Guns

[boombexus]

Yeah it's an interest that I've always had in my mind yet never done anything about it. I suppose I started to get more serious about it a year ago but it's really been since this thread was started that I've actually been very adimant about getting a handgun.

Thanks William. 👍

 

[ShobThaBob]

I am a fairly liberal person when it comes to many issues. I dont know exactly what my stance on gun control would called, but this is it.

There should be some level of control concerning age, and type of weapon. I believe 'assault' type weapons should be registered or something of the sort. But other than that, I believe they are a health part of our society. I think there should be stricter consequences for certain people if they are caught with a firearm in an area completely unrelated to hunting. So yeah...my family hates guns...I do not. They are dangerous, but only to the uneducated, and the crazy person.

 

[Talentless]

Originally posted by boombexus
Yeah it's an interest that I've always had in my mind yet never done anything about it. I suppose I started to get more serious about it a year ago but it's really been since this thread was started that I've actually been very adimant about getting a handgun.

Thanks William. 👍

I am the enlightener. Tell me now of your views on illegal immigration.

 

[Talentless]

Earlier I mentioned that I am not surprised the poll, at the time, was showing favoritism toward strong control. The reason is because half the US is not adantly pro gun, and most other countries are anti gun. I presume that some people whose lives depend on guns, such as those in the Africas, may have some pro gun leanings.

 

[milefile]

Doing research on calibers I came accross this brand new place right in my area. Seems pretty cool. I'll have to check it out.

 

[frestkd]

My goodness 215+ replies on the topic of guns on a website that's dedicated to a Video Game Series. OH MY!

Kristof

 

[Solid Lifters]

Originally posted by milefile
Doing research on calibers I came accross this brand new place right in my area. Seems pretty cool. I'll have to check it out.

Here in SoCal, indoor and outdoor ranges are closing for good. I know 5 people who have tried to open their own ranges, and failed. They said it's almost impossible, even if you have a million dollars to start one.

I think it's time for me to move.

 

[milefile]

After doing some more research I think I want a .357 magnum. I like the classic revolver, and the Dirty Harry reputation of that gun. I also like the interchangeable .38 rounds and the power of the .357 ones.

 

[ledhed]

Good choice milefile.148 gr. + p semi jacketed hollow points will stop a bear.

 

[emad]

i'm glad i live nowhere near you guys (no offense) or in a country that allows concealed firearms (Ontario has ultra-ultra strict gun control. you can own with no problem but the testing/security checks we have here is very very in depth from what my friends tell me). These sort of talks and the fact that people have permits to carry these weapons concealed while they're loaded scares the **** out of me. What the hell do those ARMED people do when ppl start to annoy them? Idon't mean physically provoke but just bug them to the point where they lose it? Everyone's lost it before without being physically provoked, whether it happened because some @$$ hit your car or just was being an @$$. Granted, the morons of the world need to be shot but umm...if a person carrying a loaded gun points it around in public for fun or out of anger...

 

[ledhed]

I've carried for 22 years and have yet to shoot one nitwit.

 

[emad]

👍 good to know, but i'd still prefer people weren't allowed to carry them loaded...especially people just getting them

 

[Danoff]

if a person carrying a loaded gun points it around in public for fun or out of anger...

You know when you get a concealed handgun license that if you take it out in public you'd better shoot it and you'd better be justified in shooting it. Just like when you buy a car you know you'd better not run over pedestrians.

 

[boombexus]

Concealed Weapons permits are not handed out like candy here as you seem to think.
There are some very intense background checks involved.
Usually those that do have a CCW are police officers so they can carry off duty. Also people who carry large sums of money to and from banks are allowed CCW's.
Not to many others are allowed to carry a weapon concealed.

We don't want all us unedumacated Amuurrrican cowboys shootin eachother up now ya hear.

*BANG* *BANG*

 

[emad]

good to know...

Now, why in bloody hell would a person want hollowpoints if they don't intend to kill?

 

[ledhed]

If you take it out and wave it arround you are ; (a) an idiot (b) not carrying concealed and liable to be arrested and have your permit revoked or (c) shot by a concerned citezen or the police who may think a person waving a loaded firearm around is a bad thing. choice b or c will certanly solve the idiot with gun problem..sort of like natural selection.

 

[boombexus]

Most people don't "intend" to kill anyone. But if the time comes, you might want something that's really effective at stopping someone.

 

[ledhed]

In your house be sure to use a shot gun. no 4 shot is best it wont tear up the walls too much and you dont have to worry about going through the walls and hitting grandma or the cat + it will ruin the day of any home invader(s). If you must use a handgun use sub sonic hollowpoints and still be shure of your backstop.

 

[emad]

In my house, i got a nice crowbar. In the streets, my left is enough. If i'm in a really bad bind, my right will provide more than sufficient backup that'll knock out even the biggest of aggressors (damn high school was fun)

 

[boombexus]

Remember that scene in the movie "Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark" when the guy in the crowd jumps out and starts flailing his fancy sword around at Indy. And then Indy just pulls out his revolver ever so casually and shoots him dead without even having to get close to the guy?

That was great.

 

[emad]

that was a cool scene - Probably one of the most umm...unique for an action movie simply because it lacked in the fancy stuff.

Btw, did you see the behind the scenes bit on that? They were supposed to be doing some fancy whip thing and they tried retaping that over and over and over but couldn't get it right. In the end, Harrison Ford was sick of the retries and just pulled his gun, shot and somehow they all agreed that the scene was perfect

 

[Danoff]

In my house, i got a nice crowbar.

Yup, just like Dr. Jones the criminal with the gun makes your crowbar useless.

And hollowpoints are designed to put a lot of momentum into a criminal rather than going through him and putting momentum into whatever is behind the wall that is behind the criminal.

If the 200 lb guy who is robbing you is running full speed, you want a bullet that can put some stopping power into him. Lots of rounds would go right through him and he might not realize he was shot until after you were dead.

They call guns the equalizer for a reason. It equalizes a 120 lb person with a 250 lb bodybuilder. It equalizes the defender with the criminal. Guns are the only way to effectively defend yourself against an criminal who would have access to lots of weapons.

 

[emad]

If that's what justifies it for you. It's still not enough to convince me to allow one anywhere near my house & family though

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by emad
If that's what justifies it for you. It's still not enough to convince me to allow one anywhere near my house & family though

All this means is that you have no confidence in yourself or your family.

 

[emad]

Originally posted by milefile
All this means is that you have no confidence in yourself or your family.

that makes absolutely no sense. I have enough confidence in the fact that i'm fully capable of defending myself. And i know for certain my Bro and Sis can do as well as me.

I also don't see a reason for me to have one considering i live in a place that has almost no violent crimes to worry about.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by emad
that makes absolutely no sense. I have enough confidence in the fact that i'm fully capable of defending myself. And i know for certain my Bro and Sis can do as well as me.

I also don't see a reason for me to have one considering i live in a place that has almost no violent crimes to worry about.

No. That makes no sense.

So you live in a pretty nice area? How nice for you. I bet you have a lot of nice things in your house. Maybe somebody would like to steal some of those nice things someday. Oh but you'll kick their ass right?

Chances are it'll never happen. But you have be the type to leave things to chance for that to matter in the slightest.

 

[emad]

nice city in that there are no crimes. I'm living in one of the poorest neighborhoods in town for reasons you already know that you also don't believe to be true (the person wasn't my uncle - much closer relation than that and was financially supporting the family). Even here, the worst crime is some dumbass kids vandalising somebody's car out of revenge.

Now, obviously, the gun has to be in a safe place like umm... a gun safe right? are you really going to have the time to first get up in the middle of the night while you're groggy, find your way to the safe, open it, get the gun out, check if it's loaded and then make your way to the robber. If by then he hasn't gotten to your kids first. Or do you leave your gun at your bedside where your kids can get to it? Or do you grab the first thing you can use as a weapon and make your way to him before he gets to your loved ones?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by emad
nice city in that there are no crimes. I'm living in one of the poorest neighborhoods in town for reasons you already know that you also don't believe to be true (the person wasn't my uncle - much closer relation than that and was financially supporting the family). Even here, the worst crime is some dumbass kids vandalising somebody's car out of revenge.

Now, obviously, the gun has to be in a safe place like umm... a gun safe right? are you really going to have the time to first get up in the middle of the night while you're groggy, find your way to the safe, open it, get the gun out, check if it's loaded and then make your way to the robber. If by then he hasn't gotten to your kids first. Or do you leave your gun at your bedside where your kids can get to it? Or do you grab the first thing you can use as a weapon and make your way to him before he gets to your loved ones?

You haven't thought much about this. There are gunsafes with four digit combinations punched into lighted keypads. There are fingerprint identification safes. You really should know if your gun is loaded or not. If you are prepared, which is a huge part of having a gun in the first place, it would take only a few seconds.

It doesn't seem coincidental to me that the people who make the argument you just made are also the ones who are usually not prepared, have not thought things through and considered ramifications and consequences. This is why they are always wining, and never exhaust their excuses for it.

 

[Pako]

I have gun ownership for sport, not defense. My dad, on the other hand, drives across Montana and Wyoming and keeps a legal sawed off shotgun in the motor home for defense. Just the sound of cocking that gun with one had will detour most perpetrators.

 

[ledhed]

Responsable ownership. know what to do with what you have when you need it. Why is that such a difficult concept to grasp ?