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Keef
The picture itself is of an F1 car drifting past some flaming wreckage, which is awesome. Risking your life to do what you love and dieing while doing it is epic. A passionate race car driver would be disgusted that you think he'd be happier dieing of old age sitting in a wheel chair, or playing cards in a nursing home.
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You have PM (or will very shortly).

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Darth Vader Lotus, Vauxhall Edition.
 
Keef
The picture itself is of an F1 car drifting past some flaming wreckage, which is awesome. Risking your life to do what you love and dieing while doing it is epic. A passionate race car driver would be disgusted that you think he'd be happier dieing of old age sitting in a wheel chair, or playing cards in a nursing home.
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Spot on. At least considering the typical driver of that era. Even as Alan Jones said, quoted from Driving Ambition, "I think it fair to say we're a callous lot about death. If I were killed tomorrow, Frank [of Williams F1] would probably say, 'That's too bad; AJ was a bit of a character.' The truth may not be attractive, but it remains true. Frank is in the business of motor racing and, in his plans, I am a cog. We are bloody mercenaries and we can't get hysterical every time someone gets killed."

No one here ever took light of the death of anyone. It is an amazing photo regardless of who was involved or who died that season. If you're going to complain about people dying in F1 than complain about people dying everywhere else in motorsports, as there are plenty other examples previously posted where it can be done. Dying in general is a common thing and noone here is taking that fact lightly. That photo is a tribute to that particular era of motorsports and symbolizes quite a bit in terms of how the sport has evolved over the decades which is part of what makes it epic. If it wasn't for Imakuni, we would've all awed at the epicness of that photo and simply moved on.

EDIT: Imakuni, if you have been visiting this thread long enough you'd know that I rarely use the word epic.

EDIT #2: Because it is an imports thread after all...

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Carlos
'iirc'? Don't know what that means. On the last 2 photos they were rebuilding it. How much power does it have now? Thing was already bloody fast :scared:
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iirc means "If I recall correctly".

I don't see it on their blog, but I thought I read somewhere a while ago that it was being rebuilt.
 
speed junkie
If it wasn't for Imakuni, we would've all awed at the epicness of that photo and simply moved on.

EDIT: Imakuni, if you have been visiting this thread long enough you'd know that I rarely use the word epic.
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Then maybe I am of a different school of thought than you. It interests me why I see it one way and others see it a different way, but that's for elsewhere.

I wouldn't notice if you use the word 'epic' on a regular basis or not, I barely remember usernames let alone common vocab!

Rue, i've seen that VX at Combe too. There is a very similar Exige that was parked next to it (Team Dynamics, carbon wrap, but with no website address on the side) with tree sap all over it!
 
Perfect Balance
That happened quite a while ago. In fact, iirc, that car is driving again. With more power.
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The Scorch Racing S15 is up and running again, had a shakedown recently and is being prepared to be shipped to Austraila for WTAC, if it isn't already on its way.
Dunno whether it's producung even more power, but as an S-chassis fan, I'm glad it'll be entering the WTAC.
 
Keef
The picture itself is of an F1 car drifting past some flaming wreckage, which is awesome. Risking your life to do what you love and dieing while doing it is epic. A passionate race car driver would be disgusted that you think he'd be happier dieing of old age sitting in a wheel chair, or playing cards in a nursing home.
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Leave it to Keef to say something so utterly stupid.

"Remember Ayrton Senna's death. So sad."
"Yeah, it was pretty epic when he died after hitting that wall."

:rolleyes:
 
So, it's epic when someone dies while doing something they love? So when a pilot dies in a plane crash, it's epic? If a man has a heart attack & dies doing his hobby, it's epic?

You guys must be riots at funerals....
 
McLaren
So, it's epic when someone dies while doing something they love? So when a pilot dies in a plane crash, it's epic?
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As far as ways to die go, yes. Though the comparison only really stands if he was doing something on the limits of the plane's capabilities with a rather high degree of danger.

An enthusiast dying in a traffic accident is not epic in any way. Said enthusiast having **** happen with the car already at the limit at the track... Still tragic but also epic in its own right.

McLaren
If a man has a heart attack & dies doing his hobby, it's epic?
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Less so. It's one thing where the "hobby" is something you know can kill or maim you. Having a heart attack standing in your basement doing some woodworking is considerably less epic than going out in a gigantic ball of flame you knew was coming.
 
Edit* Nevermind, it's not worth the effort to drag one's death out in a debate as to whether or not it was an epic moment. It's not as far as I'm concerned b/c we might as well consider every soldier killed in battle an epic moment seeing as they were risking their lives, quite possibly doing what they loved, as Keef liked to put it as.


It does not surprise me in the least bit which members are thinking this way.
 
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Keef
The picture itself is of an F1 car drifting past some flaming wreckage, which is awesome. Risking your life to do what you love and dieing while doing it is epic. A passionate race car driver would be disgusted that you think he'd be happier dieing of old age sitting in a wheel chair, or playing cards in a nursing home.
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The picture in question is of Jackie Stewart (Piers Courage's car with his burning body is in the background)

Jackie Stewart would be disgusted that you think dying whilst doing something you love is 'epic' in any sense of the word.

Interview with Jackie Stewart
Sir Jackie, 70, who won three Formula One World Championships in the late 1960s and early 1970s, said the deaths of 57 drivers in an 11-year period during his career had a traumatic effect on him. At the time he was able to suppress his emotions so as to continue in competitive racing but now, in retirement, he grieves for their loss.

They include seven of his closest friends, including two-times Formula One world champion Jim Clark, whose Lotus-Cosworth somersaulted through the air and smashed into a tree during a Formula Two race at the Nürburgring, Germany, in April 1968.

Sir Jackie, speaking on BBC Radio Scotland's Stuff of Legends, to be broadcast tomorrow, said he was able to "block out" his grief at the time in order to perform. But he said the mental and emotional "scars" had emerged in later life.

He told interviewer Bryan Cooney: "When I was racing I could block it off very successfully – because it was sadly an occasion that was too often happening, with such regularity in some cases that it was absolutely shocking. When I look back in my life at those moments, for whatever reason, I was able to almost remove emotion and grief. I can't do that now.

"I have a belief that there was a wee sack of something round my heart, a fluid that somehow was able to dilute my grief as it was happening. That saved my life and allowed me to continue and do the things that might otherwise have been difficult to do. I think it happened so often however that the reservoir went dry. So today I quite often find myself more emotional than most people would ever think Jackie Stewart would have within him in the way of sorrow.

"Because, when I think back, I saw things that a man or woman should never see. They were real scars into my mind and emotional balance. At the time I was able to block them off, but every now and again they return and they will never be forgotten."
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I didn't intend on running this excellent thread totally off topic, but the burning wreck of a single-seater of that era rarely ment anything other than a horrific and often fatal outcome. It's not even as if it's a shot of Stewart deftly sliding his way around a corner in a controlled drift, he's obviously lost the backend due to all the oil and fluids that have poured down the surface of the track from the crash behind.
 
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McLaren
Leave it to Keef to say something so utterly stupid.

"Remember Ayrton Senna's death. So sad."
"Yeah, it was pretty epic when he died after hitting that wall."

:rolleyes:
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Wikipedia
An epic (from the Ancient Greek adjective ἐπικός (epikos'pi), from ἔπος (epos) "word, story, poem"[1]) is a lengthy narrative poem, ordinarily concerning a serious subject containing details of heroic deeds and events significant to a culture or nation
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If we're using epic in its original meaning, I see nothing wrong here. Nobody would've complained if the picture was called 'dramatic', right?
It's just that most people on the internet use 'epic' with a positive connotation in mind, while its original meaning is quite neutral.

Calling something 'epic' isn't necessarily judging whether it's good or bad, so I don't see anything wrong to use it in this case, even though I, myself, would've preffered to 'dramatic' in this case.

So, can we please move on now?
 
I personally don't believe that any driver who died racing, if asked the question before the race, "Would you rather go out there and die today at 30 years of age or live another 30+ healthy years, finishing your racing career and seeing your grandchildren along the way?" would have picked the first option.
 
Eric.
I personally don't believe that any driver who died racing, if asked the question before the race, "Would you rather go out there and die today at 30 years of age or live another 30+ healthy years, finishing your racing career and seeing your grandchildren along the way?" would have picked the first option.
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Nice twist, is that like Honda Math? ;)

Try again with the reality of you dont know when you will die.


Basically any racer would rather die racing then in traffic on the way to race or any other unexpected way.


What you should of asked. Would you rather died on track today or off track today.

They would all answer on track doing what we love.
 
Luminis
If we're using epic in its original meaning, I see nothing wrong here. Nobody would've complained if the picture was called 'dramatic', right?
It's just that most people on the internet use 'epic' with a positive connotation in mind, while its original meaning is quite neutral.
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Which is exactly how it was used in this thread. They can twist it however they'd like.
OwensRacing
Basically any racer would rather die racing then in traffic on the way to race or any other unexpected way.

What you should of asked. Would you rather died on track today or off track today.

They would all answer on track doing what we love.
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Oh really? And what makes your assumption anymore valid?
Because I agree with Eric's logic. A racer would most likely prefer to die with his family near him after a long life than a sudden death on a track. Otherwise, if all racers would prefer to die on a race track than any other time, as you claim, I'd be amazed we weren't seeing more deciding to kill themselves at the track through risky maneuvers during the end of their career. Because, after all, the only options left after your racing career is "dieing of old age sitting in a wheel chair, or playing cards in a nursing home". I'm sure that's exactly what Stewart, Moss, & Brabham are doing now-a-days....

Your question isn't any better because I'm quite a positive a race car driver when asked how he would prefer to die today would be, "Neither".
 
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