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Ignorant much?
I see plenty of people talking about F1, Grand-Am and ALMS. It's not hard to see racing on the internet.
How NASCAR Will Fare?
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Ignorant much?
I see plenty of people talking about F1, Grand-Am and ALMS. It's not hard to see racing on the internet.
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I'm talking more about the masses than the select few on sites such as this.
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So much fanfare about how it was a bad move by PD to get the NASCAR license
Nothing is said about the WRC.
I checked the WRC forum here at GT planet. Nothing but a bunch of useless threads and old polls taling about who is your favorite WRC team or which car looks the best or something else not related to the actual racing.
Any recent threads about the actual racing this year?
I saw this one
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114083
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Obviously GTplanet is a worldwide community, so where are the WRC fans? If the racing was so great or if it belonged in GT so much more then NASCAR where are the fans?
It's like SuperGT, people go on and on about how great it is but do they actually follow it? No.
If your going to hate PD for including NASCAR when you think it has no fanbase or does not belong in GT, also hate them for including the WRC.
Please be fair and balanced, and not a hater.
Nothing is said about the WRC.
I checked the WRC forum here at GT planet. Nothing but a bunch of useless threads and old polls taling about who is your favorite WRC team or which car looks the best or something else not related to the actual racing.
Any recent threads about the actual racing this year?
I saw this one
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=114083
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Obviously GTplanet is a worldwide community, so where are the WRC fans? If the racing was so great or if it belonged in GT so much more then NASCAR where are the fans?
It's like SuperGT, people go on and on about how great it is but do they actually follow it? No.
If your going to hate PD for including NASCAR when you think it has no fanbase or does not belong in GT, also hate them for including the WRC.
Please be fair and balanced, and not a hater.
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Big threads usually = arguments, not people saying how wonderful something is
You dont get 1000 post thread on F1 with people saying "F1 is cool", "nah, its awesome" "DAMN YOU!! ITS NOT AWESOME ITS COOL!!". However what you do get is "NASCAR is cool", "No, NASCAR is not real motorsport/boring/requires no skill" Then a bunch of NASCAR fans replying. See how that works? Having the most replies to a thread simply means its the most controversial.
Nobody is arguing that F1 isn't a great form of motorsport, and I'm sure if you add up the worldwide people who watch it, are interested in it, respect it and dream about driving an F1 car, it'd be more than NASCAR.
EDIT: What surprises me is the size of the V8 supercars thread... the population of Australia is less than 1/10th that of the US, and I'd suggest a large majority of them dont give a damn about V8s.
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Big threads usually = arguments, not people saying how wonderful something is
Having the most replies to a thread simply means its the most controversial.
Nobody is arguing that F1 isn't a great form of motorsport, and I'm sure if you add up the worldwide people who watch it, are interested in it, respect it and dream about driving an F1 car, it'd be more than NASCAR.
EDIT: What surprises me is the size of the V8 supercars thread... the population of Australia is less than 1/10th that of the US, and I'd suggest a large majority of them dont give a damn about V8s.
+1:tup: You bring up a good point.
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Big threads usually = arguments, not people saying how wonderful something is
Having the most replies to a thread simply means its the most controversial.
Nobody is arguing that F1 isn't a great form of motorsport, and I'm sure if you add up the worldwide people who watch it, are interested in it, respect it and dream about driving an F1 car, it'd be more than NASCAR.
EDIT: What surprises me is the size of the V8 supercars thread... the population of Australia is less than 1/10th that of the US, and I'd suggest a large majority of them dont give a damn about V8s.
Please don't attempt to educate me on what goes on in the NASCAR thread
Please, have a look yourself at the most recent page
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=88326&page=78
Where are the arguments, nascar is cool/nascar takes skill/nascar is better then this comments?
That's right. They're not there.
Instead you have talk about the races, the results, and happenings in the sport.
Just another lame attempt to downplay the popularity of NASCAR which has failed, miserably.
EDIT: Help yourself if you want to look troll the rest of the thread for your arguments and other figments of your imagination. You may find the occasional fool, but that's it.
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Oh yeah... my mistake... the reason its so big is because its been going for 3 years
You can't really compare it to threads that aren't as old. The MotoGP thread has only been going 3 and a half months. Also, many of the threads are only seasonal ones (ie. 2009, 2008, etc).But what's the point of comparing thread size anyway? Its not a measure of popularity, its a measure of how much individual people want to chat about it. I randomly clicked on a page of that thread, out of 20 posts, 6 of them were from a single person. It just means the particular NASCAR fans who are on this forum like to chat about it. And the thing about SpeedTV... that means very little... we dont even get SpeedTV here. I'm sure if we got it out here, I'd be there posting about V8 supercars and F1.
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WolfRacer543Oh yeah... my mistake... the reason its so big is because its been going for 3 years
And the V8 Supercar thread has been there for 5 years
: 👎As for seasonal threads, I combined all the ALMS related posts. 1,381, still short of the NASCAR thread
Then I did a search for threads with "NASCAR" in the thread title, just like I did with ALMS. There was about 500 posts in 40 threads. So I'm done with that.
WolfRacer543
And the same doesn't hold true for the other threads? Go take a look at them.
WolfRacer
speedTV is the only channel in the United States dedicated to motorsports. So it does not mean very little. The large amount of posts in the NASCAR general discussion at the speedTV forum shows the sports popularity in the United States, thus the reason why PD included the cars, to help sales in the U.S.
The whining about NASCAR in GT5 can stop now
My thoughts on NASCAR in GT is that it is a mistake! NASCAR is too big, especially the in the U.S. to be add-on to a CONSOLE game. I would to love to see a PC sim racing developer, i.e., Simbin develop a NASCAR game from the ground-up. Consider NASCAR's 40+ car field, all the different tracks, drivers, and cars. The point system, the Chase for the Cup... NASCAR in GT, IMO, is an insult to NASCAR sim racing fans when you consider what was offered by most recent PC NASCAR game, NASCAR Racing 2003. Unfortunately, EA locked up the NASCAR license and wrecked the series.
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DUDE...you sound like Xbox360 fanboy turned NASCAR fanboy...Why you hating on someone so hard for merely voicing their own personal opinion?
It's amazing that even after so long away from GTP, there's still a ton of ignorant mo-fos hating on others when it comes to a difference of OPINION and/or personal taste!
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I am a NASCAR PC sim racing fan. In fact, I just got done racing NASCAR 2003 Season by Papyrus online today vs a field of 25 cars.
And I do not take the inclusion of the cars in GT5 as an insult.
I agree with you that a great PC sim company can give the racing series far more justice, but Sprint Cup stock cars in GT5 isn't stopping them from doing that.
It should be noted that the NASCAR license is not exclusive to Polyphony Digital. EA made a deal with NASCAR for the series to be exclusive to them, but PD has not done such
NASCAR (in some form) is coming to iRacing as well as GT.
Papyrus made the best NASCAR sim, NASCAR 2003 but the company since closed.
PD never claimed that GT5 will be the ultimate NASCAR experience, most likely they're just giving us the cars, which they needed a license for.
In fact it would be wrong if PD put too much emphasis on NASCAR in GT5. Each racing discipline in GT5 should receive an equal and fair share of the pie.
My point is
NASCAR in GT5 = just the cars and perhaps official races at Daytona, Infineon and Indianapolis.. Shouldn't expect anymore or any less.
SimRaceDriver
Personal opinion = lame excuse to say a stupid comment
Example
"Formula 1 takes no skill. It's all about the car. The cars drive themselves. There is no passing and the races are dreadfully boring. Who wants to watch cars run parade laps for 90 minutes. Lame. My opinion."
So ignorant comments are OK because they are a personal opinion
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In my opinion, while going down a straight away at speeds of over 210+/- and then turning left, while maybe not always needing to 'let off the throttle' does take some serious skills, it's not the funnest thing for ME to watch. I'm more into road courses and the excitement it brings, as indicated in one of the previous YT vids posted of a race in Mexico (I think it was there?) where one car hopped the curb just shy of the finish line.
TO ME...THAT'S EXCITEMENT!
Thus, I'm telling you what I like/dislike and thus, I don't need you or anyone else for that matter telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, or that I don't know enough about NASCAR in order to voice my own opinion.
Matter of fact, I think anytime someone says "In my opinion", whether or not they're fully knowledgeable in a given subject or area is irrelevant and does NOT give a 'fanboy/fangirl' the right to outright/blatantly attack someone for not knowing as much on the subject being discussed as YOU.
All your posts have shown your thorough knowledge regarding NASCAR, its history and you come across as someone who knows their sh** and I respect that...ON THE OTHER HAND, at the same time, your outright dis-respect to others who may not share the same level of knowledge and/or excitement concerning NASCAR needs to be tuned down!
While this is NOT a public forum, it is a forum open for discussion and I would hope that at the age of some of the posters in this thread, some of you would show your AGE and not your shoe size...or worse, come across like an INTERNET TOUGH GUY, for the simple fact that if I was talking to you face-to-face in the real world and not in some internet forum, and happened to voice my own thoughts/beliefs about NASCAR, you'd certainly would NOT call me an 'idiot', for fear of getting your ass-kicked!
If someone says something that you know to be false or based on some preconceived perception, then by all means back up your rebuttal with facts , wisdom and/or personal experience or knowledge and not with an attitude I'd expect from a 14 year old school yard bully!
Personally, I'd love to see a NASCAR COT on any road course do battle with say a GT1 C6 Zo6...IF...PD has gone about updating the previous C5R to a C6R...if not, then maybe the Viper or something similar!
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SimRaceDriver
I've said what I've said and stand by it. Nothing I have said here I wouldn't say to you or anyone else face to face. But I would not call you, or anyone else an idiot in person or on the internet. I have more respect for people then that.
Some people posting in this thread are misinformed or lack some or any amount of knowledge of the subject they are trying to debate. This can be frustrating to someone who sees the flaws in their comments, which can sometimes (really most of the time) be outrageous.
For example, in the first paragraph of your post. You say ".... speeds of over 210+/- and then turning left, while maybe not always needing to 'let off the throttle'". You appear to imply that because the turns are all left handed they are somehow easier then if some were right handed? You also imply that most NASCAR tracks are full throttle all the way around or require very little lifting or braking. This of course is wrong. You have no idea how much this would irritate me if you went on and tried to attack the sport after displaying an obvious lack of knowledge concerning it. BUT you have not tried to criticize it. Therefore while your comment is incorrect I can overlook it because you do not try to give an "opinion" on a subject you have shown to know very little about.
You appear to be a F1 fan. Now imagine if I or someone else started typing comments about F1 that either twisted the truth about the sport, were blatant lies, or/and disrespected fans of the series which you are. (ie calling them rednecks which a moderator has done here)
Of course you would be upset and your reply might show that.
I have a feeling you and others think me and anyone defending the sport are too harsh not just because of our speech, but also because you agree with what they're saying.
BTW, A Corvette C6R GT1 would eat a stock car alive. It has much better aero, most likely bigger better slicks and most importantly, weighs 1,000 lbs less.
If it is not going to be done fully then why include NASCAR in the Ultimate Driving Simulator? I'm sure the fans of rally racing have been saying the same thing since GT2. I'd rather them leave it out totally than to get a half-hearted effort. In fact, by including NASCAR, they take away development time the areas of GT that really need work. I believe any simulator that tries to do much comes up short overall. We need not look any further than Toca Race Car Driver 2 and 3 for the proof.
Absolutely not! If you are going to do NASCAR, do it 100 percent on whatever system - the PC and/or the consoles. At least EA tried and failed miserably to do NASCAR for the console.
I think the NASCAR inclusion for GT5 is to broaden its appeal for marketing. There is no question that NASCAR is the dominate motorsport in America. PD is simply capitalizing on that popularity. At the same time, NASCAR gets face time in an immensely popular CONSOLE driving game. The winners? PD and NASCAR. The losers? Console gamers who love NASCAR and have never experienced NASCAR Racing on a PC.
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Why include Super GT cars but no full Super GT Championship? Why include DTM cars and no full DTM Championship? The same thing could be said for every car from a real life racing series in GT. I'm glad Polyphony Digital have given us so many racing cars including the CoT because I can get a small taste of what the cars are really like.
You could say that about any new feature Polyphony Digital have added to GT5.
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And the V8 Supercar thread has been there for 5 years
Well lets do some maths then, 1550 posts in 3 years = 43 posts per month for NASCAR, and 1120 posts in 5 years for V8s = 19 posts per month.
Sooooo, does that mean that NASCAR is twice as popular compared to V8s?
My point is the size of the thread is completely irrelevant. Just because there's a few enthusiasts who hang around this forum who keep making posts is no indication of popularity world wide. All it tells you is there's a few people who like chatting about it. Threads like THIS thread tell you how many people DONT like NASCAR.
If PD announced that V8 supercars, or ALMs, or DTM, or F1, or F3000, or Formula BMW were going to be in GT5, no one would complain.
Personally I find NASCAR more entertaining to watch on TV than to actually play in a game
But that said, I dont really watch any motorsport religously. I'll only watch motorsport if I've got nothing else to do and I'm too lazy to get my wheel out to actually play a racing game.
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Why is that?
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Because those other series are all just the same regular track racing. If you like racing of any discription, it'd be hard to dislike any of those series... you might like one more than another, but few people who like one would hate another. NASCAR is a different style that not everyone would like, its easy to love, say, formula BMW, but hate NASCAR. (not saying I personally hate it, but at the same time I dont want it either and would rather PD spend more time on other endeavours).
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I am praying they make a version of GT5 without NASCAR so we can really see who wants it and who doesnt. Until then the whinning should stop. This thread is like a car crash on the highway... Everyones eyes are being distracted from what they really should be looking at.
Also, to this "Redneck" term being thrown around... Rednecks built the greatest country in the world, and continue to keep it the greatest country in the world. And to anyone that has a white collar on and is degrading people, they should be thankful, not acting like they are better... because you certainly are not.
Also, to this "Redneck" term being thrown around... Rednecks built the greatest country in the world, and continue to keep it the greatest country in the world. And to anyone that has a white collar on and is degrading people, they should be thankful, not acting like they are better... because you certainly are not.
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Or better yet, when GT5 is out, you can make a poll - "Do you participate in NASCAR races in GT5?" Sounds a lot easier than having Polyphony Digital release two games with one minor difference!
Well, that's a matter of opinion, some might think North Korea is the greatest country in the world.
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Maybe you haven't noticed how much people lie in your life, but I have noticed. Sales dont lie.
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Nascar might bring some new players from usa but it seems a waste of a effort for the rest of the world. We europeans won't see nascar as motorsport but more like all weekend entertaiment show. Nascar seems very stupid from a car enthusiast perspective(simple machines driving in oval), but is great entertaiment for spectacle lovers.
The only question is what else could have been done with the money and effort that went into nascar.
Rally racing is of course closer to me as i am finnish but rally simulation has never been the strongest part of the series. Nobody knows how these racing serie'e are implimented and if people pleyers like them or not.
One thing is for sure that GT needs something really new as competition is very though nowdays. Nascar might be one of those new "cool" things wheter i like it or not that makes GT differentiate from forza.
The only question is what else could have been done with the money and effort that went into nascar.
Rally racing is of course closer to me as i am finnish but rally simulation has never been the strongest part of the series. Nobody knows how these racing serie'e are implimented and if people pleyers like them or not.
One thing is for sure that GT needs something really new as competition is very though nowdays. Nascar might be one of those new "cool" things wheter i like it or not that makes GT differentiate from forza.
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Thats completely wrong, especially when you are a real car enthusiast you appreciate NASCAR. Im from Germany and love the series since my childhood, but not because of crashes, i love it because of the sound, close racing and the imo awesome look of the cars. Its one of the purest forms of real motorsport because not the team wih the biggest budget to buy new technology wins (like Diesel is already more or less ruining Le Mans and WTCC), but the best and most experienced guys (money still plays a roll of course but not in the dimension how it is in the F1 for example).
How NASCAR gets advertised and hyped is a different thing, thats really stupid sometimes.
How NASCAR gets advertised and hyped is a different thing, thats really stupid sometimes.
Pitting a Super GT car against a GT1 car would be the best showdown in my opinion.
I know that the GT1 GTR has around 600 hp and 600+ torque. The weight of the car is around 2600?
The Super GT's GTR has around 500 hp and 300+ torque. However, it is 200lbs lighter than the GT1 and also has better aerodynamics.
Showdown of the century! 👍
I know that the GT1 GTR has around 600 hp and 600+ torque. The weight of the car is around 2600?
The Super GT's GTR has around 500 hp and 300+ torque. However, it is 200lbs lighter than the GT1 and also has better aerodynamics.
Showdown of the century! 👍
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