GTP_WRS (GT5) Week 27 : Mountaineering 101

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Carlos Fandango
As Seismica suggests, the data points to 2nd gear being quicker in the second turn (assuming you're getting a good run through the first chicane) and using third is costing you a tenth and a half.
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I don't agree with that as I use 3rd for that corner as well. But I haven't tried 2nd gear yet, should give it a try tomorrow.
 
Fair enough Wes. I based my point on Plato being competitive in T2 so it's not necessarily a FWD thing. He's using third in turn 2 and yes it was an assumption of mine that inferred that he might be alone in that respect up at the sharp end if the leaderboard.

Far from struggling though...
 
If those two are doing it in 3rd, maybe i'm doing it wrong? :lol: I tried that in 3rd, but my driving style just doesn't agree with staying in too high a gear, which I found in week 24 at London where I was taking turns in 2nd that others were taking in 3rd. I think there is very little difference to be honest, as long as the line is correct and the apex speed and exit is good.
 
Update
T1: 23.899
T2: 28.997

No aids no ABS, BB set at 5/3
Last update for tonight, may struggle to get another shot so may have to submit with these splits, forgot how much I enjoy the WRS now I've finally found a couple of hours spare the last 2 evenings.
 
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Gave it a quick few laps.

T1: 24.006
T2: 29.113

Plenty more laps to go..👍

Insomniac Theatre Laps :sly:

T1: 23.532
T2: 29.175

Sort of blew the 3rd turn, looked up at my split :)
Big thanks to Dan for posting corner speeds 👍
Helped a ton!
:cheers:
 
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23.418
29.018

I had a poor T3 though so it's only a minor improvement on my other lap.:banghead:
 
Carlos Fandango
Fair enough Wes. I based my point on Plato being competitive in T2 so it's not necessarily a FWD thing. He's using third in turn 2 and yes it was an assumption of mine that inferred that he might be alone in that respect up at the sharp end if the leaderboard.

Far from struggling though...
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I didn't mean I was struggling through T1 and T2, i'm happy enough with my pace through there. My splits don't tell the full story, what I meant was I was struggling through the back section of the lap. It doesn't always mean I have a good overall time just because I have a good first couple of sectors, the back section is far from perfect.

Sorry you guy's misunderstood me 👍

Glad to see I am not the only one using 3rd gear through turn 2, is it slower in 3rd though, as I can't carry good speed in 2nd gear?
 
GTP_Plato
I didn't mean I was struggling through T1 and T2, i'm happy enough with my pace through there. My splits don't tell the full story, what I meant was I was struggling through the back section of the lap. It doesn't always mean I have a good overall time just because I have a good first couple of sectors, the back section is far from perfect.

Sorry you guy's misunderstood me 👍

Glad to see I am not the only one using 3rd gear through turn 2, is it slower in 3rd though, as I can't carry good speed in 2nd gear?
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I'm using 3rd too, like you I couldn't get 2nd to work at all. I'd like to see how the guys using 2nd are making it work.:eek:
 
Seismica
The second corner is definitely a 2nd gear corner in my opinion. The apex speed is maybe 56-57 mph which is a little too low for 3rd, and you need second to get a good exit up the hill. In contrast the next turn is a 3rd gear corner, with a more rounded apex and a speed of 60-61 which would not justify a downshift. If 3rd works for you, go for it 👍 But hitting the apex is the most important thing there. Slight kerb is good too, but not too much.

For reference, I cross the line at 111mph and exit the first chicane at 100-102mph. I found a smooth line through the chicane can be worth a tenth even with the same entry/exit speed.
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I can hold 59-60 MPH using 3rd through turn 2, which is a couple of MPH faster than what you are getting using 2nd gear, even with these speed stats I have here, it still doesn't really say which way is faster.

I take it Dan has tried going through in both gears though, and has settled on 2nd being the quicker gear. As I have said though I struggle to keep corner speed using 2nd 👍

@ ASH

I wouldn't mind knowing how they are doing it either, as for using 3rd, the hardest part is getting the car to slow down for turn 2, when I tried 2nd it was easier to get the car to stop, but harder to keep the momentum in my opinion
 
I use 2nd for turn 2 (or turn 3 if the chicane is 2 turns), as well as the turn after that (just after T1 split) - I've been using 2nd to slow the car down on both corners, but it's a bit of a pain to get right, I might give 3rd gear a try.

I've been using 3/5 or 3/6 BB w/ ABS 1 and everything else off (DS3) - incase anybody's interested!

There's tonnes of time to lose in T3 and the tunnel exit is very very important also as the rest of the turns in T4 are full throttle and you'll never recover. The turn into the first tunnel (right-hander) and the turn after that where you go under the monkey - these are the two that i've found hardest - I can't recommend enough just driving round and round and round rather than just restarting due to missing the opening chicane :)
 
GTP_Plato
Had another go earlier, really struggling to find the time on this one, FWD's just don't agree with me.

T1 23.388
T2 28.811

I think I am loosing time in T1 as I take the 2nd corner (Hairpin) in 3rd gear, but judging by Dans post I take it everyone is using 2nd. I have tried 2nd but can't get the corner right using it, I am dropping to much speed and not sure what I am doing wrong.

I lost over a tenth in T3 also, so there is more time to find, I can't see me finding it though :ouch:
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Long time no see there Plato. My times are no where near yours so I'm not giving you advice. I tried using 3rd gear in turn 2 also but it seemed like the car wouldn't pull up the hill as well. Your entry and exit speed is higher than mine I'm sure so that would help getting up the hill faster.

I'll give it another try though, I need to find at least 3th's to better NINE_HUNDRED's great splits. D4 just got tougher with the time he posted.
 
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MilleRSVR
Long time no see there Plato. My times are no where near yours so I'm not giving you advice. I tried using 3rd gear in turn 2 also but it seemed like the car wouldn't pull up the hill as well. Your entry and exit speed is higher than mine I'm sure so that would help getting up the hill faster.

I'll give it another try though, I need to find at least .3th's to better NINE_HUNDRED's great splits. D4 just got tougher with the time he posted.
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I think if you can keep good entry/exit speed using 3rd gear, it may be just as fast as using 2nd. It surely saves a bit of time without having to use an extra downshift. 👍
 
GTP_Plato
I can hold 59-60 MPH using 3rd through turn 2, which is a couple of MPH faster than what you are getting using 2nd gear, even with these speed stats I have here, it still doesn't really say which way is faster.

I take it Dan has tried going through in both gears though, and has settled on 2nd being the quicker gear. As I have said though I struggle to keep corner speed using 2nd 👍
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I'm not convinced 2nd is faster now. I know i'm losing time in T1, I've never seen sub 23.3xx so I may be missing a trick here. I brake to the apex and power out very early, going wide but not taking any exit kerb. My braking distances vary depending on how wide my approach is, whether I take any kerb and how well I got on the power out of the chicane.

I suppose it is possible that i'm perhaps shifting down too early which is causing the front wheels to spin and increasing the braking distance, rather than help slow the car down (As Dan said about the sharp left in T3, wait before shifting to second, but the braking into turn 2 isn't as heavy). I'll give it a shot later using 3rd for that corner, it might allow me to carry more speed through there :) But I honestly think the chicane has the most time in it in T1, as said on the first page (By Joost or EDK, can't remember) it requires a bit of luck.

I said I was done but... I want a podium :lol: A few more hours tonight should get me down a tenth or two before I go away for the weekend.
 
I have had a few .2s in T1, so I really can't see 3rd gear being slower. I am going to have another run at this tonight and see if I can take some time off in T3, this sector is where the time is and where I struggle the most, I know there is at least another 3-4 tenths in the lap, but it's hard to find.
 
T1: 23.270
T2: 29.246

I use 3rd gear and I do alright thru that 2nd corner in T1 and now I have some evidence.:) I think I was late getting on the gas this time a little is all. I didnt hit it perfect like I have before a few times.

Its quite tricky and sometimes you get some really sweet slip off the outside rumble on entry and other times you get none just like the first corner of T2...this time I got none off the T2 rumble.👎

The cool thing is if I beat my time to the T2 checkpoint by a tenth I always seem to get my tenth to the finish line. If I dont get to T2 quicker I have no chance of running a faster lap which doesnt seem right but thats always what happens...thats been the pattern for a long time now.
 
Latest splits, split 1 about the same, found where I was going wrong in split 2.

Using 3rd gear instead of 2nd into the right hander onto the back straight up the hill. Carrying more speed all the way down the straight, 107mph instead of 105. Better sector 3 also. Not sure I have anymore than this.:crazy:

T1, 23.702
T2, 28.784
 
err... Are people posting sector 1 and sector 3 times? Because i im a few seconds faster in sector 1 than a few guys on the last page and im a few seconds slower than there sector 2 times. Peoples 2nd sector times are closer to my 3rd sector times.

Also my replay isnt showing my correct lap time. Its about half a second off but you can see it when the car crosses the line.
 
MilleRSVR
Latest splits, split 1 about the same, found where I was going wrong in split 2.

Using 3rd gear instead of 2nd into the right hander onto the back straight up the hill. Carrying more speed all the way down the straight, 107mph instead of 105. Better sector 3 also. Not sure I have anymore than this.:crazy:

T1, 23.702
T2, 28.784
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I was looking for you on the splits leaderboard and couldnt find you forever because your ahead of me.:)👍

@MONSTAR sector 1 and sector 2 times are being posted and when you run a faster clean lap you save your ghost replay and yeah it wont show your final time on the replay as you watch it. But it will be on the replay before you select to play it in the replay theater in blue.

Are you driving the correct car on the correct tires at the correct track? Seconds faster or slower doesnt sound quite right.
 
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MONSTAR-1
err... Are people posting sector 1 and sector 3 times? Because i im a few seconds faster in sector 1 than a few guys on the last page and im a few seconds slower than there sector 2 times. Peoples 2nd sector times are closer to my 3rd sector times.

Also my replay isnt showing my correct lap time. Its about half a second off but you can see it when the car crosses the line.
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Are you running the reverse version because you should be.:)
 
MilleRSVR
Latest splits, split 1 about the same, found where I was going wrong in split 2.

Using 3rd gear instead of 2nd into the right hander onto the back straight up the hill. Carrying more speed all the way down the straight, 107mph instead of 105. Better sector 3 also. Not sure I have anymore than this.:crazy:

T1, 23.702
T2, 28.784
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I better load up GT5 then... :sly:
 
jack5428
I was looking for you on the splits leaderboard and couldnt find you forever because your ahead of me.:)👍
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Hi there Jack, I have a feeling I won't be ahead of you for long though.:)

If I can just take a little more out of T1 I'll be happier.
 
MilleRSVR
Hi there Jack, I have a feeling I won't be ahead of you for long though.:)

If I can just take a little more out of T1 I'll be happier.
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Keep trying and Im sure you can. Youre in striking distance now of doing it alot better. Give the old 1 gear higher thing a try thru the 2nd corner of T1. Maybe thats all thats slowing you down thru there as well. Nailing the first corner crazy stuntman style helps as well of course.:)
 
Slowly getting the hang of this track & car combo still alot more time to come. i`m feeling good about this week D3 drivers...:nervous:

T1, 23.812
T2, 29.056
 
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