you get on the gas before the apex and let the diff pull the car round.

FWD physics are FUBAR.

 

[ME71]

if we are unsure about a lap being legal would it be safe to post a photo (making sure no splits and times are shown) of where we think we may or may not be in the rules? I only say this as the rules to me dont fully explain some grey areas.

By this i mean, is it legal to have two wheels on the track and two wheels off? i know the curb and white lines are the boundaries, but there is only a photo of the car having two wheels off when a white line is shown. Sorry for my newb question

 

[mohitraina91]

if we are unsure about a lap being legal would it be safe to post a photo (making sure no splits and times are shown) of where we think we may or may not be in the rules? I only say this as the rules to me dont fully explain some grey areas.

By this i mean, is it legal to have two wheels on the track and two wheels off? i know the curb and white lines are the boundaries, but there is only a photo of the car having two wheels off when a white line is shown. Sorry for my newb question

Two wheels on and two wheels off is OK.

If two wheels are off and two wheels are on white line with partial tire on tarmac, that's OK.

If two wheels are off and two wheels are fully on white line, then it's not OK.

Kerbs are also track, you treat them like tarmac.

GT doesn't model weight transfer in FWD cars at all...

1. When the car is at its lateral grip limit and the suspension is full loaded, you should be able to adjust the balance by easing off the throttle or braking.
2. On corner entries, you should be able to bring the rear of the car round whilst trail braking in to the apex.

In addition, the Megane has a LSD, and it should help pull the nose in to the corner when on the power.

To be fair, I am able to bring the tail out on some lighter FF cars while cornering. Maybe it's this specific car, and cars similar to this, with it's extra front-heavy weight distribution.

Agree about the LSD. The Focus has similar issues on putting the power down and I know that car has an LSD too. I feel PD just hasn't modeled LSD on cars, FWD or RWD, unless you slap the part on.

 

[ME71]

Two wheels on and two wheels off is OK.

If two wheels are off and two wheels are on white line with partial tire on tarmac, that's OK.

If two wheels are off and two wheels are fully on white line, then it's not OK.

Kerbs are also track, you treat them like tarmac.

ok so does that mean you can have two wheels off two wheels on, im only asking so much because you can make a huge amount of time on one of these tracks by fully understanding this rule.

 

[mohitraina91]

ok so does that mean you can have two wheels off two wheels on, im only asking so much because you can make a huge amount of time on one of these tracks by fully understanding this rule.

Yes you can.

Just remember to set Off Track Grip = REAL in the course settings.

 

[Jump_Ace]

ok so does that mean you can have two wheels off two wheels on, im only asking so much because you can make a huge amount of time on one of these tracks by fully understanding this rule.

Yes, you can have two wheels off and two wheels on. However, be certain to re-read the qualifier specs and pictures to see what is legal and what is not. The moment a 3rd tire is off the track, it's dirty. So when checking your replay I'd highly recommend you take advantage of the replay's FF, Pause and Rewind and look at the questionable section multiple times and from different angles (front, back 45 degrees, etc.) For me personally, if it's somewhat close I just fore-go it all together and start again. If I can do it once, I can do it again. Or if not, learn how I did it right. GL!

Jerome

 

[ME71]

Agree Jerome, im on track the whole time in my lap, i havent dropped one wheel.

 

[EDK]

if we are unsure about a lap being legal would it be safe to post a photo (making sure no splits and times are shown) of where we think we may or may not be in the rules? I only say this as the rules to me dont fully explain some grey areas.

By this i mean, is it legal to have two wheels on the track and two wheels off? i know the curb and white lines are the boundaries, but there is only a photo of the car having two wheels off when a white line is shown. Sorry for my newb question

Yes, you can post a photo or 2. Or feel free to send them in a private conversation.

 

[RalliArt/////]

When I save my best lap replay my Gran Turismo name (..firstmivec) is saved to the replay & not my PSN ID (GTP_firstmivec), even though I'm signed in & playing on version 1.02.

 

[EDK]

When I save my best lap replay my Gran Turismo name (..firstmivec) is saved to the replay & not my PSN ID (GTP_firstmivec), even though I'm signed in & playing on version 1.02.

That's one of the key reasons we are no longer requiring the tag. The visibility of the PSN ID is inconsistent.

Your PSN ID is imbedded in the replay, and we'll be cross checking it using the actual replay file.

 

[ConRollins]

Breaking boundary rules on the final corner of the lap prior to your best lap is strictly forbidden.

There you go Bandit, just submit your time from a run where you only run the first lap. Then you can go way outside the cones to get that precious 10mph at the line. You won't have a lap prior to it so it should be legal.

In all honesty, I found that trick right away but decided against it as I think everyone should. Think about it: I'm a Division 2 driver (probably Division 4 when all of this is said and done). Gaining an advantage of .5 to 1 second on that lap might put me in a division 1 or 2 levels above my real ability. While at first thought it might be gratifying to be ranked up amongst the faster guys like you, but getting beat every week by guys 1 to 2 divisions below me doesn't sound very appetizing.


The whole purpose of this is to rank guys with the same abilities in the same group so they can compete with each other and have a challenging event.

A while ago I made a comment about putting my 2 minutes in on these qualifiers and was duly called out on it by Lucas. I was really getting frustrated because there were several division3 and division 2 guys (you know who you are) that obviously didn't put much effort into the qualifier and then stank up the events by consistently finishing far above their division. Don't know if they really thought it was fun winning like that, but I wouldn't get much joy beating guys that I knew I was much better than but qualified with less than a bonafide effort.

Enough ranting, got to go finish my 4 minutes on the qualifier.

 

[Speedy6543]

When I save my best lap replay my Gran Turismo name (..firstmivec) is saved to the replay & not my PSN ID (GTP_firstmivec), even though I'm signed in & playing on version 1.02.

Normally when the replay is loading you should see both, in-game name and PSN

 

[Need4Speed685]

Does anyone know when submissions are open? Because I sent mine to WRSFetchBot and told me registration is closed and that it was done to set everything up for GT6. Help? (I'm new to WRS BTW)

 

[Speedy6543]

Does anyone know when submissions are open? Because I sent mine to WRSFetchBot and told me registration is closed and that it was done to set everything up for GT6. Help? (I'm new to WRS BTW)

Final touches are still being made to the Fetchbot. We'll post something when it's open to submit.
In a meantime you can try and go beat your time.

 

[Need4Speed685]

Final touches are still being made to the Fetchbot. We'll post something when it's open to submit.
In a meantime you can try and go beat your time.

Thanks Speedy! I'm happy with my times and have checked them very carefully to make sure they're clean laps while I was in the progress of setting my times.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Just spent about 20 min with the G27 and man, once you get used to load based braking there ain't no goin' back! I'll wait for my GT Eye to arrive before I give these another shot. Man I love this BMW and Brands Hatch combo I guess I will have to attend Christmas service after all


Jerome

 

[millross]

I don't get the megane bashing, it responds nicely to gentle throttle and you can maintain great momentum if you control your inputs precisely. Really enjoying the challenge. If your foot is made of enriched uranium, you may struggle.

The BMW is just standard fayre IMHO. Point and shoot on grippy tyres. It's fun, but pretty straightforward. There's more time to gain and subtlety to be had on plastic tyres from Lidl 👍

Edit: been out on the strong stuff again, but not enough to type 'sleeee' this time.

 

[GTPorsche]

Got a start on the Megane since I had 30 minutes to kill and Streets is the track I know none about. After 10 laps and saving the initial best lap, I realized I hadn't changed the grip level.

Got it set properly and gave it another 5 laps, which went better than I had expected. Not close to done with that half of the combo, but once I feel I've hit my limit, I'll move on to the BMW.

 

[BanditKarter22]

I don't get the megane bashing, it responds nicely to gentle throttle and you can maintain great momentum if you control your inputs precisely. Really enjoying the challenge. If your foot is made of enriched uranium, you may struggle.

The BMW is just standard fayre IMHO. Point and shoot on grippy tyres. It's fun, but pretty straightforward. There's more time to gain and subtlety to be had on plastic tyres from Lidl 👍

Edit: been out on the strong stuff again, but not enough to type 'sleeee' this time.

Agreed! The Megane is actually quite enjoyable, and the car responds will to delicate control. The BMW I've still only done 5 laps in total, but hopefully won't be too bad!

 

[ConRollins]

Got a start on the Megane since I had 30 minutes to kill and Streets is the track I know none about. After 10 laps and saving the initial best lap, I realized I hadn't changed the grip level.

Got it set properly and gave it another 5 laps, which went better than I had expected. Not close to done with that half of the combo, but once I feel I've hit my limit, I'll move on to the BMW.

Uh, what do mean "change the grip level"?

 

[rickyGman11]

For my Country Canada, do I put 'Canada' or 'CAN' ?

 

[Doodle]

Uh, what do mean "change the grip level"?

He means he left the 'Grip Reduction' on low, rather than real.