GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 13 : An MR around AR on SS's

[mcfizzle]

Sry for my english!!

What is there to apologize for? Your english good.👍 I wish I spoke a foreign language as well as you can(working on German).

 

[millross]

New splits:
T1: 28.183
T2: 33.991

Logging some seat time with Jake today. He always makes me at least a half-second faster!

Nice Chuk, nice. D3 looking tough, lownsey has put in a stellar set of splits.

@Chris - cheers for posting up that vid! 👍

 

[CSLACR]

27.856
33.500

 

[eclipsee]

I wonder if anybody would call lame to any F1 racing driver two years ago when TCS was available, this is a competition so use any advantage available (in the rules) to be as fast as possible, F1 racers use any possible legal advantage and they aren't lame at all.

 

[GTmaniac]

I wasn't calling anyone lame for using aids. I just said that active steering kills the fun in this great car!!👍

New splits:

27.417
33.514
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I paniced at the long left before T2, should have been a much better lap but finish was ok I think!

Off to work now, laters!

 

[eclipsee]

I wasn't talking to you Zoky, I was talking to pyxen.
Read the thread mate, you'll avoid missundertandings. 👍

 

[2smokes]

In my case i got an obutto seat on my birthday because my wife insisted
that if it was something i really want no reason to held back,
"because there is so little time in life to enjoy ourselfs".
I was
Try this aproach 👍

Do you think your wife could talk to my wife?!!!

 

[CSLACR]

Not a fan of aids, but might give it another run, Id rather get my times because I improved, but why not run both ways, right? Id like a 3rd overall

 

[NielsG]

A marginal improvement at T2. A little more at the line:

28.658
34.166

 

[Anghammarad]

27.966
33.988

 

[Apollo33]

I improved by 0.95s in one lap and came here all excited (as usual), to find that I'm still doing average for my division... as usual!

28.123
34.217

 

[A7XMaverick]

new splits

27.754
33.692

 

[Jump_Ace]

Got volleyball to play tonight, but I don't have any plans this weekend Fingers crossed I can sit down with this lovely combo.

Jerome

 

[DDiamond]

@Dan - 👍



Okey dokey:



I missed the apex for turn 1 which cost me 0.1. This is the T1 for my current fastest lap - 27.844

, Chris! I'm sure I will be bumping your YouTube view count up big time before this combo is done!!!

Also, thanks for posting Wes' Week 12 PAL vid! 👍

Great work on the combo, Kevin. 👍

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Man I'm behind the 8 ball this week - struggling to get the time to put any laps down. Managed 3 whole laps last night!!! Anyway, in the spirit of the WRS, here's my current splits for a small improvement. Still bags of time ont he track and hoping to get some seat time tonight

28.687
34.185

 

[Worst_Driver]

First splits.

T1: 28.068
T2: 33.659

 

[BloodiMayhem]

Yeah, I did 1.5 laps with the DS3 and stopped right on the road to switch to the wheel.
Didn't you mention you have one on the way? Umm, are we talking about wheels as if they were ...our children...?

Ya I have one (a wheel that is) on the way.
It is STILL on the way! Damn you logitech!
OK, so after more research last night using the DS3 (obviously) I switched the active steering on and off for a few laps, dont look at my times as what i am about to say will drop in credibility, but i found it alot easier to keep the car straight with it on.
I did notice however that the run also felt like it was less responsive or sluggish and as a result, slower.
This is the long run helped me out because it negates my tendancy to be over zelous with the throttle and made me pay more attention to the lines.
Made NO difference what so ever with the lap times though, probably due to the fact that i was too busy fiddling with the settings to set into a rhythm.

Hats off to DS3 users this week, mark my words I will get off the bottom of the ladder if it kills me, and this week, it just might.

To Chris, mate, i could post a youtube replay of my T1 but i can save you the hassle, mine looks like smoke, lots and lots of smoke.
I have NO IDEA how you managed to keep it so straight, keep the lines and keep the RPM's up, but I will persist til i find out!!

Cheers All !!!

 

[Vagabond]

Nice vid Vagabond, although it would be much better from chase cam!!👍

Thanks Zoky Can't post up chase cam though since it shows my previous best lap-time.... And call me Chris.

, Chris! I'm sure I will be bumping your YouTube view count up big time before this combo is done!!!

Also, thanks for posting Wes' Week 12 PAL vid! 👍

Hehe. thanks Dan - I realise its not alien standard but thought it may help some folks who are looking for a line through T1.

Wes' replay from last week is fantastic to watch aint it?

I have NO IDEA how you managed to keep it so straight, keep the lines and keep the RPM's up, but I will persist til i find out!!

After turn 1 I'm full throttle as soon as I can, staying to the right for a good line through turn 2 (still on full throttle through there.) Reduce throttle to about 75-80% for the switchback section - no brakes through there and keeping the throttle constant with very small precise steering inputs. Slight lift before the last right hander in T1 then full throttle through the apex and up the hill. I'm only braking into turn 1 then not touching the brakes again until the first turn in T2.

Then it all goes pear-shaped... anyone want to offer some hints for T2? I just can't figure it out...

Another miniscule improvement:

T1: 27.815
T2: 33.944

 

[CSLACR]

Whats the youtube t1 time? I just did a 27.666 - and tied it up with enough to gain a tenth at the line, But I can't see a 27.3 hell I cant see a 27.5. -- 27.666 - 33.679 - 1'01.345 I believe. 4/10 ABS 2. it seems AS strong helps everywhere but the left hand 2nd corner of t2. Slows me there about .100 - .150

 

[Vagabond]

T1: 27.709
T2: 33.901

Somebody has glued my T2 in place....

Breakthrough... on my last run for tonight...

T1: 27.758
T2: 33.617

Much happier with that.

 

[Usual Suspect]

Last run of the night

T1: 27.961
T2: 33.810

Really enjoying this week 👍

 

[nebojsa_o]

Man, I'm having a hard time with this car and track. Hard, but super fun, lol.

T1: 0'28.575
T2: 0'34.870

 

[sidplayos2]

BTW: Found out why was I loosing so much time, active steering STRONG is the key....don't like that though, it's not much fun now as it was!👎

I tried this and seems to make me understeer with AS. What I did though is took the tip from Lyvan and set TCS 1 and it's like a completely different beast now. So for me using BB 7/3 , ABS 4 , TCS 1 and AS Off. Try it out, feels good now 👍

Might get another go at this on Friday night.

 

[pyxen]

Nice vid Vagabond, although it would be much better from chase cam!!👍

BTW: Found out why was I loosing so much time, active steering STRONG is the key....don't like that though, it's not much fun now as it was!👎

*sigh* and it begins....

 

[pyxen]

I wonder if anybody would call lame to any F1 racing driver two years ago when TCS was available, this is a competition so use any advantage available (in the rules) to be as fast as possible, F1 racers use any possible legal advantage and they aren't lame at all.

How about MotoGP racing now ? That's getting pretty lame that all they do is rely on TCS and keep the throttle pinned..there's barely (relatively speaking) skill involved anymore! These guys would be buried on the bikes of yesteryear..

I just want to keep the competition about the driver, not the use of aids and technology..

If that's the way the trend will go though, I'm all for giving it a shot, ala Zoky.

I did try it w/ this combo, and switched back to no ASM within 5 laps..I couldn't take how tight everything was. Maybe I'll give it a shot with ASM mild..

 

[redreevos]

I know a lot of people have started weighing in on the Active Steering. It is unfortunate that the conversation had to start with such a strong statement that it was laaaaaame. It is within the rules and I used in in the NASCAR challenge.

I would like to be able to discuss this aid going forward, though. I don't mean to step on any of the organizers or any one else's "toes" with this.

This week I ran about 60 laps with AS off, and the car was an absolute blast. I read on here how the faster guys were improving their times by using this aid. So, I put the AS on strong and ran 10 laps. I don't know how to explain it, except the car felt neutered. The car just feels numb, and doesn't feel like one is driving on the edge. I ran a better time with it on, but the lap just felt boring.

I am hoping we can discuss this for future WRS sessions, because I think it is a problem that this aid might become necessary to compete. If SRF was allowed as well, we would all have to use it to be competitive.

I am torn at this point for this week, because the car is much more enjoyable with the aid off. Unfortunately it is faster with it on.

Another question - Are there many cars in real life that have active steering?

I am wondering if this is a realistic aid. From what I understand of SRF it is an unrealistic aid, and most people don't allow it in gt5 time trials or racing series.

I guess another question, and I apologize if this has been covered elsewhere, but is there any way we can tell if someone used AS? Is this why it needs to be allowed? If it is possible to tell if it has been used or not, I would vote for Active Steering not being allowed in future WRS events.

 

[boshuter]

It looks like I'll get enough time to do some laps this week to actually get a decent enough time to make it worth submitting; at least I hope so.

These are my best splits so far, not my best lap though, I really screwed up in T3.

T1: 28.416
T2: 34.133


Regarding the AS, I find it slows me down by .5s per lap. The car feels much more stable, but for some reason I run much faster with it off. My best laps have been with nothing on but ABS 1. I did set my BB to 7/4, but didn't see any difference from default. Maybe as I get more laps in I'll try AS and TCS again to see if it helps me.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Excellent post Red.

In terms of real life cars, it depends on how you believe AS acts. Many passenger cars now come with EPAS (Electric Power Assisted Steering) which can be tuned to smooth steering inputs, although the main benefit is in fuel consumption as the engine isn't driving the hydraulic pump for traditional PAS systems. The effect obviously has to be subtle as any hysteresis in the system will cause the driver to percieve a lack of "feel". It's been a long time since I did any work on steering systems so I don't know what the current trend is with regards system design specs and attribute setting.

@Tim - "I just want to keep the competition about the driver, not the use of aids and technology.." - an excellent sentiment, but whether we use AS or not, the best drivers usually win, both on GT5 and in the real world. All the aids do is change the time on the clock...

Perhaps a separate topic/thread as it will be applied to future WRS events?

 

[redreevos]

How about MotoGP racing now ? That's getting pretty lame that all they do is rely on TCS and keep the throttle pinned..there's barely (relatively speaking) skill involved anymore! These guys would be buried on the bikes of yesteryear..

Pyxen, I am quite impressed with any race car driver or motorcycle rider that is the fastest in their respective sport. I think it is silly to claim such strong statements about the lameness and lack of skill of these racers. These guys at the top are the fastest racers around because they are fast. The fastest guys always climb to the top no matter what the rules are.

Out of curiosity, do you think the rankings in the WRS would change significantly if SRF was allowed? I don't. I think it would be the exact same "aliens" on top. The rules don't really matter for the results.

I, personally would find the most enjoyment with the least amount of aids allowable. I already use ABS at 1, and would not like to add another aid to the always list. Unfortunately with the way GT5 is designed ABS at 0 is extremely difficult. With AS off, the game is quite playable and a joy to spend time behind the wheel.(but of course this is just my opinion) I use a DFGT for reference.

Excellent post Red.

Mighty kind of you Carlos.

In terms of real life cars, it depends on how you believe AS acts. Many passenger cars now come with EPAS (Electric Power Assisted Steering) which can be tuned to smooth steering inputs, although the main benefit is in fuel consumption as the engine isn't driving the hydraulic pump for traditional PAS systems. The effect obviously has to be subtle as any hysteresis in the system will cause the driver to percieve a lack of "feel". It's been a long time since I did any work on steering systems so I don't know what the current trend is with regards system design specs and attribute setting.

Thank you for the insight Carlos. Is the EPAS the same thing that is available in the wheel settings screen. Where you can turn Power Steering on or off?

Perhaps a separate topic/thread as it will be applied to future WRS events?

This is a good idea. I wasn't sure if it was appropriate to start a thread if it would be perceived as "questioning" the WRS admins. I appreciate everything they do, and don't want them to take my comments the wrong way. I wasn't planning to post so much about this. Sorry if this is a bit de-railing of our current thread for the week.

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Pyxen, sorry if you think I am coming at you unfairly. I think when the word lame starts getting thrown around about our currently allowed rules... people might get the idea that you don't appreciate the series and what the series organizers do for us.

The splits I got earlier with the AS on

T1: 27.611
T2: 33.631

 

[EDK]

The big issue with active steering is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to verify whether or not someone is using it.

I could ban it from future events, but how would we determine whether or not it's being used?

Even TCS and ASM have indicators on the "Dashboard" in the replay.

We've determined some methods of being able to determine use of SRF, and having the qualifier with SRF forced off, along with some events along the way that do the same, we have a good shot at policing that one. (Even without an indicator).