GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 25 : Why has it Denso Long?

[Alan_G]

Not really getting T2. How are people doing the double-left, double-right after T1 split-line? I'm staying wide on the first left, then clip the white line on the 2nd left apex, then power down the hill with loads of right curb and then run wide beside the wall on the left.

Just can't quite see where 0.5 is being lost though.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Yeah I'm having trouble there as well Alan. I think it's all in the right-left before the tunnel.

 

[yanaran]

Lost my touch in T2 but getting a better hang on 1 and 3...

T1: 34.928
T2: 33.899

The hairpin before T1 and the medium right in the 2nd tunnel are my lap makers/breakers at the moment. The entire third sector feels like transportation, I rarely lose or gain anything on my ghost there - could be a both a good or bad sign.

 

[BloodiMayhem]

Yeah I'm having trouble there as well Alan. I think it's all in the right-left before the tunnel.

Same here!
The left before the tunnel is my new focus.
I am undecided if i should be all the way over to the right before the left hander or cut it tight and stay left after the previous right?? (if you understand that you're doin well).
More research required.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I'm thinking compromise the right before the tight left to get a good run through the left and into the tunnel. Haven't tried it yet though...

 

[Vagabond]

Nice T1 yanaran. 👍

Great splits there Thomas and nice to have you back, however briefly

Personally, I wish I had more "Arcade Only" cars to choose from. Like maybe, all of them? 💡

Amen to that Kev

But instead, I have to run a lot of weeks with tuning if I want to put up a wide variety of combos.

Yeah I understand your pickle (...I was doing 200 miles an hour sideways and 500 feet down at the same time...) and I'm not intending to cause debate - I'll take them as they come and tune the cars according to my style, as I always do. 👍

Nice splits Chris, no matter the setup. 👍

Thanks Dom - enjoying this combo 👍

I'm thinking compromise the right before the tight left to get a good run through the left and into the tunnel. Haven't tried it yet though...

Pretty much - exit the right and only run out to the middle of the track, full throttle and brake/change down for the left, keeping a tight symmetrical apex.. run out to the curb on the right but don't hit it.

This might help:


Much slower car on comfort tyres but the principle is the same.

Fried tonight...

34.899
33.703

Still made a bit of a mess of T3... taking tomorrow off WRS and hit it again at the weekend. Good luck all. 👍

 

[Carlos Fandango]

This might help:

Thanks Chris, yes it does. Nicely done BTW. I only joined in Week 8 so missed that one.

 

[Vagabond]

Thanks Jon - I enjoyed that one... back in my D2 days Another tuning week but before I/we had found out about the ride height glitch.

 

[CSLACR]

Lost my touch in T2 but getting a better hang on 1 and 3...

T1: 34.928
T2: 33.899

The hairpin before T1 and the medium right in the 2nd tunnel are my lap makers/breakers at the moment. The entire third sector feels like transportation, I rarely lose or gain anything on my ghost there - could be a both a good or bad sign.

I hear that. I gained a good bit through my first 120 miles, since then it's been (knocks on wood) like clockwork.

Not really getting T2. How are people doing the double-left, double-right after T1 split-line? I'm staying wide on the first left, then clip the white line on the 2nd left apex, then power down the hill with loads of right curb and then run wide beside the wall on the left.

Just can't quite see where 0.5 is being lost though.

Cut the corners.
inside for the left, mostly on the concrete (keep two on tarmac), cut across to the inside for the right, but stay wide for second right, cut inside again, as hard as you can, staying as wide as possible for the left entering the tunnel.

I could be wrong, as I'm not running 33.5's, but I think the left/right through the second tunnel is just as important if not more, a lot of time there, inside for the left, exiting on the inside, to set up a wide entrance for early throttle out of the second tunnel.
And I also feel in some turns like I'm playing "operation" and if I touch the rumbles it zaps me.

Thanks Dom - enjoying this combo

That's what's important anyway, right?

 

[BloodiMayhem]

I'm thinking compromise the right before the tight left to get a good run through the left and into the tunnel. Haven't tried it yet though...

Yup.
Chris's Vid even shows a compromise, thanks mate.
I'll give it a shot later see what difference it makes.
Cheers All !!!

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Quiet around here this week...

 

[CSLACR]

Quiet around here this week...

Seems a strong D1 level this week, but lackluster for all other divisions, perhaps due to the complexities of GVS?
Blows my mind, this, as GV was always a favorite of mine, and dare I say, the only original GT track I never got tired of. (Sorry Trial Mountain, I love you, but sometimes you annoy me)

 

[DigitalBaka]

The length of the course has something to do with it I think. The last couple weeks have been shorter and less annoying if you stuff it somewhere. My frustration is that if I have to can a lap it isn't just a minute trip to try again. The level of concentration required feels like it it's on another level compared to London and HSR and wears you down that much quicker. I was running 30 and 40 laps at a time but this one I can barely stand to do 10 or 12. My opinion, for what it's worth.

 

[teecro]

I haven't had a chance to run it yet this week.
Bob broke my motor in for me and it's just been sitting in the garage waiting to be taken to Grand Valley.
I hope to get some time in today and compare splits on the board.

 

[CSLACR]

Frustrating beginnings, trying Wes' setup, then slowly dialing over steer out, etc, etc, ended up determining there is a benefit from higher lsd, currently at 5/10/5 for that, will post full tune when fully sorted/have time.

35.014
33.827

It's so good to be in the eight's, so good.
Finally got her broken in, up to 222.2 miles, now, which amused me also.
Still had some very sloppy moments of over steer, she's gotten very twitchy on corner exit, but still blowing old setups doors off through pretty much every turn when I do get it right.

The length of the course has something to do with it I think. The last couple weeks have been shorter and less annoying if you stuff it somewhere. My frustration is that if I have to can a lap it isn't just a minute trip to try again. The level of concentration required feels like it it's on another level compared to London and HSR and wears you down that much quicker. I was running 30 and 40 laps at a time but this one I can barely stand to do 10 or 12. My opinion, for what it's worth.

And you either have to stop, and turn around, drive back to the last hairpin(s) or complete a lap to get a solid start, very frustrating, but I still love the track.

 

[ASH32]

Some better splits from last night after I put w-g-e's tune on.👍

35.186
34.187

This lap was a little untidy too so there is room for improvement.

 

[CSLACR]

Some better splits from last night after I put w-g-e's tune on.👍

35.186
34.187

This lap was a little untidy too so there is room for improvement.

Question: Active Steering? I tried it without, and it was wild, but I can't drive well with AS strong, and have only once set a best lap with AS mild, so I'm curious.
I'm also curious why I suck with AS.

 

[jack5428]

New splits.

T1: 35.451
T2: 34.038

Incredible that I finally beat my ghost.

 

[w-g-e]

Question: Active Steering? I tried it without, and it was wild, but I can't drive well with AS strong, and have only once set a best lap with AS mild, so I'm curious.
I'm also curious why I suck with AS.

I don't use active steering, don't know about anyone else using my tune. I like it wild.
I also suck with active steering on.

 

[ASH32]

Question: Active Steering? I tried it without, and it was wild, but I can't drive well with AS strong, and have only once set a best lap with AS mild, so I'm curious.
I'm also curious why I suck with AS.

I don't use active steering, don't know about anyone else using my tune. I like it wild.
I also suck with active steering on.

I have not even tried using AS on this combo, so it's off. My lap is pretty wild though, hence why I said it was untidy. I should be able to control it though with a little practice.

 

[Usual Suspect]

Seems a strong D1 level this week, but lackluster for all other divisions, perhaps due to the complexities of GVS?

Think the issue is in the combo, that is great, don´t get me wrong, but is by no means easy.

In fact is really difficult for those that are not "aliens" to drive fast this week and that can put some aside.

Last night i gave a serious atempt with w-g-e' tune () and it needs some really great skils (that i don´t have) to manage a lap without spinning or crashing.

Going back to Chris' tune to try a little better, but have little faith as T2 is killing me , specially after the first tunnel.

 

[millross]

Yeah spot on - this track is nails to hook up a great lap in a car with this much power. It's even harder with a pad....

For anyone DS3'ing, I'd recommend Kevin (EDK) setup which I think is on page 2, but up the LSD to 15/45/15. It works well for me anyway, but still requires a lot of skill to control this very powerful car.

I am using strong Active steering - purely because it helps control steering-related carnage.

How are people driving the fast right/left in the middle of sector 1? I try starting wide then brake slightly and aim for as close to the curb as poss and I "try" to stay at 130mph, which I can and have done, but it's not easy to get it right. That tight-right towards the end of sector 1 is also an absolute beast, I thought I understood it but I'm not sure I even got the entry & exit right once last night.

 

[Vagabond]

How are people driving the fast right/left in the middle of sector 1? I try starting wide then brake slightly and aim for as close to the curb as poss and I "try" to stay at 130mph, which I can and have done, but it's not easy to get it right. That tight-right towards the end of sector 1 is also an absolute beast, I thought I understood it but I'm not sure I even got the entry & exit right once last night.

I follow the standard racing line (not a wide entry) and just let off the gas slightly as I aim for the curb on the right, then stomp on it again, full throttle all the way to the braking zone for the hairpin. Use any brakes at all in the middle part and your losing massive amounts of time.

 

[Alan_G]

How are people driving the fast right/left in the middle of sector 1? I try starting wide then brake slightly and aim for as close to the curb as poss and I "try" to stay at 130mph, which I can and have done, but it's not easy to get it right. That tight-right towards the end of sector 1 is also an absolute beast, I thought I understood it but I'm not sure I even got the entry & exit right once last night.

Hug the white line on the left of turn-3 (left-hander) right around beyond the exit. Turn in to the right-hander (turn-4), then a half-lift on the throttle, then take a late apex; need to be in the middle of the road for the first part of that corner, then take a late apex with full throttle - the car should naturally then take maximum curb on the left, and exit rightover to the right beside the grass before the hairpin. But the main thing is to stay left on exit of turn-3, and take late apex of turn-4. I don't brake there at all - never a full lift either. Problem is, get the line wrong and you're in the wall - lap over.

The right-hairpin before T1 line is far easier I feel. There are a couple of lines through there I think; brake hard & straight, turn-in late and take a late apex. Or turn-in quite early hugging the apex. The tricky part is that it doesn't open-up upon exit, and the road camber is a bit odd, so easy to wheelspin and/or run wide.

 

[Pluscat]

35.847
34.863

35.787
34.555

 

[poolhaas]

35.456
34.292

 

[millross]

Just can't help myself sometimes....

Thanks for the tips 👍 - I can't do what you guys are doing and lift for that high speed corner, so I'm doing what I was doing and just breathing on the brakes for the briefest moment. I think I'm doing the right thing, it's just the case of getting that sweet line and taking the highest speed possible.

35.479
34.078

.460 chunk extracted from previous best, some in sector 2 and most in 3. First good lap that I'm happy with!

 

[01GTP]

First shot at this terrible car, it handles like it looks, ugly. Of course, IMO.
Thanks for the posted setup (praiano63) which lets the car become drivable.
I have softened the shocks a bit for kerbs and use 5/11/5 LSD.
I hope to get maximum HP after another session, just over 100 miles on it as of now.

35.818
34.315

 

[CSLACR]

Just can't help myself sometimes....

Thanks for the tips 👍 - I can't do what you guys are doing and lift for that high speed corner, so I'm doing what I was doing and just breathing on the brakes for the briefest moment. I think I'm doing the right thing, it's just the case of getting that sweet line and taking the highest speed possible.

35.479
34.078

.460 chunk extracted from previous best, some in sector 2 and most in 3. First good lap that I'm happy with!

I've found a dab of brakes or enough lift-off can both work, it's just harder to be precise with the brakes for me.
I enter the left wide, and stay wide left, very wide left, late apex for the right, and should be full throttle through the left down to the hairpin, though with the wheel my maximum is 133mph minimum speed through the right, but it's really not a "make it or break it" section, I find turn 1, the hairpin at the end of T1, and T2 in it's entirety (each turn) to all be more important to the lap.

First shot at this terrible car, it handles like it looks, ugly. Of course, IMO.
Thanks for the posted setup (praiano63) which lets the car become drivable.
I have softened the shocks a bit for kerbs and use 5/11/5 LSD.
I hope to get maximum HP after another session, just over 100 miles on it as of now.

35.818
34.315

It's ugly as hell, but with a decent tune it ends up driving pretty well.

 

[EDK]

First shot at this terrible car, it handles like it looks, ugly. Of course, IMO.
Thanks for the posted setup (praiano63) which lets the car become drivable.

I think you just remember the Denso Sard Supra from GT4 and have bad memories/flashbacks.

Maybe I'm weird, but I like this car. Interesting what you have to do to make it faster, but I even don't mind the way it drives in stock trim, very stable. Of course, IMO.