Heartfelt congratulations to Jammy for winning ITCC 3!

[Carbonox]

I was considering this, but with these timeslots, no way. Reminds me of Sprint Cup all over again.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

That was a classic race! 👍


A little bit of argey-bargey at the start, but I'll sort it out with replays.


That finish was classic! Less than a tenth of a second!

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Race 2 results: Willfred_1 receives grid position penalty, starts last for Feature Race.



I plan on reviewing the OP's information for those who aren't sure on the starting process.

 

[Furinkazen]

Been a bit busy, no Carrera's next week for me, will be there will a fully set up Ovlolv.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Wow, good race Sparkytooth! 👍 I almost had you, so many times!



But, ummm, what in the world was going on in the mid-field? Every lap, it seemed like someone had lost their position and fallen way down the order...

 

[sparkytooth]

Wow, good race Sparkytooth! 👍 I almost had you, so many times!



But, ummm, what in the world was going on in the mid-field? Every lap, it seemed like someone had lost their position and fallen way down the order...

Almost mel, almost

It was one of my better runs. TOCACC didn't go nearly as well as I wanted but I made up for it here

Also congrats to OLLY for dominating Feature race 2!!!

Really shows how strong our team is

Need to work on my scooby's acceleration though, I felt slightly slower on the straights compared to similar cars

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Willfred_1, I'd just like to point something out:


If you expect people to get past you without bumping, please allow them enough room to stay on the circuit.


There was one incident where Jammy_21 missed his braking point, in a clear mistake, but no one overtook you.


There was no reason for you to go around pushing/shoving your way along against, for example, me, who had done nothing wrong and was looking for a legitimate way to pass.


Please, three tips:

• The horn doesn't make you faster. It just irritates people.
• If someone's beside you, making a clear, and intentional move to hit them is not acceptable
• Hitting fellow Race Stewards, the Race Director, or the series director isn't a good idea.

Please review the replay of Qualifying Race 2, to examine the several clean, acceptable attempts made, to pass you, that you either honked at, pushed out of the way, or otherwise swerved to negate.

 

[sparkytooth]

So what do you think about the AWD vs FF vs FR conflict mel?

 

[whiskymaser]

So what do you think about the AWD vs FF vs FR conflict mel?

you forgot MR if i ever win something

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

you forgot MR if i ever win something

So what do you think about the AWD vs FF vs FR conflict mel?

In all honesty, FF needs to corner better, and have less power. Or, the other way around, AWD could handle worse, with more power.

I couldn't keep up with... Anything... outside of the corners, where I often caught up too fast and hit people, sorry for the small bumps.

 

[sparkytooth]

In all honesty, FF needs to corner better, and have less power. Or, the other way around, AWD could handle worse, with more power.

I couldn't keep up with... Anything... outside of the corners, where I often caught up too fast and hit people, sorry for the small bumps.

Me neither, not even with my own teammate

The Scooby/Evo is more of a corner monster. Part of my feature race 2 failure was that I braked too late and had too little acceleration (And also some on track influence from a third party during the final laps).

That freakin Volvo has crazy acceleration

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Me neither, not even with my own teammate

The Scooby/Evo is more of a corner monster. Part of my feature race 2 failure was that I braked too late and had too little acceleration (And also some on track influence during the final laps).

That freakin Volvo has crazy acceleration

The Evo is even worse than your Subaru for acceleration/top-speed, but it gains back everything against your Subaru in the braking, and then some. In terms of lap-times in practice, the Subaru takes it. If the Evo doesn't have draft, and the Subaru does, the Subaru takes it. If the Evo has the draft, though... It's a chess game, waiting to make the pass. You gave me a total of 1 opportunity to pass you. I took it, but you got past two corners later, using nothing but straight-line speed.

 

[sparkytooth]

The Evo is even worse than your Subaru for acceleration/top-speed, but it gains back everything against your Subaru in the braking, and then some. In terms of lap-times in practice, the Subaru takes it. If the Evo doesn't have draft, and the Subaru does, the Subaru takes it. If the Evo has the draft, though... It's a chess game, waiting to make the pass. You gave me a total of 1 opportunity to pass you. I took it, but you got past two corners later, using nothing but straight-line speed.

Don't forget withcraft

I still feel lacking in the acceleration department

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Don't forget withcraft

I still feel lacking in the acceleration department

Sorcery!



After doing some of the post-race videos, and following up on some incidents that I didn't see, I can only say one thing:


The first race, and the second race were not exactly very good for conduct. The Feature Races, however, were the best. 👍 👍 👍 👍 Thumbs up for the heads up driving, not too much bumping people off of the track in the feature races.


Oh, and I'm doing a Driver Biography section.

Included:

• Picture of the car
• Picture of the driver's racing suit/helmet
• Description of the team, and their "history" in GTP

For those of you who missed today's preseason tests, I'll grab your Driver Biographies at other tracks etc.

 

[whiskymaser]

In all honesty, FF needs to corner better, and have less power. Or, the other way around, AWD could handle worse, with more power.

I couldn't keep up with... Anything... outside of the corners, where I often caught up too fast and hit people, sorry for the small bumps.

whatever i don't see me even cracking the top five very soon but im sticking to it till i do then you can complain all you want

 

[braunracing88]

whatever i don't see me even cracking the top five very soon but im sticking to it till i do then you can complain all you want

Maybe next time, you should bring a proper touring car. Unless you want to use your Countach as a pace car, that is.
With that, should we do another preseason race, I think it should be on one of the less twisty circuits like Monza, Rome, or Daytona. Cape Ring South is certainly one of the twisty tracks and the earlier test racing gave us a good hint of our the cars perform on such a circuit. For the complete picture, a track with more straightaways would make a good second preseason race/test venue.
Also, with me, jammy, and wilfred having dark cars, I can imagine this could cause a visibility concern at Special Stage Route 5. My Impreza's color, in case you were wondering, is Plasma Blue Silica.

 

[Willfred_1]

Maybe next time, you should bring a proper touring car. Unless you want to use your Countach as a pace car, that is.
With that, should we do another preseason race, I think it should be on one of the less twisty circuits like Monza, Rome, or Daytona. Cape Ring South is certainly one of the twisty tracks and the earlier test racing gave us a good hint of our the cars perform on such a circuit. For the complete picture, a track with more straightaways would make a good second preseason race/test venue.
Also, with me, jammy, and wilfred having dark cars, I can imagine this could cause a visibility concern at Special Stage Route 5. My Impreza's color, in case you were wondering, is Plasma Blue Silica.

agreed we need to alter a few of the cars
about the colour if they cant see where my cars is in the daytime i don't think changing the colour will make a difference

was i right about a scooby winning the second race ?

stewards report to come soon

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

whatever i don't see me even cracking the top five very soon but im sticking to it till i do then you can complain all you want

You got a 7th, but it's in the wrong car, because...

Maybe next time, you should bring a proper touring car. Unless you want to use your Countach as a pace car, that is.

...braun has a point. Sorry, Riley, the Countach just doesn't fit as a touring car. I'd like to see something like this:

...which is exactly why I created this series with the car list that I did. All of the cars you can see in that photo are listed in the Original Post. It gives a certain "image" of professionalism, that I'm trying to achieve.

Yes, you're my best friend, and I appreciate your presence, but there are so many good cars in the game, you haven't even breached the best 40. 💡 Step out of your comfort zone, and you might find something even more comfortable!

With that, should we do another preseason race, I think it should be on one of the less twisty circuits like Monza, Rome, or Daytona. Cape Ring South is certainly one of the twisty tracks and the earlier test racing gave us a good hint of our the cars perform on such a circuit. For the complete picture, a track with more straightaways would make a good second preseason race/test venue.
Also, with me, jammy, and wilfred having dark cars, I can imagine this could cause a visibility concern at Special Stage Route 5. My Impreza's color, in case you were wondering, is Plasma Blue Silica.

There were five preseason races in ITCC 1. ITCC 1 was a real tester, just to see if the cars could work well together. And, they did, sort of. Tire wear was too much of a concern, the racing was entirely based on the driveline type, no one with an FF had a chance to win by the end of the race. Their second set of tires was almost pooched. FRs could finish the race without pitting, at all, if the "you must pit" rule wasn't there.


There were three preseason races in ITCC 2. ITCC 2, as you know, was extremely closely contested, because we had already gotten a full season of testing under our belts. But, ITCC 2 ran into a problem with very poor conduct, and the complaints were rampant.


So, for ITCC 3, my plan is to try to clean up the driving, and really polish the driving standards in preseason, so that everyone can start off with good, clean races, and not be taken out of every race... Something that happened in ITCC 1 way too often.


That was then, this is now.


There are going to be a lot of preseason tests, at least 3. Their locations, as you may have guessed, will gradually differ. We started out on a relatively wide circuit; there was lots of room for side-by-side racing. There weren't too many crashes that were caused by poor driver conduct. Sure, lots of small bumps, but that's permitted in the OP. Anything bigger than, let's say, a 5 km/h impact, may incur a small penalty. 10+ km/h impact, from one car to another, and you'll be looking at a rather harsh penalty.


So, I'm ramping up the penalties, during preseason, to ensure that people understand and agree with them, before the season actually starts, and points are accumulated. However, I'm also ramping up the difficulty of the tracks. We started on a track with enough room (and, I've got photos to prove this) to go 6-wide into turn 1, and still not have a crash.


If we went to, for example, Madrid, this would simply not be the case. Expect a preseason at Madrid for preseason Round 3, or 4. Tokyo, may be one of the others, along with SSR5; our next track.


SSR5 is another "wide" track, with plenty of room for people to give each other, through the first few corners. Thankfully, also, the circuit has a few racing lines, rather than just one; Cape Ring South really only had that one racing line, passing was super-hard.


TL;DR?

Here's the preseason track roster:

1. Cape Ring South
2. Special Stage Route 5
3. Tokyo or Madrid
4. Tokyo or Madrid

This choice was made to simply avoid the horrible chaos of Season 1's biggest mistake; starting the season on a city course.

agreed we need to alter a few of the cars
about the colour if they cant see where my cars is in the daytime i don't think changing the colour will make a difference

was i right about a scooby winning the second race ?

stewards report to come soon

The Trollvo got second.


Also, I was perfectly capable of seeing your car, Willfred. The problem isn't the visibilty; it's the connection. You, and whiskymaser were unable to see each other, due to a glitch in GT5's coding that occurs only on the interwebs.

 

[braunracing88]

I ran some testing at Tokyo earlier and got a best lap of 1:54.420. Tested at Rome with the same setup before that and got a fastest lap of 1:18.360. I also tested a slightly different version of the Rome and Tokyo setup at the Nürburgring GP/D and ran a 1:38.450. The only changes made between each setup tested are downforce and suspension adjustments. That is all.
Other test times for my Plasma Blue Silica Impreza are as follows:
SSR5: 1:31.065
Trial Mountain: 1:33.839
Suzuka East: 0:54.290
Monza: 2:06.080

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

I ran some testing at Tokyo earlier and got a best lap of 1:54.420. Tested at Rome with the same setup before that and got a fastest lap of 1:18.360. I also tested a slightly different version of the Rome and Tokyo setup at the Nürburgring GP/D and ran a 1:38.450. The only changes made between each setup tested are downforce and suspension adjustments. That is all.

No gearbox setup changes? That's a big part of ITCC; you should make sure that the gearbox isn't A) redlining nor B) 100 km/h too long. Both will make you way too slow on the straightaways.


By the way, for an interesting comparison of the different seasons, a 1:14 was possible in Season 1, at Rome, a 1:17 was a good lap time in Season 2, and a 1:18 is decent for Season 3. 👍 👍 With draft, in Season 1, 1:13s were possible.


Edit:

 

[braunracing88]

No gearbox setup changes? That's a big part of ITCC; you should make sure that the gearbox isn't A) redlining nor B) 100 km/h too long. Both will make you way too slow on the straightaways.


By the way, for an interesting comparison of the different seasons, a 1:14 was possible in Season 1, at Rome, a 1:17 was a good lap time in Season 2, and a 1:18 is decent for Season 3. 👍 👍 With draft, in Season 1, 1:13s were possible.

I run a 6-speed close ratio gearbox. Which I've found to be adequate for the tracks I've run the car on so far. I'm very aware that having the gear ratios too close together can hurt the car's acceleration, which is something I want to avoid. Tracks like Monza, Tokyo, Daytona, and maybe Indianapolis are definitely gonna see use of 6th gear. The car has a good deal of torque, anyway, and making the gear ratios too short could see me spinning the tires much more easily on acceleration. Which is another thing I want to avoid.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Ahhhh, I see. To each, their own.


I use the Fully Adjustable gearbox, because I've seen, first-hand, the difference that a short shift time (sequential) with a good power-curve will make, vs. a manual (longer shift time) with a poor power-curve...


I like to make sure that my Evo stays on its power curve. The curve is, as far as ITCC cars go, very peaky.

 

[Willfred_1]

The Trollvo got second.


Also, I was perfectly capable of seeing your car, Willfred. The problem isn't the visibilty; it's the connection. You, and whiskymaser were unable to see each other, due to a glitch in GT5's coding that occurs only on the interwebs.

firstly i'm not talking about the issue of being able to see other cars in reference to invisible cars
braun point was if i change the colour of my car would that help
however there was an awd 123 in most of races and i was the only one in a fr and he trollvo was used once or twice while i was there however it seems to me awd have a clear advantage
firstly with the standing starts then with the corner exits
its clear how good they are by how many was on the grid last night

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

firstly i'm not talking about the issue of being able to see other cars in reference to invisible cars
braun point was if i change the colour of my car would that help
however there was an awd 123 in most of races and i was the only one in a fr and he trollvo was used once or twice while i was there however it seems to me awd have a clear advantage
firstly with the standing starts then with the corner exits
its clear how good they are by how many was on the grid last night

Lancer also used an MR Clio, he was "surprised" by how slow it is.


There are no FF cars because so many of the drivers here "don't like" FF cars. Oh, and because polarbear345, furinkazen, and a few others were missing.


4WD cars are slightly faster in the corners. I don't know what sort of regulations I can use to slow them down, to be honest, because, according to braun, adding weight to the AWD cars makes them faster.


However, as several people have noted, the Volvo has the best acceleration and top speed, so there are tracks that will favour different cars. Certainly, my Evo will not be close to competitive at Daytona, but Lancer may not be fast at, for example, Madrid.


In testing, my Evo was, again, on the exact pace as the Subaru. The FF cars I tested were able to run a tenth or two slower, without a decent tuning setup. The fact that the AWD cars were up front might not have to do with the cars, but rather, perhaps, simply the number of AWD cars in attendance today.


Concluding: the AWDs may receive more weight, but there's only so much weight that can be added. FFs are also much faster in the straights, and might come into their own later on in the season.


I will test, and announce new AWD specs with slight additions of weight, at a later date/time.



Oh, and that poor video... The quality is so bad!

 

[braunracing88]

Ahhhh, I see. To each, their own.


I use the Fully Adjustable gearbox, because I've seen, first-hand, the difference that a short shift time (sequential) with a good power-curve will make, vs. a manual (longer shift time) with a poor power-curve...


I like to make sure that my Evo stays on its power curve. The curve is, as far as ITCC cars go, very peaky.

What's the torque rating on the Evo?

firstly i'm not talking about the issue of being able to see other cars in reference to invisible cars
braun point was if i change the colour of my car would that help
however there was an awd 123 in most of races and i was the only one in a fr and he trollvo was used once or twice while i was there however it seems to me awd have a clear advantage
firstly with the standing starts then with the corner exits
its clear how good they are by how many was on the grid last night

I still have two copies of the car's current paint color in my items menu, so if I did repaint it, I can still put it back at the original color. Yes, I bought it from the dealership in that color.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

^ Season 1! 👍 and again, polar, for the commentary and such.




Oh, and braun, the torque rating on the Evo is something like 410 hp. But, it's peaky, and for some reason, notoriously slow in a straight line.

 

[Willfred_1]

^ Season 1! 👍 and again, polar, for the commentary and such.

if in future you plan to do commentry give me the audio file and i can dub it over the replay in my video editor it'll be better then

can we not just reduce the power further for awds

 

[Willfred_1]

AS there is nothing specific about penualtys i will use this
Penalty System v2.0:

Crossing the pit exit line will result in a 10s penalty, regardless of if you are around another car or not.

A collision that results in another driver losing control of their car will result in a 5s penalty multiplied by positions lost.

A collision that has clear intent to force another driver to lose control will result in a 10s penalty multiplied by positions lost.

When a driver overtakes unfairly and fails to yield within a reasonable time, a 20s penalty will be applied on top of any other penalties.

The disadvantaged driver has 1 opportunity to reclaim his position. If the driver spins or crashes while another driver is trying to yield, no penalty will be applied except for the contact.

Slight contact and taps will be allowed, but excessive force will result in a penalty.

If a driver disconnects after causing a collision worthy of a penalty, the penalty will be applied to their next completed race.

Using a car that failures to meet the regulations (e.g. Using an illegal engine upgrade) will result in you being disqualified from the event.

Offenders that receive 5 or more penalties will get a further 10s penalty on their next penalty given.

Discussion of collisions between the drivers is forbidden in the thread. All discussion must take place using the private messaging service.


The penalty system may be altered after an incident to result in more appropriate action applied if it occurs again.

Discussion of any kind of incidents(e.g. posting youtube clips), before action is taken, will result in the penalty being halved.

Post race rage (either in lounge or on thread) must end 10 minutes after the end of the race, any foul language/abuse after this time will result in your qualifying time being wiped for the next round.

*note if you are going to retire from a race please pull into the pits like a gentlemen racer plz or risk losing your points for that round!

The overtaking driver must be in full control of their vehicle and be prepared to abandon the overtake if contact is looking possible. Also known as avoidable contact!
when battles occur no driver can be forced of the track

 

[Willfred_1]

Corrected results after penalties
qualifying 1
drivers penualtys
jam
ettick
mel
bruan 40s
will
whisky
olly 5s
sparky 35s

corrected finish order

1jam
2mel
3olly
4 will
5 whisky
6 sparky
7 bruan

Quali 2
drivers penalties

sparky 30s
lancer caution
olly
jam 25s
mel 20s
bruan caution
ettick
whisky
will 10s
Corrected order
1 olly
2 lancer
3 bruan
4 ettick
5 mel
6 sparky
7 will
8 jam

feature one

only olly and braun got penalties both were 20s
so finish order is
1 sparky
2 mel
3 jam
4 lancer
5 will
6 bruan
7 olly
8 ettick
i did not race in race 2 so do not have a replay to analyze

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

So, suddenly, this is Joe's series?


Also, we *can't* just reduce the power further on the AWDs, that would be ridiculously unfair. My Evo would be a full second slower at 266 hp. And, we can't make the FFs faster by giving them more power, either, because they're already faster than the 4WDs on the straights.


We're going to add 25 kg. To the Evo, and 20 kg. To the Subarus, so that they both weigh 1350 kg.


And, on the topic of accidents, and penalties, woops... Is that your input, officially? The ITCC posts proof, as either a photo, or a video, of what happened, and Private Message them, detailing the reason for the penalty, so it can be fairly understood.


Putting a number beside someone's name, in all honesty, just seems to be an uneven/unfair way to assess the siuation. No one knows where the incident occurred, just that an incident occurred. Ooops. I might make the same mistake the week after, because what did I do wrong in the first place?