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@EDK I've tried to submit a registration but get this message back:

GTP_WRS Registration FAILED

You are already registered with WRS.

Feel free to compete.

:gtplanet: OLR Team
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I was previously a member of the registry in GT5 with my GTP_FordMKIVJ5 PSN, however I haven't played GT6 with that so would like to used my main account (PSN: marunda). I don't know if that's what is causing the problem or if I'm just being dense, but I've linked you into the conversation. Thanks in advance.
 
Your registration has been ACCEPTED you can now enter any WRS event.

:gtplanet: OLR Team


Hi!
I did send my replay yesterday and that was the answer. Can I start competing in online races, or do I have to do 3 time trails and wait for my handicap? Or is it possible to redo week 25 + 26 time trails to have 3 replays at once?
I'm new here and really looking forward to participate in clean races!
Just started doing the week 27 time trail. Seems great fun!
Thanks!
 
FordMKIVJ5
@EDK I've tried to submit a registration but get this message back:



I was previously a member of the registry in GT5 with my GTP_FordMKIVJ5 PSN, however I haven't played GT6 with that so would like to used my main account (PSN: marunda). I don't know if that's what is causing the problem or if I'm just being dense, but I've linked you into the conversation. Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for letting us know about your issue. Have reported this to our FetchBot expert, we'll work on it and let you know when we have things sorted out for you.

Meister Fetz
Your registration has been ACCEPTED you can now enter any WRS event.

:gtplanet: OLR Team


Hi!
I did send my replay yesterday and that was the answer. Can I start competing in online races, or do I have to do 3 time trails and wait for my handicap? Or is it possible to redo week 25 + 26 time trails to have 3 replays at once?
I'm new here and really looking forward to participate in clean races!
Just started doing the week 27 time trail. Seems great fun!
Thanks!
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You are welcome to begin participating in online events right away. You'll just need to complete the Online Driver Database Entry Form. That is processed manually by one of our race admins. If you want to participate in today's event, please complete that form and post in the race thread, letting them know.

You'll need to complete 3 TT's that the deadline has not expired for in order to receive your initial handicap. Even if your main interest is online events, we encourage you to complete those, so that your division placement can be accurately reflected in the results for the online events. If you plan to participate in our weekly races, they are almost always based on the TT, so running the TT is good practice anyhow.

Division placement/Handicap also occasionally comes into play for qualifying or room splits in online events, so it would be really good for you to have one. Example was our recent event at Nurb 24H. We don't run a qualifier for that, it would take half the time that the online race takes! Grid starting position was based solely on handicap.
 
Given that the qualification system has now changed and the old qualifier has been rendered obsolete will the times from the first system be made public early :)
 
manumanu19
Given that the qualification system has now changed and the old qualifier has been rendered obsolete will the times from the first system be made public early :)
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Yes, this is stated somewhere on the forum - saw it a few days back, can't remember where!
 
Question, I'm doing the quailifier for WRS on my GTP_LLOYDZ account. But what if I just want to go back to my LLOYDZ_ELITE69 account. Will I have to do start the process again or is there a way to just change your registered name on here for WRS
 
Do I just register my LLOYDZ_ELITE69 account and do my final remaining TT on that? Or what other process is there.
 
I know this may been said many times before here on in private, But isnt this new way of qualifying quite unfair? For when I done the qualifier I was completely comfortable in the BMW and loved it and felt like I done rather well, Whereas I am normally very sub-standard with FWD cars, So I was absolutely horrible with the megane and completely hated it, I just think that people can now pick and choose which combo they want to register in. Isn't that kinda against the spirit of how the whole thing was arranged?

I just find the way "rookies" now could in theory wait for a combo that suits them for each of their 3 time trial entries completely unfair against the already registered members who had to spend a lot of time (or at least I did) trying to nail a lap with 2 cars/tracks at complete different ends of the spectrum, One I was comfortable with and performed around what I would say was my level, And one which I was completely uncomfortable with, I was forced to learn it and in the end I didnt feel I was up to the same standard as I could have been, I thought the whole point of having 2 separate parts of the qualifier was for that very reason, And obviously so its a completely even playing field because everyone is doing the same thing.

I just saw someone's post (most likely EDK) about how since the qualifier is now "obsolete" so to speak, That the lap times will in the short future be posted, So doesnt that make everyone's division placement practically obsolete?
I just feel that people will be posting different division placements that they would normally simply because they can wait until what suits them, So at least some of them will be posting better divisional times simply because they are sticking to what works for them.

To conclude my post I would like to add that I completely respect and 100% appreciate what the moderators of this section do and I recognize that there were not many options available after PD sprung this on you guys, But I suppose I just felt like I underperformed due to the combo that the qualifier required, I still did it as the spirit of WRS is improvement in all areas possible, It just frustrates me slightly that the new members have are not tethered to some kind of restriction, I hope none of you see me as being bitter, I just would like to offer my opinion on it. But nevertheless, I think you guys are doing a great job, And I hope to get some time to run a few combos at some point and I wish good luck to those who are currently trying for a division placement
 
R35 SKYLIN3
I know this may been said many times before here on in private, But isnt this new way of qualifying quite unfair? For when I done the qualifier I was completely comfortable in the BMW and loved it and felt like I done rather well, Whereas I am normally very sub-standard with FWD cars, So I was absolutely horrible with the megane and completely hated it, I just think that people can now pick and choose which combo they want to register in. Isn't that kinda against the spirit of how the whole thing was arranged?

I just find the way "rookies" now could in theory wait for a combo that suits them for each of their 3 time trial entries completely unfair against the already registered members who had to spend a lot of time (or at least I did) trying to nail a lap with 2 cars/tracks at complete different ends of the spectrum, One I was comfortable with and performed around what I would say was my level, And one which I was completely uncomfortable with, I was forced to learn it and in the end I didnt feel I was up to the same standard as I could have been, I thought the whole point of having 2 separate parts of the qualifier was for that very reason, And obviously so its a completely even playing field because everyone is doing the same thing.

I just saw someone's post (most likely EDK) about how since the qualifier is now "obsolete" so to speak, That the lap times will in the short future be posted, So doesnt that make everyone's division placement practically obsolete?
I just feel that people will be posting different division placements that they would normally simply because they can wait until what suits them, So at least some of them will be posting better divisional times simply because they are sticking to what works for them.

To conclude my post I would like to add that I completely respect and 100% appreciate what the moderators of this section do and I recognize that there were not many options available after PD sprung this on you guys, But I suppose I just felt like I underperformed due to the combo that the qualifier required, I still did it as the spirit of WRS is improvement in all areas possible, It just frustrates me slightly that the new members have are not tethered to some kind of restriction, I hope none of you see me as being bitter, I just would like to offer my opinion on it. But nevertheless, I think you guys are doing a great job, And I hope to get some time to run a few combos at some point and I wish good luck to those who are currently trying for a division placement
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So far it seems like people are happy to run what's put in front of them, so good job giving them an idea of how to cheat. :sly:

Seriously now, it occured to both of us, so it'll surely come to those running for qualification. That means the admins likely have a plan for that situation, though, which I'd guess will simply be a judgement call. And don't underestimate human honesty, I ran a CS tyres combo for my third submission that made me eligible for promotion, just so I had grounds to protest it. :lol:
 
R35 SKYLIN3
I know this may been said many times before here on in private, But isnt this new way of qualifying quite unfair? For when I done the qualifier I was completely comfortable in the BMW and loved it and felt like I done rather well, Whereas I am normally very sub-standard with FWD cars, So I was absolutely horrible with the megane and completely hated it, I just think that people can now pick and choose which combo they want to register in. Isn't that kinda against the spirit of how the whole thing was arranged?

I just find the way "rookies" now could in theory wait for a combo that suits them for each of their 3 time trial entries completely unfair against the already registered members who had to spend a lot of time (or at least I did) trying to nail a lap with 2 cars/tracks at complete different ends of the spectrum, One I was comfortable with and performed around what I would say was my level, And one which I was completely uncomfortable with, I was forced to learn it and in the end I didnt feel I was up to the same standard as I could have been, I thought the whole point of having 2 separate parts of the qualifier was for that very reason, And obviously so its a completely even playing field because everyone is doing the same thing.

I just saw someone's post (most likely EDK) about how since the qualifier is now "obsolete" so to speak, That the lap times will in the short future be posted, So doesnt that make everyone's division placement practically obsolete?
I just feel that people will be posting different division placements that they would normally simply because they can wait until what suits them, So at least some of them will be posting better divisional times simply because they are sticking to what works for them.

To conclude my post I would like to add that I completely respect and 100% appreciate what the moderators of this section do and I recognize that there were not many options available after PD sprung this on you guys, But I suppose I just felt like I underperformed due to the combo that the qualifier required, I still did it as the spirit of WRS is improvement in all areas possible, It just frustrates me slightly that the new members have are not tethered to some kind of restriction, I hope none of you see me as being bitter, I just would like to offer my opinion on it. But nevertheless, I think you guys are doing a great job, And I hope to get some time to run a few combos at some point and I wish good luck to those who are currently trying for a division placement
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It doesn't make a difference what your time is. What the car is. Or even what the track it. The submission is only to verify your Playstation account.

Someone "cheating" by either sandbagging or overachieving doesn't really matter. They will eventually get moved up to an appropriate division or be last in the one they're in.

If someone "qualifies" at D3 and suddenly starts running D1 times, that just makes them look bad. They'd quickly be moved up and would, generally, be questioned by everyone here. Probably not a good idea in the long haul for one's WRS community standing.

If the reverse of this scenario is the case, then the culprit is just plain dumb.

Either way, there's no reason at all to fret over it.
 
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crowhop
It doesn't make a difference what your time is. What the car is. Or even what the track it. The submission is only to verify your Playstation account.
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Im not sure if you missed the point of my post, The "issue" I had was not with how people were registered, It is how the division placement is calculated compared with how it was before
 
R35 SKYLIN3
I know this may been said many times before here on in private, But isnt this new way of qualifying quite unfair? For when I done the qualifier I was completely comfortable in the BMW and loved it and felt like I done rather well, Whereas I am normally very sub-standard with FWD cars, So I was absolutely horrible with the megane and completely hated it, I just think that people can now pick and choose which combo they want to register in. Isn't that kinda against the spirit of how the whole thing was arranged?

I just find the way "rookies" now could in theory wait for a combo that suits them for each of their 3 time trial entries completely unfair against the already registered members who had to spend a lot of time (or at least I did) trying to nail a lap with 2 cars/tracks at complete different ends of the spectrum, One I was comfortable with and performed around what I would say was my level, And one which I was completely uncomfortable with, I was forced to learn it and in the end I didnt feel I was up to the same standard as I could have been, I thought the whole point of having 2 separate parts of the qualifier was for that very reason, And obviously so its a completely even playing field because everyone is doing the same thing.

I just saw someone's post (most likely EDK) about how since the qualifier is now "obsolete" so to speak, That the lap times will in the short future be posted, So doesnt that make everyone's division placement practically obsolete?
I just feel that people will be posting different division placements that they would normally simply because they can wait until what suits them, So at least some of them will be posting better divisional times simply because they are sticking to what works for them.

To conclude my post I would like to add that I completely respect and 100% appreciate what the moderators of this section do and I recognize that there were not many options available after PD sprung this on you guys, But I suppose I just felt like I underperformed due to the combo that the qualifier required, I still did it as the spirit of WRS is improvement in all areas possible, It just frustrates me slightly that the new members have are not tethered to some kind of restriction, I hope none of you see me as being bitter, I just would like to offer my opinion on it. But nevertheless, I think you guys are doing a great job, And I hope to get some time to run a few combos at some point and I wish good luck to those who are currently trying for a division placement
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Like you, I had a proper go at the original qualifier and was accordingly put in the correct division. I understand the point you are making, but conversely there were people that sandbagged the original qualifier and then over-achieved in their first few TTs and spoilt it for those that were correctly placed? I guess the point in making is that any type of qualification is open to "interpretation". The new system allows people to be placed dependent on their real performance in the weekly events, and not by how much effort they went to with the original qualifier. I believe that people will find their home quicker this way...

Just my $0.02...
 
crowhop
...If someone "qualifies" at D3 and suddenly starts running D1 times, that just makes them look bad. They'd quickly be moved up and would, generally, be questioned by everyone here...

If the reverse of this scenario is the case, then the culprit is just plain dumb.
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Well I don't know that I'd necessarily call the culprit dumb. ;) I suppose that'd be a fair assessment for someone who's primary goal was to win on handicapped results, but I'm more interested in a handicap as a longer term measure of improvement so I'm happy to set the bar as high as I can initially.

Coincidentally enough, my top two favorite tracks are Mazda and Suzuka. Certainly that could have some affect on my initial placement. I can see how someone who qualified via the old process would think it a bit unfair that (coincidentally) I'm qualifying in my comfort zone. But if I wind up qualifying D2 Bronze instead of D3 Gold, does that really negatively impact anybody in either of those divisions? I don't see how.

At any rate I'm running the first three TTs and I would have done the same had they been in other cars and on other tracks. No sandbagging for me.
 
R35 SKYLIN3
I know this may been said many times before here on in private, But isnt this new way of qualifying quite unfair? For when I done the qualifier I was completely comfortable in the BMW and loved it and felt like I done rather well, Whereas I am normally very sub-standard with FWD cars, So I was absolutely horrible with the megane and completely hated it, I just think that people can now pick and choose which combo they want to register in. Isn't that kinda against the spirit of how the whole thing was arranged?

I just find the way "rookies" now could in theory wait for a combo that suits them for each of their 3 time trial entries completely unfair against the already registered members who had to spend a lot of time (or at least I did) trying to nail a lap with 2 cars/tracks at complete different ends of the spectrum, One I was comfortable with and performed around what I would say was my level, And one which I was completely uncomfortable with, I was forced to learn it and in the end I didnt feel I was up to the same standard as I could have been, I thought the whole point of having 2 separate parts of the qualifier was for that very reason, And obviously so its a completely even playing field because everyone is doing the same thing.

I just saw someone's post (most likely EDK) about how since the qualifier is now "obsolete" so to speak, That the lap times will in the short future be posted, So doesnt that make everyone's division placement practically obsolete?
I just feel that people will be posting different division placements that they would normally simply because they can wait until what suits them, So at least some of them will be posting better divisional times simply because they are sticking to what works for them.

To conclude my post I would like to add that I completely respect and 100% appreciate what the moderators of this section do and I recognize that there were not many options available after PD sprung this on you guys, But I suppose I just felt like I underperformed due to the combo that the qualifier required, I still did it as the spirit of WRS is improvement in all areas possible, It just frustrates me slightly that the new members have are not tethered to some kind of restriction, I hope none of you see me as being bitter, I just would like to offer my opinion on it. But nevertheless, I think you guys are doing a great job, And I hope to get some time to run a few combos at some point and I wish good luck to those who are currently trying for a division placement
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I suppose it's "unfair" if you are simply using our qualifier and series as a benchmarking system, to see how you compare to other drivers, but are not interested in competing.

In that scenario, a driver could do as you say, pick 3 events that suit them and qualify as high as possible. And then never run another event again, but walk off with their handicap to put in their signature, or use in another series, whatever the case may be.

The qualifier was intentionally set up to protect against over performance. It's much more discouraging for a driver to find they are stuck where they cannot compete than to find out they were placed lower than they think they should have been. If you participate in our events, your handicap will evolve with your performance, which eventually makes your qualifier performance obsolete anyhow.

So far, the new system has been very good for registration and participation. Certainly, we may see some unintended consequences. But the most positive thing to come of it is that we are not constantly hindered by any update PD makes, having to verify and validate whether the qualifier is impacted, while needing to decide how to adjust the qualifier to suit the current game physics.

We will no longer need to shut down the registry to applications. And if folks who are not yet registry members see an event that interests them, they can begin to participate right away, with very limited barriers to participation.

What you are asking about - How it would affect people's perception of initial handicap based on the outcome of the qualifier - never even entered the discussion when weighing the benefits and drawbacks of the new system. I don't really view it as an issue. If you don't like your handicap/division, participate in some events you like to improve it.
 
alexamenos
Well I don't know that I'd necessarily call the culprit dumb. ;) I suppose that'd be a fair assessment for someone who's primary goal was to win on handicapped results, but I'm more interested in a handicap as a longer term measure of improvement so I'm happy to set the bar as high as I can initially.

Coincidentally enough, my top two favorite tracks are Mazda and Suzuka. Certainly that could have some affect on my initial placement. I can see how someone who qualified via the old process would think it a bit unfair that (coincidentally) I'm qualifying in my comfort zone. But if I wind up qualifying D2 Bronze instead of D3 Gold, does that really negatively impact anybody in either of those divisions? I don't see how.

At any rate I'm running the first three TTs and I would have done the same had they been in other cars and on other tracks. No sandbagging for me.
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If a D3 level driver manipulates the system to qualify D1 with hopes of competing regularly, dumb is precisely what they'd be.
 
Carlos Fandango
Like you, I had a proper go at the original qualifier and was accordingly put in the correct division. I understand the point you are making, but conversely there were people that sandbagged the original qualifier and then over-achieved in their first few TTs and spoilt it for those that were correctly placed? I guess the point in making is that any type of qualification is open to "interpretation". The new system allows people to be placed dependent on their real performance in the weekly events, and not by how much effort they went to with the original qualifier. I believe that people will find their home quicker this way...

Just my $0.02...
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Absolutely - if you run 3 events and compete each time you'll likely never need promotion, you'll land right in the town where your house is.

I welcome the bold change hugely, despite slaving over the qualifier :D

This will give WRS its best chance of gaining new racers, too.

I'd like to suggest tho that now replay checking is much quicker and easier that more replay checks are required - I've not needed one for months and months. Feels like it can give a bit more strength to the validation process and there's room to do so.

Edit: or, make the replay checks more random outside the podium places. Some of us will never get one of those spots :lol:
 
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