GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 25 : Why has it Denso Long?

[Jump_Ace]

T1 - 35.317
T2 - 34.045

I think I am about done with this, I can only handle so much tune racing. GL guys!


Jerome

 

[CSLACR]

Yes

T3 here is quite technical with two very important traction zones - a small deviation in either can cost tenths easily. So still a crucial sector I reckon.

Yes, you are.

I made some changes to my set-up. Forget all tuning rules, just try it.

Well I guess the bet's on then guys.

I will definitely try your tune, asap, some pretty awesome splits you have there. 👍

 

[EDK]

Only small changes to my setup, but full HP now. Ran a couple seasonals to earn some cash and get it up to power.

35.541
34.435

 

[MONSTAR-1]

I don't have a GTP account. If I make 1 can I enter this compition?

 

[CSLACR]

I don't have a GTP account. If I make 1 can I enter this compition?

Once you submit the qualifier for the GTP registry to Vaxen, it'll be between 1-2 weeks usually.

 

[jack5428]

New splits.

T1: 35.514
T2: 34.320

T1: 35.718
T2: 34.187

T1: 35.499
T2: 34.077

Still tweaking on the tune.

 

[MONSTAR-1]

Once you submit the qualifier for the GTP registry to Vaxen, it'll be between 1-2 weeks usually.

Ok thanks for that. Just 2 mire question, where do I find the qualifier?

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Right here mate...

It is advised that you spend as long on the qualifier as you would on a weekly event so that your division placement is an accurate assessment of your ongoing performance

What was the second question?

 

[MONSTAR-1]

Right here mate...

It is advised that you spend as long on the qualifier as you would on a weekly event so that your division placement is an accurate assessment of your ongoing performance

What was the second question?

Thanks for the advice. I'll check it out.
There's no second question, just stupid iPhone operator lol

 

[db_Is_Me]

35.688
34.681

Yes, you are.

I made some changes to my set-up. Forget all tuning rules, just try it.

Well, I tried this and instantly knocked 1/2 second off my lap time. Only thing I changed was to wind down the Brake Balance, as seems like you are more gentle on the brakes than I am. And the high B/B was causing me to lock up at nasty moments and the rear to go on change of direction. Sometimes (OK a lot!) I'm not lined up correctly to brake in a straight line. Had it at 7/4, but had not finalised on that yet.

But I feel dirty. This type of MAX/MIN setting reminds me of the Suzuki Escudo wheelie trick in GT3.

These settings wouldn't work like this in the real world, would they? Is the physics of GT5 now more of an arcade game than a simulator? I am disappoint

 

[Alan_G]

Except the suspension settings are back to front, so Wes actually has the rear set rock solid.

So you mean the game got it wrong - rear is front, front is rear? Or you mean he just listed rear/front in that order?

If it's the game, does it only apply to suspension?

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Yep, game is bass ackwards on suspension, although toe and camber are correct. You should see the settings we were using in wk15 (I think) in the RM Civic...

 

[EDK]

Yep, game is bass ackwards on suspension, although toe and camber are correct. You should see the settings we were using in wk15 (I think) in the RM Civic...

The other caveat to that is that what works here in the "Offline" part of the game doesn't apply to online.

Chuk and I tried taking the week 15 combo online with the tunes we were using for the offline combo, and could not make it through even 1 corner without spinning the car.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Really?? I find that astonishing! This game never ceases to amaze me, and not always for the right reasons...

These settings wouldn't work like this in the real world, would they?

No

 

[Manuelos]

Big thank you to w-g-e for the tune, managed to smash my old laptime by 0.8s 1.0s 1.2s

35.420
34.023

35.245
34.068

35.137
34.003

Slowly getting there

 

[Lynx-Can]

T1: 35.582
t2: 34.465

 

[Carlos Fandango]

35.320
34.380

T2 still very untidy but T3 worked out well so I'm pleased. Using Wes' crazy suspension 👍

 

[db_Is_Me]

It's a disgrace, and polyphony digital should feel ashamed in releasing such trash - even more than I do for running such rubbish settings*

GRAN TURISMO
The real unreal world driving simulator arcade game

Sorry, but I won't submit a time this week as a feeble protest.
How can I remove my times from the Leaderboard?

*No offence intended to wge for the settings, or the admins for creating this. I was quite enjoying the track/car, but I expect GT5 to be a sim, not some unrealistic nonsense.

 

[EDK]

Really?? I find that astonishing! This game never ceases to amaze me, and not always for the right reasons...

If you still have your car set up from week 15, go try it yourself in your own online lobby. It will amaze you............

It's a disgrace, and polyphony digital should feel ashamed in releasing such trash - even more than I do for running such rubbish settings.

GRAN TURISMO
The real unreal world driving simulator arcade game

May very well be, but I'm not going to have the WRS forum turn into a spinoff of the Moaner's paradise that is the GT5 forums. Some of us are pointing out the idiosyncrasies of the tuning on GT5. That's fine, and part of the general discussion here.

Moaning about the game is not.

How can I remove my times from the Leaderboard?

If you haven't submitted a time via PM to the fetchbot, there's nothing you need to do. The leaderboard just shows posted splits, but you will not be included in the results if you don't submit.

If you have submitted via PM, there are instructions in the first post of the thread on how to remove your time.

 

[db_Is_Me]

Apologies - I was just really so shocked and taken by surprise!

Cheers
db

 

[ASH32]

Some splits from me, my car isn't quite up to full power yet, but it isn't far off.

35.622
34.297

I have been running the tune EDK posted, but if it's faster i'll try w-g-e's tune the next time I run.

 

[Alan_G]

With respect to the sim/arcade issue, I deem the reversed-suspension to be acceptable as it's just a mistake. The problem I have is things which are deliberately made a certain way, knowing that it is further from reality than possible (i.e. slipstream). But the suspension is just an error. I've seen this in other games (like Ferrari Challenge, Supercar Challenge - where the camber/toe was backwards). Anyway, not for discussion here I suppose!

 

[GTPorsche]

Tried adjusting the car to how I wanted it to be for me and I'm just not getting the right feel out of it. I'm terrible at settings.

I think I'll go back to using Kev's setup, but with a different LSD setting. Car has too much slippage when on throttle exiting corners.

Not making any progress at all on this.

 

[Vagabond]

Tried Wes setup - not working for me, probably because I'd already got used to my own and was happy with how it felt. I don't like using completely unrealistic setups either - feels like exploiting GT5's weaknesses rather than tuning. I'm ok with the "ride height glitch" but setups like we used on the Civic RM make me shudder and I die a little inside... The rules state we shouldn't exploit GT5's loopholes and setups like this seem to do exactly that.

Anyway...

35.091
33.620

Messy T3 on this lap. Seen a 34.913 T1 now so I know its possible for me - I'll spend the next 4 days trying to tie that up to a decent T2.

 

[Anghammarad]

Tried some laps and it was fun. Unfortunately this is the only time I will have as I am going on a trip tomorrow so I fully expect to drop like a stone on the leaderboard. Anyways, submitting with

35.039
33.697

and a quite poor last sector.

 

[EDK]

Tried Wes setup - not working for me, probably because I'd already got used to my own and was happy with how it felt. I don't like using completely unrealistic setups either - feels like exploiting GT5's weaknesses rather than tuning. I'm ok with the "ride height glitch" but setups like we used on the Civic RM make me shudder and I die a little inside... The rules state we shouldn't exploit GT5's loopholes and setups like this seem to do exactly that.

The standard rule has been there since week 1, and it was more to head off the potential of any unknown bugs, like the Subaru Toe bug mentioned. Not sure if you were aware of it in those days, but you could do something like maxing out the front toe on the '07 Subaru STI and it would significantly increase straightline speed.

We're trying to keep people from doing things like that, not from using suspension settings that help the car turn better.

Personally, I wish I had more "Arcade Only" cars to choose from. Like maybe, all of them? 💡

But instead, I have to run a lot of weeks with tuning if I want to put up a wide variety of combos.

 

[CSLACR]

Tried Wes setup - not working for me, probably because I'd already got used to my own and was happy with how it felt. I don't like using completely unrealistic setups either - feels like exploiting GT5's weaknesses rather than tuning. I'm ok with the "ride height glitch" but setups like we used on the Civic RM make me shudder and I die a little inside... The rules state we shouldn't exploit GT5's loopholes and setups like this seem to do exactly that.

Anyway...

35.091
33.620

Messy T3 on this lap. Seen a 34.913 T1 now so I know its possible for me - I'll spend the next 4 days trying to tie that up to a decent T2.

I agreed at the time of the Civic RM event, but have had a change in view since then.
You see, while settings like Wes' may not be realistic, most of us have seen benefits from softening the rear, ride height, etc, etc, the problem comes in when you ask where the line should be drawn. Not for the WRS, as we can't prove what settings anyone has, but for personal satisfaction, at what point do you deem it an exploit? Softening the rear and/or lowering it is the only truly successful way to dial out under steer, which is something we should be able to do with tuning, and I think we all agree there.
Either way, I've personally determind PD did NOT get the settings backwards per se, rather, they determind a softer rear would have less cornering grip than a stiff rear. I say this because with Wes' tune (only had 3 laps so far with it) the car clearly has more grip accelerating, which a soft rear should have.
If it were truly backwards, acceleration grip should be lessened by a stiff suspension in the rear, which was clearly not the case in my drive, it slid all over, but when I put the hammer down, she screamed, with the oddball finding an increase of 2 mph at the line and almost hitting the rev limiter, which I wasn't close to before. (but this could be due to a better launch from extra rear grip accelerating, plus less steering effort-i.e. scrubbed speed through the final turn.)

Just food for thought, I should get some more time tonight.

Edit: Nice splits Chris, no matter the setup. 👍

 

[Carlos Fandango]

We had the debate (in a separate thread) during the NASCAR event at Indy road course and again during the RM Civic event. This is no different - I don't like to have to do it to the car to make it work, and I'm sure that there will be poeple faster than me that don't use it (like Chris for example) who are simply better than I am, but that's life.

I think the only way it is a problem for WRS is if some people aren't aware of it.

 

[millross]

Ok, so I set my best time (the one that has splits on the LB) with 562bhp and Kevin's setup.

I now have 572hp and have tried Wes' setup and Chris' setup - the former doesn't work for me, or maybe even at all with a pad. It was quite comical and like driving a drinks trolley!.

I tried Chris' setup too but I'm definitely better off with Kevin's setup and some pad-friendly LSD settings, so I've reverted back to that.

I've done about 100 miles now since setting a 1:09.7 and I'm now mostly serving up 1:10.2, I can't even get near what I was doing before with 10bhp less. Confusing & irritating.

In conclusion, I am sucking big time at this. Giving up for a few days and will run a tonne of laps on Sunday afternoon when I'm not quite so knackered!

 

[DigitalBaka]

35.830
35.231

That might be it for me this week. T3 is all funky but I'm starting to get very frustrated with my inconsistency and all the little red numbers so I think a break would do some good. I'll check back in after the weekend. Have fun folks!