I'm thinking about standard cars in GT7

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*Sigh* I know one of you want's to get the word but can we please get back on topic? We're taking this too far...
Yes; if i see a standard car in GT7 which is supposed to awe potential buyers with next gen eye candy, i'm gonna laugh... very loud.

Sad that people are already even expecting this in a way, and some wouldn't even have problems with it... Where are your standards?? :lol:
 
Yes; if i see a standard car in GT7 which is supposed to awe potential buyers with next gen eye candy, i'm gonna laugh... very loud.

Sad that people are already even expecting this in a way, and some wouldn't even have problems with it... Where are your standards?? :lol:
Them low res PS2 assets in my PS4 game? *Sells said game* :)

No matter what, standard cars must not, and I mean, must NOT, be included in GT7. That'll just be massively silly and will give PD a very bad image.
 
Them low res PS2 assets in my PS4 game? *Sells said game* :)

No matter what, standard cars must not, and I mean, must NOT, be included in GT7. That'll just be massively silly and will give PD a very bad image.
It will at least, justifiably or not, give them the image of lazy, since they cannot be bothered to model most of those "standard cars" from ground zero in order to get them to current-gen standards.
 
That's not an assumption or speculation. That's a blatant statement that PD is considering doing something and there is zero evidence to support it.
There is also zero evidence to support that they've decided not to include standards in GT7, and since we don't know if the decision is made or not, we discuss it. Saying PD is "considering" something, only means they are going through the thought process, which is as likely a scenario as any other at this point.
 
I don't think PD will be that idiotic to re-use car models from two console generations ago. They didn't re-use GT1/2 models in GT5/6, and it's safe to assume that PD have established a proper middle ground.
 
I don't think PD will be that idiotic to re-use car models from two console generations ago. They didn't re-use GT1/2 models in GT5/6, and it's safe to assume that PD have established a proper middle ground.
But they didn't re-use GT1/2 models in GT4 either, and there was only one generation of difference at the time. It seems their vision has changed since the release of GT4, so everything is possible when you think about all of the choices PD has been making over the past few years.
 
But they didn't re-use GT1/2 models in GT4 either, and there was only one generation of difference at the time. It seems their vision has changed since the release of GT4, so everything is possible when you think about all of the choices PD has been making over the past few years.
They didn't need to reuse models in GT4 because they weren't unfamiliar with the PS2 hardware at that point. GT3 was scratching the surface and they therefore saw fit to cull the car count to avoid disparity that including models from a previous generation would cause, so by the time GT4 came around, PD already had the know-how of creating a large car list with models of equal fidelity.
I will agree with the point that PD's vision definitely has changed since the release of GT4, with their visions seemingly surpassing the boundaries of the PS3's architecture, which they are only getting used to now.
 
They didn't need to reuse models in GT4 because they weren't unfamiliar with the PS2 hardware at that point. GT3 was scratching the surface and they therefore saw fit to cull the car count to avoid disparity that including models from a previous generation would cause, so by the time GT4 came around, PD already had the know-how of creating a large car list with models of equal fidelity.
I will agree with the point that PD's vision definitely has changed since the release of GT4, with their visions seemingly surpassing the boundaries of the PS3's architecture, which they are only getting used to now.
I agree. One of PS4's greatest virtues is having a very friendly architecture, so PD cannot use the architecture argument to maintain standard cars anymore.
 
There is also zero evidence to support that they've decided not to include standards in GT7, and since we don't know if the decision is made or not, we discuss it. Saying PD is "considering" something, only means they are going through the thought process, which is as likely a scenario as any other at this point.

All I meant was that there's a difference between saying "if they do it" and saying "they're thinking about doing it." We don't know what options PD has been tossing around. But when someone says "PD is thinking about doing x," it's taken as fact and that changes the nature of the conversation. That's all. I'm done arguing semantics, it's not that big a deal, let's please move on.
 
If we take speculation a notch up...
How if PD uses standards to get what they want.
-Hey Mazda, if we dont get ....(where .... = whatever you think they want) we are putting your cars in GT7 as standards and that as original standards. Now we could upgrade them to GT6 standards and if you really want to promote your cars you accept our premium package. Your cars will shine in 1080p detail and if all goes well even in 4k photomode. Now the last feature is coming later, but you pay of course now. Deal?

In business dirty methods are allowed ;)
 
The XJR-9 was free in GT5?

To be fair, PD hasn't charged money for cars in GT6 yet because they've not bothered to offer that "quantum leap" of "monthly" DLC packs.

I can't imagine PD would ever even consider adding something like this to a PS4 game of any sort:

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Ok the XJR-9 is an exception but at least that came with many other new cars. Turn 10 are charging for cars that were already previously in the game without new cars which is unacceptable and is yet another reason why I have a strong dislike towards Microsoft.
 
If we take speculation a notch up...
How if PD uses standards to get what they want.
-Hey Mazda, if we dont get ....(where .... = whatever you think they want) we are putting your cars in GT7 as standards and that as original standards. Now we could upgrade them to GT6 standards and if you really want to promote your cars you accept our premium package. Your cars will shine in 1080p detail and if all goes well even in 4k photomode. Now the last feature is coming later, but you pay of course now. Deal?

In business dirty methods are allowed ;)
Mazda's response:

Let me get this straight. You want us to pay you to upgrade cars in a videogame that are going to make you more money? Take a hike..:lol:
 
It will at least, justifiably or not, give them the image of lazy, since they cannot be bothered to model most of those "standard cars" from ground zero in order to get them to current-gen standards.
Excatly. :)👍 So I hope PD makes a good decision and ditches them, but something is keep telling me they won't let them go because they want to see their car list above others, but that's bad a mistake.

Ok the XJR-9 is an exception but at least that came with many other new cars. Turn 10 are charging for cars that were already previously in the game without new cars which is unacceptable and is yet another reason why I have a strong dislike towards Microsoft.
It still doesn't excuse PD for reselling a car that was a stardard car at first. They did it to the BRZ and that N24 2012 GT-R racecar as well, by reusing models that were currently there and one that was added for free. PD could just do that again if they wanted to for GT6. :sly:
 
My fear is that they shove in Premium GT5/6 models and those models will look glaringly less impressive than cars built just for GT7 and the PS4. We didn't notice the flaws on GT4 car models until we saw GTHD.

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DriveClub will sadly be missed. :( But I understand why it was cancelled.


Really?

This was in a news article from yesterday, looks like Driveclub is the new Gran Turismo 5:

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According to emails sent by Dell to their customers, PS4 exclusive Driveclub will release on 12 June.

Dell has also published the 12 June release date for Driveclub on their website.

There have been a smattering of rumours regarding possible release dates for the delayed Driveclub, with a number suggesting that Driveclub will release in early April.

It is, of course, possible that the release date published by Dell represents another false dawn, but it's notable that 12 June is the last day of E3 2014.

We can imagine a situation where Sony shows off new footage of Driveclub at E3 and then does one of those '...and it's available right now' deals.
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This was in a news article from yesterday, looks like Driveclub is the new Gran Turismo 5:

"
According to emails sent by Dell to their customers, PS4 exclusive Driveclub will release on 12 June.

Dell has also published the 12 June release date for Driveclub on their website.

There have been a smattering of rumours regarding possible release dates for the delayed Driveclub, with a number suggesting that Driveclub will release in early April.

It is, of course, possible that the release date published by Dell represents another false dawn, but it's notable that 12 June is the last day of E3 2014.

We can imagine a situation where Sony shows off new footage of Driveclub at E3 and then does one of those '...and it's available right now' deals.
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Wow does this game have a lot of rumors, ugh... :indiff:
 
I think these two posts embody a problem around here.
Let's just hope PD aren't thinking of standard cars in GT7 like certain people here are.
You=/= everyone.
A number of post =/= everyone. The cycle of realistic graphics is funny, because if PS3 graphics are realistic. What will be PS4, PS5, PS6 or PS7 graphics for you and people which believe PS3 can make realistic graphics? More realistic than reality?

I agree GT looks great, but as i said many friends and me were never tricked by GT, because reality looks so much better.
The problem is that, for too many people here, negative remarks and attitudes about Gran Turismo are automatically true, and anyone who actually likes the game and DARES to say anything good about it is full of wrongness. And some wonder why a few old hands have departed for saner pastures...

The kicker is that a lot of these arguments are purely driven by opinion. There is no empirical truth that states, "The Standards suck and are a crime against the gamingverse." But too many complainers act like there is, and even carry on at times as if everyone agrees with them.

Zelalem's post above basically indicates that anyone who has an experience that differs from him and his friends is essentially fake, phony or a lie. Because no one in their right mind would be tricked into thinking a Gran Turismo replay was real world racing footage. Well, except some do.

Now look. Any experience or attitude that you guys have is yours, and you're welcome to it, and to express it here. But acting like you're the demigods of Truth and Reason, and anyone who disagrees or has a different experience or attitude is some kind of dummyhead, that's really quite arrogant. Of course, there's no shortage of that on the intranets these days.
 
My fear is that they shove in Premium GT5/6 models and those models will look glaringly less impressive than cars built just for GT7 and the PS4. We didn't notice the flaws on GT4 car models until we saw GTHD.

GT5 models are fine, they have no obvious flaws and the assets are a higher quality that what is actually in the game. We are getting diminishing returns, there is not much more room to improve the car models. Even sometimes in GT5/6 photo mode they look very realistic. Realistic looking = realistic looking no matter how many more polygons you throw at it.
 
Zelalem's post above basically indicates that anyone who has an experience that differs from him and his friends is essentially fake, phony or a lie. Because no one in their right mind would be tricked into thinking a Gran Turismo replay was real world racing footage. Well, except some do.

Now look. Any experience or attitude that you guys have is yours, and you're welcome to it, and to express it here. But acting like you're the demigods of Truth and Reason, and anyone who disagrees or has a different experience or attitude is some kind of dummyhead, that's really quite arrogant. Of course, there's no shortage of that on the intranets these days.
You said that in your opinion GT6 can dupe you into thinking you're watching a real race and some of your friends agree. @Zelalem disagreed and said he and his friends have never thought GT6 looked real. He gave the opposite opinion to you. I fail to see how that's acting like he's the Demi-God of Truth and Reason. If he is, you are guilty of the same.
 
I think these two posts embody a problem around here.


The problem is that, for too many people here, negative remarks and attitudes about Gran Turismo are automatically true, and anyone who actually likes the game and DARES to say anything good about it is full of wrongness. And some wonder why a few old hands have departed for saner pastures...

The kicker is that a lot of these arguments are purely driven by opinion. There is no empirical truth that states, "The Standards suck and are a crime against the gamingverse." But too many complainers act like there is, and even carry on at times as if everyone agrees with them.

Zelalem's post above basically indicates that anyone who has an experience that differs from him and his friends is essentially fake, phony or a lie. Because no one in their right mind would be tricked into thinking a Gran Turismo replay was real world racing footage. Well, except some do.

Now look. Any experience or attitude that you guys have is yours, and you're welcome to it, and to express it here. But acting like you're the demigods of Truth and Reason, and anyone who disagrees or has a different experience or attitude is some kind of dummyhead, that's really quite arrogant. Of course, there's no shortage of that on the intranets these days.
PS2 assets in a PS4 game would be wrong, there is a truth that nobody else in the gaming world has or will do such a thing with good reason.
 
My fear is that they shove in Premium GT5/6 models and those models will look glaringly less impressive than cars built just for GT7 and the PS4. We didn't notice the flaws on GT4 car models until we saw GTHD.
You saw flaws in GT4 cars when GTHD came along because there was an enormous increase in screen resolution and graphics technology had made decent progress in the time between those games. I'm pretty sure it was also stated in an interview at some point that GT's highest quality car models haven't actually been used in the PS3 games, because all of GT5/6's cars were built to be futureproof, hence why they take so long.
In short, GT5/6 cars with new PS4 shaders will look perfect.
 
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