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[Kamuifanboy]

Did my first Super Speedway Nationwide (Class B) race a few hours ago. Simply exhilarating stuff. I need to practice my drafting technique though. Not really used to it because of my Formula Car background. I didn't crash anyone, or get crashed. And finished 12th out of 22 cars so, I can't really complain at all

 

[Pingwhen]

Glad you like is kaumifanboy! it is SO MUCH fun SO intense. honestly so is oval racing in general. the super speedways are obviously much more intense. but you get alot of the same feelings when running normal ovals as well.

 

[Jav]

The only thing I really hate about the ovals is the stupid cautions and how much you spend behind the pace car, I did the Daytona 500 earlier this year and by some miraculous reason I was on pole, so I was safe from the lunacy going on behind me, but after an hour and a half and not even at 30% of the race I couldn't take it anymore so I pitted and retired!
Yeah round and round isn't for me...

 

[cnd01]

My experiences with oval tracks are limited to mainly bottom split street stock. It's really easy to finish well if you can avoid the wrecks. Also, week 13 is a spectator week from experience

 

[Mac K]

I'd love to run some ovals but I can justify the expense, I buy too much road content as it is and barely use it, so I know I won't even touch the ovals.

 

[cnd01]

I'd love to run some ovals but I can justify the expense, I buy too much road content as it is and barely use it, so I know I won't even touch the ovals.

The only ovals I own other than the free ones are Daytona and Indy because I race the roval for road, and I might only buy one or two more oval tracks being homestead and Kansas but it will be just as much for the roval as the oval.

 

[BRP17]

Carb Cup is fun for s#itz and giggles.
It helped me learn how to work the draft.

 

[Jav]

I love Carb Cup, what I can't stand is the crazy ammount of yellow flags on the regular series.

 

[cnd01]

I love Carb Cup, what I can't stand is the crazy ammount of yellow flags on the regular series.

Speaking of yellow flags, is iracing thinking about adding FCY conditions for road? I wouldn't necessarily like it

 

[smuffyatfcp]

Speaking of yellow flags, is iracing thinking about adding FCY conditions for road? I wouldn't necessarily like it

Hope not. Just bunches the feild up and some people cant even get to the line without crashing

 

[cnd01]

Hope not. Just bunches the feild up and some people cant even get to the line without crashing

The pace lap is almost as treacherous in street stock as the first turn

 

[Kamuifanboy]

I for one would really like full course yellows as they are part of real life racing and it would give me more practice for strategic situations along with restarts. But, the feature is pretty much useless since you can hold ESC at anytime and get out of your car.

 

[cnd01]

I for one would really like full course yellows as they are part of real life racing and it would give me more practice for strategic situations along with restarts. But, the feature is pretty much useless since you can hold ESC at anytime and get out of your car.

If the room was set with no esc then it can be done. I think cautions won't come into play until debris and fluid effects from cars are added when or if that ever happens

 

[polarbear345]

I think they would be really cool. I always wish we could have a nice breather on long races.

 

[cnd01]

I think they would be really cool. I always wish we could have a nice breather on long races.

It would open up a huge plethora of pit strategy for road

 

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[Jav]

Speaking of yellow flags, is iracing thinking about adding FCY conditions for road? I wouldn't necessarily like it

Hope not. Just bunches the feild up and some people cant even get to the line without crashing

I for one would really like full course yellows as they are part of real life racing and it would give me more practice for strategic situations along with restarts. But, the feature is pretty much useless since you can hold ESC at anytime and get out of your car.

I'm kind of 50-50 on this one... On regular every day non split races it would be just as bad as the oval side if not worse...maybe if they could somehow use heavy damage as a trigger and not just a simple spin it would be great, or maybe if the global total number of incidents exceeds 12 in a single lap.
There's many ways it could be incorporated without it becoming a joke, specially when most of the popular series are time limited rather than a set amount of laps. If done properly it would definitely be a great addition to the service, specially for endurance racing with the driver swaps on the horizon.

 

[cnd01]

I'm kind of 50-50 on this one... On regular every day non split races it would be just as bad as the oval side if not worse...maybe if they could somehow use heavy damage as a trigger and not just a simple spin it would be great, or maybe if the global total number of incidents exceeds 12 in a single lap.
There's many ways it could be incorporated without it becoming a joke, specially when most of the popular series are time limited rather than a set amount of laps. If done properly it would definitely be a great addition to the service, specially for endurance racing with the driver swaps on the horizon.

If gravel traps are made realistic then it could help but the no split races would be entirely under caution as everyone would end up in the sand. Your idea of an incident per lap based system would work assuming everyone doesn't destroy each other turn 1 which doesn't happen in the splits I'm in unless it's a race with no split. Once iracing gets a debris/fluid system for crashed cars, that will help determine cautions. I think unless the crash leaves debris/fluid, it should have to be multi-car for a FCY. If it's set up correctly, I'm all for a road FCY system

 

[polarbear345]

I think they would only use it in races over 30 minutes (Or a race with enough laps to make them worth it)

Even in the trucks, if you get 3 cautions a race, it really doesn't "feel" that bad. Granted a road caution may take a little longer, I still think they would be great to have as an option.

 

[Jav]

Cautions could be a great feature if implemented correctly, sadly there will always be a compromise somewhere with an automated system. Currently there are series out there that use cautions very successfully with live stewards, for obvious reasons this is not an option on official sessions that's why they need to really find what would be a reasonable trigger for a yellow flag.

 

[cnd01]

I think they would only use it in races over 30 minutes (Or a race with enough laps to make them worth it)

Even in the trucks, if you get 3 cautions a race, it really doesn't "feel" that bad. Granted a road caution may take a little longer, I still think they would be great to have as an option.

A road caution would take anywhere from 5-10 minutes out of the race depending on track and what series it is. Think about the grand am races that are 45 minutes. 4-5 cautions and the race could very well be over. I think cautions for lap count races on road are more feasible unless the timed race is really long.

Cautions could be a great feature if implemented correctly, sadly there will always be a compromise somewhere with an automated system. Currently there are series out there that use cautions very successfully with live stewards, for obvious reasons this is not an option on official sessions that's why they need to really find what would be a reasonable trigger for a yellow flag.

Jav I can't agree more, and if it's not done correctly, I see what example I gave polar happening

 

[Kamuifanboy]

All this being said, I wish iRacing reads this thread because this is a really good potential idea for the future.

 

[cnd01]

All this being said, I wish iRacing reads this thread because this is a really good potential idea for the future.

Me too. It's a great idea if done right. I would rather see rain and debris/fluid added in first though

 

[superbike81]

If they would eliminate the totally stupid an "un-sim-like" feature of cars simply disappearing off the track when someone calls for a tow I would be very happy. This would actually make full course cautions required and make things more realistic overall.

I hate the "it's a SIM not a game!" people who complain in the very next thread about something that will make the sim more realistic.

 

[zslane]

I guarantee that if wrecked cars could teleport to the garage in real life, everyone in NASCAR would be thrilled. Why not enjoy the advantages afforded by the virtual environment?

 

[Ardius]

If they would eliminate the totally stupid an "un-sim-like" feature of cars simply disappearing off the track when someone calls for a tow I would be very happy. This would actually make full course cautions required and make things more realistic overall.

I hate the "it's a SIM not a game!" people who complain in the very next thread about something that will make the sim more realistic.

Its also "un-sim-like" for us to feel no pain from crashes....

You know it is "simulation" not "reality" right? We don't have to simulate everything and at least for me I have no interest in halting the racing for something that isn't an issue.
The reason we have safety cars/yellow flags/red flags in reality is for safety. But as there are no safety concerns in a simulation, whats the point?

This is one aspect of reality I'm quite happy isn't simulated. It doesn't add anything to the racing, only takes away in the pursuit of what? To add a strategic element? I'd rather have the continuous racing than artificially created "strategic decisions".

 

[Kamuifanboy]

Just won my first big oval race! Albeit a bit of luck. Pushed the leader all the way to lap 24 when he got loose. I had nowhere to go but overtake. And at the same time the Yellow came out. Followed by another yellow just a corner after the restart and I was able to win under yellow. Would of liked to finish under green but, I'll take it!

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I can understand your point Ardius.

In my opinion though, Yellow Flags are a part of real racing that brings in a whole new dimension of strategy. There are those that are able to drive fast, and they often win races in iRacing but, add this feature and those of us who are thinkers are able to have our say in the race as well. With the current system, only the fastest drivers are really given an opportunity for the victory. Which is nothing like real life.

In real life, I have never really been known for being that outright fast guy but, I am the guy that uses his brain to construct the best possible performance.

 

[superbike81]

Exactly.

We don't get hurt in sim racing because it's not feasible to set something up like that.

But simulating things that happen in real life racing are something we should try our best to do.

So sand/gravel runoff should not be easy to drive out of or slide right through into a wall. Disabled cars should stay in their place until they are towed away. These add elements of strategy just like Shinya mentioned above. There are 100 other things I could mention, but I think listing a couple should illustrate my thoughts well enough.

 

[cnd01]

Its also "un-sim-like" for us to feel no pain from crashes....

You know it is "simulation" not "reality" right? We don't have to simulate everything and at least for me I have no interest in halting the racing for something that isn't an issue.
The reason we have safety cars/yellow flags/red flags in reality is for safety. But as there are no safety concerns in a simulation, whats the point?

This is one aspect of reality I'm quite happy isn't simulated. It doesn't add anything to the racing, only takes away in the pursuit of what? To add a strategic element? I'd rather have the continuous racing than artificially created "strategic decisions".

But in real life, drivers don't have to have a certain "safety rating" to race certain cars. Heck if you have enough money, you can race anything you want. I'm all for safety rating don't get me wrong, but I think cautions provide drivers with a chance to relax and get some closer racing at the end

 

[zslane]

But in real life, drivers don't have to have a certain "safety rating" to race certain cars.

Drivers don't, but owners do in the form of operating expenses, and in iRacing you are both driver and car owner. The most useful way to look at SR is as iRacing's currency, a way to measure car repair costs. That's why you "pay" for every incident/wreck regardless of who is actually at fault. In fact, as I understand it, iRacing considered having a currency system for such in-game maintenance activities as repairs, setup changes, etc. but went with the simpler SR system instead.