CodeRedR51
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But but but... Proper hellaflush tends to hurt performance so isn't it more of a travesty on RWD cars which are generally agreed to be "better" than FWD cars?
Depends on the driver.
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Depends on the driver.
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Depends on the driver.
Depends on your definition of "better." There are faster fwd cars than some rwders but IMO nothing matches RWD fun
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Yes, but as I said, depends on your definition of better. F1's definition is faster, obviously. If you're definition of better is how it does in the snow, how easy it is to drive, etc. a fwd car can have its advantages. That being said, I personally thing MR is the best 👍 for fun, speed, and looks
Plus who doesn't like having an engine less than a foot behind their head 
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Depends on the driver.
Yes, but as I said, depends on your definition of better. F1's definition is faster, obviously. If you're definition of better is how it does in the snow, how easy it is to drive, etc. a fwd car can have its advantages. That being said, I personally thing MR is the best 👍 for fun, speed, and looks
I'm not saying FWD SUX ZOMG (my daily is FWD, I have fun with it, it would be no better performing if it was RWD), just that at the end of the day it is somewhat handicapped in terms of ultimate performance. So if you're going to destroy the car's capability to do anything you may as well make it a FWD. Also, correct stance != ruin, taking it too far does.
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Depends on your definition of "better." There are faster fwd cars than some rwders but IMO nothing matches RWD fun
True.
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FWIW I also think the subaru looks pretty good on those wheels. A buddy of mine had the same wheels on his celica which looked pretty decent.
CodeRedR51
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Yeah I've seen them on Celica's and a Prius here and there, but never on a Subaru until now.
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So getting wheels other than stock wheels make the car not simple?
It's the simple fact that the more "balanced" a car is, the better it will perform. This means getting the mass as low as possible and as close to the center of the car as possible to reduce its moment of inertia. Making the cars awd will increase weight, moi, and increase powertrain loss. All without increasing the tire's potential grip on asphalt.
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That's not what I said. I'm talking about the little, individual simple things people come up with to make their car "theirs". Screw the fads, be a leader. The owner of that Subaru Wagon is a leader, because that's the first time I've seen TC wheels on a Subaru.
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Every driver has a different style of racing, I like driving a fwd, but 75procent of this board hate it.. But in F1, it's prooven that mid-engined cars with real wheel drive are faster. As said, awd is heavy and loses mechanical grip and fwd can't put the power down like rwd does. Fwd cars pull while rwd push, it's also a weight issue. When a car moves forwards, the weight goes to the back so a fwd's front get's really light, too light, no grip. Rwd uses the weight to get the grip it needs..
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I understand your point but stock TC wheels aren't a good example of those "simple little things." This is coming from someone who isn't too much into trends. On the other hand, it doesn't mean I avoid something that looks good just because someone else has done it.
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CodeRedR51
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I just come from a background of friends (and myself) that didn't make enough money to buy aftermarket parts and modified our cars with OEM parts from other generations of the same car, or cars from other makes. Thats the simple way.
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Carlos
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So? If it looks good en performs well, why not? I'm getting sick of all those CCW's lately, so it's good to see something different.. Who said that 'stock' rims are bad? That's BS.
Dang girls, stop the crap.. Don't you see what you girls are doing? Demotivating to make his car to his likes..
C'mon, hate it!!! 'troll face'
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I agree, just don't let yourself (and readers) get confused with the difference between a style and a technique. Drivers have different styles, ex: One may be patient while the other may tend to want to jump into things. But there is only one best way to drive a given car: this is through the drivers technique.
It is heavy but it does not necessarily loose mechanical grip. the reason it works while the car is sliding better than a rwd car is because the front wheels can also be used to create friction as opposed to just rolling around with the rear wheels in charge of resisting the car's momentum like in a rwd. So it's great for lose surfaces and sliding faster than a rwd car.
This is also true to a certain extent. The weight transfer problem is really mostly significant during launches but once the car gets up to racing speed this is less problematic. In fact, you can see on high end front wheel drive race cars how much they move the engine back to improve weight distribution and centralization. What then becomes the problem is simply the tires over-worked because of there being both cornering, acceleration, and braking loads on them.
EDIT: Changing stock parts for other stock parts = stock look. Period. That 350z and the Subaru are perfect examples. If this is the look you're after then all the power to ya.
I may have mentioned it here before...but for the record, I worked my ass off in high school so that I could afford the watanabes I have now (among other parts.) All while all the honda kids around me were doing (and still are) what you described. Stock is stock, no matter how you look at it.
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CodeRedR51
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There's no problem with that.
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Some yes, in the sense that they may compliment the car's stock design, but they are not the better neither in look nor function.
I guess if you think stock things are impressive.
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What's wrong with "stock" parts?
Honestly... some manufacturers farm out wheel design for their "sporting" models to aftermarket wheel makers... in fact, many "stock" wheels, even on lower-end vehicles are produced by aftermarket companies.
And some "aftermarket" wheels are "inspired" by designs for "stock" wheels that have become very popular... Minilites for one...
The only "problem" with "stock" wheels is that they're usually narrower than aftermarket fitment. Usually meaning not always. And sometimes not as inventive in terms of looks... but then, considering the million-and-one VOLK-style clones on the market, that's a complaint that can be levelled at wheels of all stripe.
Seriously... some of the best new designs I've seen are "stock." Ford Focus ST split-spokes are in big demand here in Asia...
I also love those Golf rims. Funkadelic...
Honestly... some manufacturers farm out wheel design for their "sporting" models to aftermarket wheel makers... in fact, many "stock" wheels, even on lower-end vehicles are produced by aftermarket companies.
And some "aftermarket" wheels are "inspired" by designs for "stock" wheels that have become very popular... Minilites for one...
The only "problem" with "stock" wheels is that they're usually narrower than aftermarket fitment. Usually meaning not always. And sometimes not as inventive in terms of looks... but then, considering the million-and-one VOLK-style clones on the market, that's a complaint that can be levelled at wheels of all stripe.
Seriously... some of the best new designs I've seen are "stock." Ford Focus ST split-spokes are in big demand here in Asia...
I also love those Golf rims. Funkadelic...
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I guess if you think stock things are impressive.
My brother had some black powder coated Si wheels on his EF hatch. Looked great. 👍
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I stopped trying to wrap my head around the idea of spending a bunch of money on oem parts when I made friends with a bunch of VW guys.
Especially when said money could be used on an aftermarket part that worked better and looked better. I dunno how many times I've tried to understand how "plus, it's an oem part." was considered a "pro" against another part meant to increase performance(that did it better).
I've had more luck understanding the logic behind ricers(despite not agreeing with it).
Especially when said money could be used on an aftermarket part that worked better and looked better. I dunno how many times I've tried to understand how "plus, it's an oem part." was considered a "pro" against another part meant to increase performance(that did it better).
I've had more luck understanding the logic behind ricers(despite not agreeing with it).
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OEM surplus often means:
a.) They're cheap
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b.) Someone shucked them off with barely any miles on them for an aftermarket set.
It's like buying brand new wheels for much, much less.
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Yes, you can get aftermarkets that perform much, much better. There will always be a racing wheel that performs better than any OEM fitment that is meant to last over 300,000 miles.
But the discussion of wheels, as I see it, is often a matter of aesthetics as much as performance... otherwise we'd all be riding on 9" wide 13" or 15" wheels.
(Yes, I have one set of stock rims and one set of aftermarket rims for my car. The wider aftermarket rims are for track days.)
a.) They're cheap
and
b.) Someone shucked them off with barely any miles on them for an aftermarket set.
It's like buying brand new wheels for much, much less.
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Yes, you can get aftermarkets that perform much, much better. There will always be a racing wheel that performs better than any OEM fitment that is meant to last over 300,000 miles.
But the discussion of wheels, as I see it, is often a matter of aesthetics as much as performance... otherwise we'd all be riding on 9" wide 13" or 15" wheels.
(Yes, I have one set of stock rims and one set of aftermarket rims for my car. The wider aftermarket rims are for track days.)
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Yeah at least one can understand that ricers are simply ignorant of things.
...Stock wheels, yeah. I guess one man's junk is another man's treasure.
Wut? I hope youre not implying that aftermarket wheels aren't "meant" to last as long as stock
But the discussion of wheels, as I see it, is often a matter of aesthetics as much as performance... otherwise we'd all be riding on 9" wide 13" or 15" wheels.
Performance IS the aesthetics. And if theres anyone using a 13x9 wheel then I really hope those are some good brakes under there that could fully use a tire that fits a 9.
I have the wats as dailies and the tc105n for "performance driving," that way I don't have to wake up every day and look at a lowered Miata on stock daisies. One of the most horrific sights in the car world.
