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Hmmm... In my opion that is not a good idea... Trigger locks are bad. Most are so terrible, kids can still find a way to shoot off the gun with them on. They'll do anything to pull that trigger, like use a pen, those crafty boogers. The locks are not reliable at all. Trigger locks were an attempt by the firearm industry to look more cautious about firearms, legal woes and all. Plus, they hinder a quick response if you happen to need your firemarm in a timely manner. You may want to rethink the trigger lock idea.
You should purchase a good guality small gun safe. They cost around $100.00 to $150.00, but they are well worth it. This is all you really need.
I'd like to touch on this. Wouldn't a tigger lock as well as a gun safe, hinder any kind of quick response if a situation came about?
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for having your weapon secured, but what happens when you need your weapon in a hurry and it's locked up?
It seems to defeat the purpose of having a weapon for self defense.
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Yes, a gun safe does slow down the response time, but not every situation requires you the need to have your firearm in an instant. But having both at the same time is not necessary. If a kid can get the safe open, he for sure can override the "safety" of a trigger lock.
You're screwed, but there is a good chance you are near your safe at the time you need your firearm. You need to place the safe were you spend the most of your time. Plus, you can practice opening your safe, like the way I do. I first try it one handed, then with the lights off, then I try it with my hands tied up, in case I get tied up. Don't laugh, you never know when you need to open your safe if you are tied up. That is why I keep a knife and a set of handcuffs in my safe, and have learned to point and shoot with my hands behind my back. But, I admit, this is very extreme, and chaces are, you wouldn't need to do this yourself.
Yes, sometimes, but you gotta be safe with firearms. The gunsafe does not completely remove the protection of firearm ownership. It's just one of the responsabilities of gun ownership. If you practice enough, you can open the safe in two seconds, or less. Trigger locks take much longer, no matter how much you practice.
Look for something like this.
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I keep mine loaded by the bed where I can get it in seconds. I agree though, one does not always need quick response time. If you have an alarm, you should have some warning - enough time to get your gun out. I have an alarm too, but I figure I have the gun so why not make it easy to get. The story would be different if there were kids around.
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I keep several guns loaded and ready throughout the house. One in the desk drawer, one by my bedside, one in my hiding place for important documents, and then there's one in the rafters. It'd pretty much be the same if I had small children around, because all of the kids I've had any part whatsoever in raising are responsible enough that they know better.
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Sorry...not to sound abrasive, but that is one of the most irresponsible things I have ever heard. Remind me not to send my son over to your house to play with little Billy. Kid's are kids..., if you have kids in the house, unload your guns, and lock 'em up.
If you like, I could give you a list of reasons why you should do this....but is that really necessary?
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Well, two of them are out of reach of children, and all of them are decently "hidden", and you can't see them unless you're looking for them. What I meant was the kids that I know, and that I trust. They are in fact responsible enough to know that my guns aren't toys, and not to touch them.
I wouldn't leave anyone else alone in my room (The entire house, basically. Living in the basement has it's perks..) long enough to be able to find one of the guns and play with it.
Ghost, I'm really surprised that you would do such a thing. I find that an extremely careless act and downright irresponsible.
Kids will be kids and no matter how much "trust" you place with them, they are going to get themselfs into trouble. Period, end of story. They are just to curious. And whether you think so or not, they will. But why even take the chance?
What if something does happen? Then you will have to deal with the fact that your carelessness and irresponsibility caused the death of a child, (or adult) or at the very least, the injury of a child. I'm pretty sure that you don't want to deal with that for the rest of your life do you?
Ghost, just do the responsible thing and secure your weapons so that the possibility of someone getting hurt or killed is lessened.
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Like I said, the kids I'm talking about I know they wouldn't touch them, because they've been taught better, both by me and their parents. The youngest one is 10, so it's not as if they're young kids, and I trust them. Trust is a serious thing; You can't say you trust someone and then watch over them all the time, they'll know you're full of it, and lose respect for you.
'Sides, I don't have anywhere to secure a weapon besides the places they're already in.
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Ghost C, I tell you something about kids. I have two boys, one age 7, one about to turn 3. They know better than to do certain things, but they still do them anyway. They are very smart, and very well behaved. Their mother and I, have done a great job raising them.
Take this for example: I bought a new set of JBL Studio Series speakers three years ago. My oldest boy, then 4, always wanted to touch them because they were cool looking and new. Of course, you should never touch the cone of a speaker because you could damage it, and the oil on your hands can dissolve the speaker cone. Plus, I didn't want him to knock them over, I'm sure you get my following.
So, I told him to never touch them again, and he didn't. Last year, I see him touching them, again, I tell him not to do that, he could ruin them. So, he doesn't touch them. I tell him he would get into big trouble if he did it again, and it wasn't a problem.
Last month, he completely smashed in the titanium dome tweeter to one of the speakers. Why? "I don't know" was his tearfull response. You see? Kids will be kids. You can't stop them from being inquisitive. They will always want to experiment, no matter how many times you tell them not to do something.
Leaving your guns out like that is grossly irresponsible. If a child wonders into your room and gets a hold of one of your guns, could land you in jail. If that child uses that firearm, and someone gets hurt or killed, you will go to jail. You have to get gun safes for your guns. Maybe you should ask for some for Christmas presents. Sell one of your guns. This will reduce your firearm count, and will get you some money to buy a decent gun safe.
Take this for example: I bought a new set of JBL Studio Series speakers three years ago. My oldest boy, then 4, always wanted to touch them because they were cool looking and new. Of course, you should never touch the cone of a speaker because you could damage it, and the oil on your hands can dissolve the speaker cone. Plus, I didn't want him to knock them over, I'm sure you get my following.
So, I told him to never touch them again, and he didn't. Last year, I see him touching them, again, I tell him not to do that, he could ruin them. So, he doesn't touch them. I tell him he would get into big trouble if he did it again, and it wasn't a problem.
Last month, he completely smashed in the titanium dome tweeter to one of the speakers. Why? "I don't know" was his tearfull response. You see? Kids will be kids. You can't stop them from being inquisitive. They will always want to experiment, no matter how many times you tell them not to do something.
Leaving your guns out like that is grossly irresponsible. If a child wonders into your room and gets a hold of one of your guns, could land you in jail. If that child uses that firearm, and someone gets hurt or killed, you will go to jail. You have to get gun safes for your guns. Maybe you should ask for some for Christmas presents. Sell one of your guns. This will reduce your firearm count, and will get you some money to buy a decent gun safe.
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Bah humbug - If a child comes in my room and finds one of my guns, he's already trespassed, broken & entered, and probably wouldn't make it much farther if I'm home. As I've said, there's only two kids who have been in my room and know about my guns, and neither one would touch them - One plain and simply knows better, and the other is afraid of all types of weapons, and wouldn't pick one up to save their own life.
It's not grossly irresponsible if I live alone (basically) and don't leave anyone in my room long enough to find the two there, don't let anyone near my stash (It's hidden inside a wall somewhere, and only two people know about it other than myself, and it's not the two kids), and don't let anyone know where I keep the one hidden in the rafters.
I don't want to sell what are fairly expensive firearms for 1/3rd their actual worth, and there are other things I need that are more important for Christmas. Maybe when I pull a new job or something and have some extra laying around, but even then I doubt it. I'm looking to get rid of my current collection and get a CETME, two Beretta 92's, and an AR-15 with the .50 Beowulf conversion, so if I do happen to get that, I might just get a safe.
(I honestly don't think I'd even trust myself with a .50 laying around in the open. I'd probably haul off and shoot something out of general principle.)
(btw, doesn't RER's quote of me exceed the 6 line limit? It's 8 or 9 on my screen)
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I'm sure that's part of it, and the easiest to argue against. Her preconceived notions have put a stigma on it based on popular representations of guns, which, I've been noticing, are almost all very negative. She's never thought about it before except one time when a roommate of her's came home with a shotgun because my then future-wife was never home at night (staying at my place) and the roommate didn't feel safe alone. She was very imbalanced and paranoid and we could just see her blowing my wife's head off for coming home at 3:00 am or something. It only expedited our renting a house together and her moving out. In fact, she brought that up last night. My head was flooded with reasons why my wanting a gun is different, so many at once I just stared at her with this "are you serious?" type look on my face. I need to work on her a little. I'll have my gun.
Those are my reasons as well.
My plan of purchasing a gun this weekend was foiled by weather up here in the Mountains.
I guess the Armoury closes due to weather. They told me they are open on Saturdays, but when I got there the sign on the door clearly said closed. Grrrrr.
Leaning towards the Smith+Wessen SW99. But I'll chose whichever I feel most comfortable with.
I'd also like to collect some assult rifles too. AR-15, AK-47 and such. At least the semi-auto versions.
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if i find out any of you have a gun.. i'll shoot you !! (sarcasim)
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