GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 13 : An MR around AR on SS's

[eclipsee]

I just want to keep the competition about the driver, not the use of aids and technology..

If you use the same aids/driving options like me, that by the way they're these ones ...

900 Degree Steering Wheel
Transmission: Manual
Front Tyres: Sports Soft
Rear Tyres: Sporst Soft
Driving Line: Off
TCS: Off
SRF: Off
Active Steering: Strong
ASM: Off
ABS: 1
Grip Reduction: Real
Mechanical Damage: None
Controller Steering Sensitivity: 0
Brake Bias: 5/5

... and all of them as per the rules, you will be in the same leveled playing field as me, so what you'll keep in the competition is about the driver.
I don't care if others use aids or not, I try to optimize what is in my hand to be as fast as possible as this is a competition.

Switching off the active steering (an auto LSD in my opinion) if more fun for sure and there are involved more driving skills but as Kevin stated, there's no way to verify in the replay if somebody used that active steering or not, so that's why it's allowed that active steering, everyone can play with the same round ball, blame PD for not allowing what car aids/specs were used in the replay, you'll find me in Maz's "Gran Turismo 5’s Replay Deficiencies" comments section as well.

... see the first couple of pages from Stotty's post on ride heights etc. (tip: don't read too far into the post, once it was moved to the tuning forum, it went south IMO).

Agree 100%

Unfortunately many of the threads in the tuning section turn into a puffing of chests. It was great to be able to talk about it here, before it went there

Agree 100%

I am not Ramone however and maybe when you're going that fast AS makes more difference to stability. Ramone is not exactly a smooth steerer though - he takes the car by the scruff of the neck and hurls it about wherever he likes. A rare skill most of us can only wonder at.

I'm not Ramone neither, my name is Ramon. 👍

Thanks for your flowers 👍 but I'm smooth mate, not as a geisha but quite smooth, that rare skill you are talking about is the balance between smoothness and aggressiveness and you can get it with practice, with lots of practice, it isn't that rare in the end.

 

[Darkstar_74]

First splits for me. I strongly dislike this car.

28.709
34.593

 

[Gravitron]

I can't get away from Gravitron; he must have a chain hooked to my bumper!!!

Yep, I do! Thanks for the tow!
And that "Thou shalt not pass!" wizard you posted must be working.
If I can break his spell, I'll toss you the chain and tow you some.

Tried AS Strong last night for 5 laps with the DS3 and it was annoying and un-fun. I don't want to get used to that. TCS 1 did help a bit though.
I'll probably only get another 2hrs max before the deadline, it'll be a miracle
to be able to catch bojangles at the top of D4.

 

[Captain Roh]

Hadnt realised till just now how close my first splits were to my limit. I've improved slightly but i'll be lucky to find more than a half second out there..

T1: 27.826
T2: 33.954

 

[mcfizzle]

First Splits with active stability on:
T1: 0'28.500
T2: 0'34.084

While I'm sure active stability helped, the car is more stable, I think I gained more time from changing my line for the first right hander in sector 2 and the sweeper at the end of sector 2. I have ran 28.1xx T1 so I just need to put it all together. Enjoying this combo a lot.

 

[LeftyWright69]

T1: 28.917
T2: 34.500

The cars power is balanced out equally w/ the traction 👍

T1: 28.250
T2: 34.483

 

[millross]

Hey Mcfizz; Do you mean AS or ASM?

Active Stability (ASM) is not the same as Active Steering (AS)

ASM is SERIOUSLY intrusive and really slows you down, IMHO. Active Steering as Ramon put it rather well, is more like a dynamic limited-slip diff.

Active Steering will not make laps simply full throttle all the way round in the same way as SRF does, anyone who thinks that it will should look at the comments from those who have stated that it slows you down, it still requires as much skill and delicate throttle input. What it does do though, it go someway to prevent MASSIVE sliding and huge oversteer, but that is not to say that you can't still get all this to happen with it on the Strong setting - it really is quite a subtle effect. ABS and Brake Balance or RA functions have a significant difference to performance, Active steering has a subtle effect.

I'm going to run a bunch of laps later with and without it using no TCS - I'll aggregate my average lap times in true nerdy fashion and come up with a bit of a comparison

 

[jbrinkley0826]

T1: 28.124
T2: 34.409

good T1 and final, got some work to do on T2 though... I'm not using active steering as It took me a long time to wing myself from using driving aids. The only thing I use is ABS, and I guess I'll just have to settle for middle of the pack, I just enjoy the competition. :-)

 

[poolhaas]

First few laps in.

T1 29.139
T2 34.774

That Golf from last week is still in my system

 

[yanaran]

The Racing Green Metallic one is the quickest Dan 👍

Damnit! I spent all that time in the silver one (well... at least an hour).
New racing green metallic splits:

T1: 28.351
T2: 33.981

T1: 28.155
T2: 33.850

One last session before bed, finally under 28 at T1!

T1: 27.925
T2: 33.828

 

[mcfizzle]

I meant active steering, just a mistake on my part, thanks for noticing that. I have new splits for the board:

T1: 0'28.287
T2: 0'34.153

I've gained four tenths in the third sector today so my laps are looking a lot better.

 

[Vagabond]

I'm not Ramone neither, my name is Ramon. 👍

Ahh crap, sorry mate. Classic mistake...

Thanks for your flowers 👍 but I'm smooth mate, not as a geisha but quite smooth, that rare skill you are talking about is the balance between smoothness and aggressiveness and you can get it with practice, with lots of practice, it isn't that rare in the end.

I wish that were true - I've been practising for about 13 years and can only dream about that last 4 to 7 tenths. Its called the talent wall and some of us can just not climb as high as others. Enjoy your flowers Ramon.

 

[chukabilly]

I'm running the same as I always have, no aids except ABS, though I'm switching between 1 and 3 for that. I haven't really noticed a speed difference between the two, just a subtle influence on entry. These splits were on a setting of 1, which is my psychological comfort zone. I like to measure my performance against myself using as level a platform as possible. Every week is the same settings, just a different combo. It's the same idiot for a driver, too!
Welcome back, mcfizzle!!
It's nice to see Mr. Brinkley is here, too!
Chris, I can remember being addicted to "Andretti Racing" way back in the mid-90's, so I hear you. I'm going to buy a new wheel, though. The DFP I'm using is a few years old and has thousands of hours on it.

New splits.
T1: 28.075
T2: 33.795

I know I'm losing the time in T1 on the entry to the first corner. I'm happy with the sector time, though it's hard to do EVERY time, and I know there's a tenth or two left in my T3. I've got about six hours of seat time so far. Hopefully I'll have the time to put together a stronger lap. D3 is a tough division this week, as usual. Lownsey29 has arrived with a bang!! Don't know if I can touch that T1! 👍
Where's Carlos?

Racing On!

 

[Anghammarad]

28.024
33.783

If I only could get the hang of the first sector.

 

[GTmaniac]

I wasn't talking to you Zoky, I was talking to pyxen.
Read the thread mate, you'll avoid missundertandings. 👍

Sorry mate I was in a bit of a hurry last night so I got it wrong, my bad!

@Chris, you definitly need to buy your self CSP for Fanatec, the best thing about Fanatec is not the wheel itself....it's those pedals. Tried driving with it only once for short amount of time and was amazed with it....compared to G25 that I have at home now for about 6-7 months!👍

Anyway gave it another go today before my night shift:

27.379
33.454
-------

ABS 1
AS Strong
BB 8/7

Seen better splits but this was my best finish so far....hopefully I'll spend some more time on this great combo!

Cyu

 

[DDiamond]

Yep, I do! Thanks for the tow!
And that "Thou shalt not pass!" wizard you posted must be working.
If I can break his spell, I'll toss you the chain and tow you some.

Tried AS Strong last night for 5 laps with the DS3 and it was annoying and un-fun. I don't want to get used to that. TCS 1 did help a bit though.
I'll probably only get another 2hrs max before the deadline, it'll be a miracle
to be able to catch bojangles at the top of D4.

I'm afraid I am very close to my "talent wall," although I have seen .3 better in T2, so I may need that tow. Gonna give it a couple more runs with the green monster, possibly later today or tomorrow.

💡 Maybe we can hitch a ride with NINE_HUNDRED.

 

[NINE_HUNDRED]

Just got a faster T1 by .2xx then a slower T2 by like .3xx but overall a faster lap, left the ghost in the dust by T3.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Hi guys

I just thought I would pop in and say hello to all. I have had a very busy period the last few weeks but am hoping to get back to competing with you guys ASAP.

Be prepared, you will see a changed man that won't be complaining and moaning all the time, hope to be able to compete next week.

Good luck to all people this week, I have been keeping an eye on the leaderboards the last few weeks and see there are people punching above their weight. To mention a couple that stand out ASH and A7Xmaverick fantastic times you have achieved. 👍

 

[U.R.]

Thanks to tips I've read above I improved my splits:

T1: 29.030
T2: 35.491

T1: 28.929
T2: 35.200

T1: 28.946
T2: 35.034

That's it for today.

 

[A7XMaverick]

27.710
33.611

brake pedal acting up on the ol' DFGT, hopefully can get that fixed and give it another run

 

[w-g-e]

T1: 27.690
T2: 33.641

Active steering off

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I'm running the same as I always have, no aids except ABS, though I'm switching between 1 and 3 for that. I haven't really noticed a speed difference between the two, just a subtle influence on entry. These splits were on a setting of 1, which is my psychological comfort zone. I like to measure my performance against myself using as level a platform as possible. Every week is the same settings, just a different combo. It's the same idiot for a driver, too!
Welcome back, mcfizzle!!
It's nice to see Mr. Brinkley is here, too!
Chris, I can remember being addicted to "Andretti Racing" way back in the mid-90's, so I hear you. I'm going to buy a new wheel, though. The DFP I'm using is a few years old and has thousands of hours on it.

New splits.
T1: 28.075
T2: 33.795

I know I'm losing the time in T1 on the entry to the first corner. I'm happy with the sector time, though it's hard to do EVERY time, and I know there's a tenth or two left in my T3. I've got about six hours of seat time so far. Hopefully I'll have the time to put together a stronger lap. D3 is a tough division this week, as usual. Lownsey29 has arrived with a bang!! Don't know if I can touch that T1! 👍
Where's Carlos?

Racing On!

I'm right there buddy with you 👍 Nice splits by the way. Lownsey has turned up in D3 and schooled us in the art of kicking a**e and a good job he's done too. I've had a little over 2 hours on this so far and hope to run some more over the weekend to catch the both of you - questions is, how much faster can you go????

Shaping up to be another great week

 

[millross]

Just had 30 laps more - 15 with Active Steering OFF (ABS1 - all else off) and 15 with it ON (ABS1+AS Strong)

There is no doubt that it's a lot more fun with AS off - the car feels a bit looser and free-er (If such a word exists) - initially I was roughly 1.5s off my posted splits, the car felt very different and this was also my first go since 48 hours ago - after a while I posted 2x clean laps which were .150 off my best. Not too bad, I thought - was expecting nothing better than half a second off.

So I slung AS on strong and did 15 laps with that - the difference is that it feels really rigid, almost neutered in it's loose/free feel that you get with it off. The car will still bite your ass off but it's noticeably different in how it behaves, it feels like it's been on the naughty step for stepping-out too much and it's holding back - it does feel like a really strong LSD setting is being used, almost.

Because I'd got used to having the setting OFF, it was weird to go back to it and the usual 1-1.5 second slower laps were coming thick and fast - then I started to get back into the groove, partly because I'd done over 20 laps and partly because I was getting a bit more understeer all of a sudden and could get power down a bit quicker. After a few more laps I turned my fastest lap yet, .200 faster than I managed with AS off. A few laps later, I went faster still - got my first 27.9x T1 and was at 1:01.9 at T2...... Unfortunately I didn't save the replay! I'm a bit miffed cos I was up by almost 4 tenths at the line. Oh well.

It's T1 where active steering makes all the difference for me. I am using a control pad after all and can't exert enough car-control through that fast section whilst keeping the speed up high enough to get sub 28-second sector times. The fastest I got without Active steering on my best run was a 28.2, I was mostly nearer to 28.5s. On the rest of the lap, I don't think I saw a huge amount of difference - infact there are many corners that I took better without Active steering due to having a lovely little entry drift on them

So - quickest T1+T2 without - 1'02.3xx, quickest with, 1'01.9xx

I reckon on balance I'm about 3 tenths faster in T1 generally with active steering on, using a DS3. I think this would remain constant if I carried on experimenting with both setups. Rest of the lap I don't think there's a great deal of difference, but T1 is very hard to maintain speed/control/line without the extra understeer/rigidity feel that you get using AS. To be fair, this lap is quite hard with a pad whichever way you swing it.... I'd be a lot happier with MR cars if I had a wheel and knew how to operate it properly - Til then I have to rely on AS to be competitive 👍

I'm gonna carry on racing with off/mild/strong and a 7/4 brake balance for the rest of this week, practice makes perfect

Edit: Sorry for the rambling, didnt realise quite how much I'd typed out :S

 

[chukabilly]

If I get the chance, miillross, I'll do some laps with my wheel and we can compare the differences.
Carlos, it seems I can go a little faster! I'm happy with my new T1, but then lost the sector time I had. I left two full tenths there!! I'll be trying all week to get them back, I think.

New splits, then it's off to work. More racing tomorrow!
T1: 27.729
T2: 34.026

Gotcha for now, Jake!!

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Nice write-up Millross.

Good job Chuk, ya git!!!! 👍

 

[dranddad]

T1: 0'27.910
T2: 0'33.619

Phillip.

 

[chukabilly]

I'm mooing as loud as I can, and still no tractor beam!!!
Hey Plato!! Don't worry about the moaning and complaining because those of us who are married are used to it...{Yes Dear? What's that I'm writing? Nothing Dear!! No NO! Don't read that, I didn't mean you! }

I hereby apologize to anyone I may have offended by insinuating that their significant other may in any way be predisposed to moaning and/or complaining. My wife, the sweetest, most loving person I've ever had the fortune to meet, did not make me write this.

Anyone got an aspirin?

Racing On! {Very, very quietly!}

 

[millross]

27.952
33.893

There's still some time in 'ere for me

Edit: 10th - 20th is separated by .120 at the moment - not a lot of time gain can shoot you up the LB... if you can find it!

TCS 0, ABS 1, Strong active steering (Sorry Pyxen), Controller sensitivity -2 (No idea what difference this makes), BB 7/4 (Works REALLY well, IMHO)

 

[EDK]

I'm afraid I am very close to my "talent wall," although I have seen .3 better in T2, so I may need that tow. Gonna give it a couple more runs with the green monster, possibly later today or tomorrow.

[Not Recommended for the Faint of Heart]

If there is a combo that I really want to achieve my best with, I have a particular approach I use that works really well for me.
The only comp I've used this approach to the fullest extent is the GT Academy Time Trials, particularly the one at the start of 2010.

The basic idea is that all I try to do in each session is improve as compared to my last session. I try to drive for sessions of about 1 hour, but if that means I drive for 20 minutes and improve by 0.5, then can't find the pace again, I'm happy and move on.

The key is this - Once I get closer to my limit, I might be an hour in before I'm even hitting the last time I ran. But even then, if I need to run for 2 hours, I run for 2 hours. If that means 2 hours and I improve by 0.001, I've still improved, I'm happy, and I move on.

I believe a good portion of these sorts of competitions is psychological. If you improve every time you run it's easier to believe you can improve.

If you set the bar too high, it's easy to get disappointed. Just compare to yourself and work to improve, and you'll be surprised to learn your limit is much different than you expected it to be.

[/Faint of Heart May Return]

 

[Carlos Fandango]

You guys are killing me - its 8am here and I'm not gonna get any seat time for another 15 hours