Is GT Sport Actually GT7? Kaz Himself Responds (Video)

[Tassie_tiger]

A few too many assumptions for me I'm afraid.

Too many times I've heard him say that the emphasis is on sport, so he called it 'Sport'.
But 'looking back he could have called it 7'

Nothing there for me to say the old formula won't be re-introduced.
Nor that the next title will be called GTS2.

Either one may be true, but there's not enough evidence in my eyes at this stage.

 

[Neomone]

Nothing there for me to say the old formula won't be re-introduced.

You should watch the video in the OP.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Either one may be true, but there's not enough evidence for either in my eyes at this stage.

Are you responding to the video in this thread? This is the newest report


My video is A month old, but I still came to this current conclusion is all that I was saying.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

I've seen the clip many times.
As I've seen many interviews many times.

'GT Sport is a new generation'
'It's not a continuation'
'Could have called it GT7'
'Full of new innovations it makes us feel like GT1'
etc. etc.

The only thing I see that fails towards following the old formula is the apparent 'rebuild of cars and tracks'.
And therefore a lack of cars and tracks.
Otherwise ....

What's to say the FIA deal won't crumble?
What's to say the next game isn't so 'sport' orientated?
What's to say GT Sport will be a commercial success and worth maintaining as a series?

GTS2 isn't carved in stone is all I'm saying.
And such an assumption 4 months before the first one is released, while that even may turn out to be correct, is a guess at best.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I've seen the clip many times.
As I've seen many interviews many times.

'GT Sport is a new generation'
'It's not a continuation'
'Could have called it GT7'
'Full of new innovations it makes us feel like GT1'
etc. etc.

The only thing I see that fails towards following the old formula is the apparent 'rebuild of cars and tracks'.
And therefore a lack of cars and tracks.
Otherwise ....

What's to say the FIA deal won't crumble?
What's to say the next game isn't so 'sport' orientated?
What's to say GT Sport will be a commercial success and worth maintaining as a series?

GTS2 isn't carved in stone is all I'm saying.
And such an assumption 4 months before the first one is released, while that even may turn out to be correct, is a guess at best.

OK just making sure you have the current interview. You are entitled to your opinion too, but most of the GT community in this thread is focusing on and discussing the projected goal of Polyphony Digital and GT Sport if all goes according to plan. To understand the direction that Polyphony Digital is headed in with Gran Turismo, not every improbability that could derail the plan. and after this last interview it is now known PD is NOT planning on going in the direction they consider backwards, or Last Gen GT 1-6, GT Sport is the intended future with NO plans of A GT 7 and to hope for or consider anything opposite is pessimistic and improbable is all I am saying. And the purpose for my post is NOT to name the next title of the GT series, but to confirm that GT7 is NOT a planned separate title for the future of the GT series.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Have you read this thread?

I'm sorry, but essentially none of these words are factual.
"it is now known PD is NOT planning on going in the direction they consider backwards, or Last Gen GT 1-6, GT Sport is the intended future with NO plans of A GT 7"

Your opinion maybe, but certainly not factual.
And again, until I hear otherwise from credible sources, and in a time frame relatively close to the next release from this franchise, your 'conclusion' is simply an assumption and your personal guess.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Have you read this thread?

I'm sorry, but essentially none of these words are factual.
"it is now known PD is NOT planning on going in the direction they consider backwards, or Last Gen GT 1-6, GT Sport is the intended future with NO plans of A GT 7"

Your opinion maybe, but certainly not factual.
And again, until I hear otherwise from credible sources, and in a time frame relatively close to the next release from this franchise, your 'conclusion' is simply an assumption and your personal guess.

Credible sources??? Are You Serious It doesn't get more credible than Kaz himself, I don't know which nonfactual words you are referring to, Did you not hear Kaz's own words in the interview?? Well if you don't believe Kaz's own words, I will allow the future to confirm it to you. Enjoy GT Sport come Nov 2016.

 

[MtorWorldHype]

Have you read this thread?

I'm sorry, but essentially none of these words are factual.
"it is now known PD is NOT planning on going in the direction they consider backwards, or Last Gen GT 1-6, GT Sport is the intended future with NO plans of A GT 7"

Your opinion maybe, but certainly not factual.
And again, until I hear otherwise from credible sources, and in a time frame relatively close to the next release from this franchise, your 'conclusion' is simply an assumption and your personal guess.

I've been avoiding the debate that seems to have stemmed from the video we created but this post has inspired me. While it may not have come off as completely clear in our interview I discussed this with Kaz directly and as it is now GT Sport is the direction they are going. This is why he agreed when we asked if GT Sport was a "reboot" of the series and says there will not be a "GT 7 after this one".

Now this doesn't mean that Kaz won't change his mind in the future. However, as it stands now "GT Sport is the future with no plans of a GT 7" is factually accurate as that pretty much lines up with Kaz himself said. At this time there are no plans for a GT 7, GT Sport is a reboot of the series.

Could that change? It is certainly within the realm of possibility however this is were things stand for now.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Oops, actually you're right.

My crystal ball was acting up.
But I switched it off and switched it back on.

All's clear now.

I've been avoiding the debate that seems to have stemmed from the video we created but this post has inspired me. While it may not have come off as completely clear in our interview I discussed this with Kaz directly and as it is now GT Sport is the direction they are going. This is why he agreed when we asked if GT Sport was a "reboot" of the series and says there will not be a "GT 7 after this one".

Now this doesn't mean that Kaz won't change his mind in the future. However, as it stands now "GT Sport is the future with no plans of a GT 7" is factually accurate as that pretty much lines up with Kaz himself said. At this time there are no plans for a GT 7, GT Sport is a reboot of the series.

Could that change? It is certainly within the realm of possibility however this is were things stand for now.

Don't get me wrong, I understand.

But I've said all I can say and I don't wish to go over old ground, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[queleuleu]

I can't imagine Kaz saying : "It's just a side project, like a prologue. Don't buy it and wait a few months we'll announce GT7". He needs to sell his game from a marketing point of view, even if some of his words sound a bit too much (100 times better than any GT)

 

[7HO]

Hilarious. So when the first thing Kaz says in the video is "actually for me this is in effect Gran Turismo 7" that wasn't clear enough or an official source but when the creator of the video says that Kaz told him so it is official.

I've said over and over that some people just don't want to accept what Kaz has been saying, but what Kaz has been saying has been clear and obvious to some of us for a long time.

And like I said in the other threads, we don't know what the future may bring but at the moment the vision is clear. And I have also said it is clear that Kaz means what he says when he says it but his truth is only true until something else is true. So just because this is what it is and the direction is what it is doesn't really discount anything from the future when any number of things can happen to create a new truth.

 

[GordonS]

We haven't got the first GT Sport in our hands yet??? Where have you been? There is A ton of coverage all over the internet, from members in the GT community that were there at the reveal in London, maybe you don't believe their feedback, but I do. So that is enough to form an opinion what to expect, and that is what I did.


Really GordonS? How about GT 2-6 and Kaz called GT Sport "GT Sport 1" Himself, Watch the video dude That is the pattern that PD and most Sim devs set for themselves, I'm just following their lead. and again the point is there will be No separate release as GT7, What ever PD names it, it will not be GT7 as an additional title, A lot of people were saying they are not going to buy GT Sport, they are waiting for GT 7, and that was the purpose for the video, to add emphasis to what I was hearing, because 65% of the votes on the poll was that the GT community believe that there is going to be A GT7.


My video is A month old, and the intent was NOT to diss Kaz, but only to interpret by adding emphasis to certain phrases that Kaz actually said to prove there will be NO additional title releases as a separate title as GT 7, which is now confirmed by this thread that I was right a month ago.

How you interpreted that as A Kaz diss is contrary to the video and my statement, you seem to be Ultra Pessimistic to come to that conclusion from my post.

Read my signature: I've been very awake whole this time, from the beginning of the info flood of GTS. Still we have to wait for the release to see where the series is really going. We have not seen all that's coming I believe. As an enthusiast I'm really hyped but at the same time a bit worried, for example about how the big audience will accept the new FIA approach.
(Again, after watching your vid for the second time, I have to say there is something really off in the "emphasises".)

 

[Neomone]

We have not seen all that's coming I believe.

It's hard to see what big features would be missing though. We already have the multiplayer, the single player, the photomode, the livery editor. Course maker possibly, but I sort of doubt it with their renewed focus on visual quality; the old course maker was interesting but it was not pretty.

I'd love there to be more stuff, but I strongly suspect that this is about it given the pace that Polyphony works at. I don't expect much more, if any. I think they'll have their hands full getting weather/night and damage working to a PS4 quality.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Based on what I've seen so far, it seems as though "Sport" is the start of GT's redevelopment shall we say, and I feel as though nothing is off-limits for the new platform (or should we say a massively improved one). I say expect everything because nothing has been set in stone yet, and I'm rather intrigued to see what PD will do next. However, with that, I am a little bit concerned because there are no certainties it seems. At least at this very moment in time...

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

Hilarious. So when the first thing Kaz says in the video is "actually for me this is in effect Gran Turismo 7" that wasn't clear enough or an official source but when the creator of the video says that Kaz told him so it is official.

When I heard Kaz say that A month ago it was clear as a bell to me, that there would be no GT7 as a separate title, I mean how could it possibly be when in Kaz's mind GT7 is already done as GT Sport. but I know A lot of people don't flow through the stages of change curve, because they are blinded by what they desire instead of the facts of change.

There is 5 stages to the change curve
1) Shock
2) Denial
3) Anger
4) Fear
5) Acceptance

Some people never get past stage two when facing change, all you can do is give information to help people transition to acceptance, I think it is better to be in stage 3 or 4 then in stage 2, at least in stage 3 and 4 you're progressing.

I've been A GT fan since GT1, and I use to put all my expectation in that one title, and would get ticked off if A GT release in the series was lacking A feature I wanted, but when I tried P-CARS and Forza Motorsport 6, and F1 and Assetto Corsa next month I found it easier to accept that neither Gran Turismo or any other single Racing Simulator will ever satisfy all my Sim wants, so now I focus on the strength of each Sim title instead of the short comings, there are so many titles on console now that there is no need to put all my interest solely in GT, it's not fair to Polyphony Digital or myself. So I'm still buying GT Sport even though all of my Sim Racing needs are already met, but GT has A sentimental place as my first Racing Simulator, So I will support PD and GT Sport and give them A chance to transition to the PS4, but PD is going to have some regular car and track DLC's every month, then I'll be content with the new direction, but if PD produces new content as slow as they produced the Vision GT cars, then it will be my last GT purchase.

 

[Neomone]

I've been A GT fan since GT1, and I use to put all my expectation in that one title, and would get ticked off if A GT release in the series was lacking A feature I wanted, but when I tried P-CARS and Forza Motorsport 6, and F1 and Assetto Corsa next month I found it easier to accept that neither Gran Turismo or any other single Racing Simulator will ever satisfy all my Sim wants, so now I focus on the strength of each Sim title instead of the short comings, there are so many titles on console now that there is no need to put all my interest solely in GT, it's not fair to Polyphony Digital or myself. So I'm still buying GT Sport even though all of my Sim Racing needs are already met, but GT has A sentimental place as my first Racing Simulator, So I will support PD and GT Sport and give them A chance to transition to the PS4, but PD is going to have some regular car and track DLC's every month, then I'll be content with the new direction, but if PD produces new content as slow as they produced the Vision GT cars, then it will be my last GT purchase.

I'm still waiting to see what hole GTS will fill in my already fairly extensive library of racing games. It may end up like rF2 for me, a fine game that overlaps too much with games that I already own to be worth purchasing.

 

[Robbks]

Based on what I've seen so far, it seems as though "Sport" is the start of GT's redevelopment shall we say, and I feel as though nothing is off-limits for the new platform (or should we say a massively improved one).
I say expect everything because nothing has been set in stone yet, and I'm rather intrigued to see what PD will do next. However, with that, I am a little bit concerned because there are no certainties it seems. At least at this very moment in time...

Totally agree here.

Since GT SPort's introduction I've always felt that there WILL be a Title to follow that will be GT "Driving" Oriented as we are used to.
It would not include all the top level Racing that we see in GTS, But will be more aimed at the rest of the GT Market.
the Tuners, the Modders, the Cafe-Racers, and those who just enjoy endless laps of Sierra in an old '70's Ferrari.

Personally, I feel this model of splitting the game could be an absolute windfall for PD and Sony.
Some people might only buy one of the two titles. But most of us would buy both.

From The latest interview detailed here.
GT7, 8,9.. that theory is dead.
But GT:Sport, GTriver, GT:Rally, GT:TT (Isle of Man) GT:Bank Robber Getaway Driver, etc are all within the scope of the New Direction.

 

[MtorWorldHype]

Totally agree here.

Since GT SPort's introduction I've always felt that there WILL be a Title to follow that will be GT "Driving" Oriented as we are used to.
It would not include all the top level Racing that we see in GTS, But will be more aimed at the rest of the GT Market.
the Tuners, the Modders, the Cafe-Racers, and those who just enjoy endless laps of Sierra in an old '70's Ferrari.

Personally, I feel this model of splitting the game could be an absolute windfall for PD and Sony.
Some people might only buy one of the two titles. But most of us would buy both.

From The latest interview detailed here.
GT7, 8,9.. that theory is dead.
But GT:Sport, GTriver, GT:Rally, GT:TT (Isle of Man) GT:Bank Robber Getaway Driver, etc are all within the scope of the New Direction.

You, are very smart.

Perhaps this is all a part of a grand plan for a response to Forza's "Horizon" series. A game for the serious console racer and another game for the casual racing game fan.

They don't need to test the theory because Turn 10 Studios has already done it for them. Horizon has done well enough to warrant a third game and it has attracted fans that may not otherwise have bought a Forza "Motorsport" game.

PD doesn't even need to test this theory because Turn 10 has already demonstrated that such a strategy can work. They just have to execute everything well and things could turn out very positive for the GT brand.

Obviously there is no way to know if that is for sure what the future is but its a pretty good idea.

 

[Tassie_tiger]

Hilarious. So when the first thing Kaz says in the video is "actually for me this is in effect Gran Turismo 7" that wasn't clear enough or an official source but when the creator of the video says that Kaz told him so it is official.

I assume that is targeted at me.
You need to look a bit closer at the time stamps.
The crystal ball comment was sarcasm to the post above (at the time), and was being typed as the 'creator of the video' posted.
Nice try though.

The conversation was from the statement "Next development will be GT Sport 2."
My response - "not enough evidence" , "isn't carved in stone".

And yes, I'll want to hear from a credible source, and in a time frame relatively close to the next release from this franchise that it will be called GTS2.

I didn't say that this game (GTS) is or isn't, could or couldn't have been called GT7.
I didn't say that the next game will be called GT7.
And there is no 5 stages of denial rubbish going on.

To be naming a game that we may not even see until something like 2019 - is a guess at best.

 

[Neomone]

You, are very smart.

Perhaps this is all a part of a grand plan for a response to Forza's "Horizon" series. A game for the serious console racer and another game for the casual racing game fan.

They don't need to test the theory because Turn 10 Studios has already done it for them. Horizon has done well enough to warrant a third game and it has attracted fans that may not otherwise have bought a Forza "Motorsport" game.

PD doesn't even need to test this theory because Turn 10 has already demonstrated that such a strategy can work. They just have to execute everything well and things could turn out very positive for the GT brand.

Obviously there is no way to know if that is for sure what the future is but its a pretty good idea.

It's true, but you also have to look at Polyphony's development history. They are at best a little slow. Kaz has also completely and unequivocally ruled out farming out a Gran Turismo to another developer, so Polyphony would have to do it themselves.

I don't see how they could keep up with producing two parallel games on a reasonable timescale. They barely manage one. It'd be great if there was a division into Gran Turismo: Motorsport and Gran Turismo: Having Fun With Cars, but I don't see any way that could possibly happen.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

Breaks my heart if there wont be a 7. . . or GT as we know it (1-6). Goodluck to PD with their sales though. . . without the meat and potatoes aspect of the game (like GT 1-6 had) I doubt GT Sport can ever top 2 million sales. . . let alone the 5 million+ GT6 sold.
Im a fan from GT1, but I cant buy this at full price.
PD are hugely underestimating the value of everything their leaving out of GT Sport.
Its also heartbreaking knowing the Viper ends production next year and its the 1st GT without it.

 

[Marron]

I saw the video.
In other video I saw the same question.
Kaz would have surely tired.

He would never talk about PS4NEO until there is a official announcement.
When the GT6, he talks about the PS4 at the Nurburgring.
As a result, it appeared people to wait for ''GT6 PS4 ver.'' in Japan.

 

[Robbks]

I don't see how they could keep up with producing two parallel games on a reasonable timescale. They barely manage one. It'd be great if there was a division into Gran Turismo: Motorsport and Gran Turismo: Having Fun With Cars, but I don't see any way that could possibly happen.

The thing is, GT:S appears so stripped down compared to the usual titles,
They have the tracks and the guts of the game and physics,
All they need to do is bulk out the car list and whack a different interface structure on teh front
Voilla
GT:Whatevereyoulike

 

[Neomone]

The thing is, GT:S appears so stripped down compared to the usual titles,
They have the tracks and the guts of the game and physics,
All they need to do is bulk out the car list and whack a different interface structure on teh front
Voilla
GT:Whatevereyoulike

That wouldn't get them far though. Horizon works because while it uses basically the same car models and physics, it's a radically different experience to a track based racing sim. And there's a whole bunch of work that went into creating the open world, the time and weather, the points systems and events and "story" and all the other things that don't exist in FM that justify it's existence as an entirely separate title.

If all they do is reskin GTS, I don't see the point. They'd have to put some actual work into making it a different and unique experience. Remember, we're talking about splitting the game into two in order to appeal to different crowds. If the only difference is menus and more cars then why would anyone buy both?

I mean, they could just add new cars and a new menu, but that's the sort of stuff EA pulls. I don't think any of us want Polyphony to start putting out shovelware.

 

[Robbks]

If all they do is reskin GTS, I don't see the point. They'd have to put some actual work into making it a different and unique experience. Remember, we're talking about splitting the game into two in order to appeal to different crowds. If the only difference is menus and more cars then why would anyone buy both?

I guess if we've "lost" dynamic weather/ time in GT:S, those nice things might be being saved up for GT:Touring,
They've already got the big Course Maker maps and data to maker some epic, 20, 30, 40 km touring roads out of and the PS4 should have the grunt to handle it.
I've played a lot of the longest tracks produced with the modded course maker, and some of them are absolutely spectacular, even on the old Gen hardware
Drop 16 cars on it, in and infinite length Arcade race and keep your car stock and on CS tyres, I can waste hours just cruising and battling.

So not just a quick re-skin, but provide the "Ultimate Driving Experience"

"Staging" the release of multiple title as I think they are with GT:S this year, GT:T Next year,
It gives them a Public Beta of the tracks and online lobbies, make any changes as needed, while they're re-modelling and sampling all our favourite Road Cars for the next installment.

 

[KilzoneStrife]

That wouldn't get them far though. Horizon works because while it uses basically the same car models and physics, it's a radically different experience to a track based racing sim. And there's a whole bunch of work that went into creating the open world, the time and weather, the points systems and events and "story" and all the other things that don't exist in FM that justify it's existence as an entirely separate title.

If all they do is reskin GTS, I don't see the point. They'd have to put some actual work into making it a different and unique experience. Remember, we're talking about splitting the game into two in order to appeal to different crowds. If the only difference is menus and more cars then why would anyone buy both?

I mean, they could just add new cars and a new menu, but that's the sort of stuff EA pulls. I don't think any of us want Polyphony to start putting out shovelware.

Exactly. . . . It feels stripped down and no matter how Kaz spins it, it is. I dont believe theyve got just 140 cars made either.
It would be very sad if they
1) release paid dlc of the cars GT6 already has.
2) Paid dlc for tracks GT6 already has.
3) Dare I say it. . . everything left out feature wise is paid dlc in the end. . .

The menu system reminds me of the way Driveclub has its expansions and season pass content. They could easily do the same for GTSport.

 

[Haulin_Hebrew]

I'm still waiting to see what hole GTS will fill in my already fairly extensive library of racing games. It may end up like rF2 for me, a fine game that overlaps too much with games that I already own to be worth purchasing.

I believe that is the reason PD changed the direction of the niche market of GT from Grind and collect cars to E Sport, because Turn 10 Studios does Grind and collect cars a little bit better, but I am looking forward to new beginnings with GT Sport.

And there is no 5 stages of denial rubbish going on.

That comment was directed at the poll of my previous thread, not you Tassie_Tiger, you had already saw where you made an oversight. That is the reason I reposted my reedited video to begin with.

And it's 5 stages of the acceptance of change, and believe it or not we all go through it, It's just some do faster than others.

 

[Neomone]

I believe that is the reason PD changed the direction of the niche market of GT from Grind and collect cars to E Sport, because Turn 10 Studios does Grind and collect cars a little bit better, but I am looking forward to new beginnings with GT Sport.

I have a nasty suspicion that they saw how big eSports and Twitch are getting and decided that they wanted a slice of that action. Unfortunately, all the new games that I'm aware of that are pushing into the eSports scene have big publicity and prizes behind them.

I fear that GTS isn't going to do so well as an eSport if all it's got to offer to pros is an FIA trophy. While no one expects DotA money, it'd be nice if they put up at least a few thousand so at least it was on par with something like Rocket League. No one is going to take them seriously as a real sport if rocket cars is more rewarding as a profession.

I hope there's more to come, but what I've heard so far hasn't convinced me that they're going into this eSport thing wholeheartedly.

 

[AleksandarSRB]

Breaks my heart if there wont be a 7. . . or GT as we know it (1-6). Goodluck to PD with their sales though. . . without the meat and potatoes aspect of the game (like GT 1-6 had) I doubt GT Sport can ever top 2 million sales. . . let alone the 5 million+ GT6 sold.
Im a fan from GT1, but I cant buy this at full price.
PD are hugely underestimating the value of everything their leaving out of GT Sport.
Its also heartbreaking knowing the Viper ends production next year and its the 1st GT without it.

I agree with you about lack of content from past games (mostly about lack of gt mode). But i think that we will have new Viper ACR because its last one and its modern car, that can be good gr3 car.

 

[nocturnalgrey]

Which is exactly what would happen to 95% of daily drivers if they where put in the seat of any reasonably fast car on a race track without any sort of training.

I hate to say this, but Kaz lost the plot and subsequently is losing the lead to Turn 10. And this I am saying as a GT die hard that preorders multiple versions from different regions just to have the games.

I agree and it shows exactly why racing games are only around 5% of the video game purchases. It's also why I think PDI and FIA recognize this (as any company would) and is the reasoning behind the training session on online competition system for GTS.

To be determined. Forza 5 and 6 sales weren't exactly as big as they were in the past (similar to all racing titles really) so no one really knows if T10 is gaining market share. Either way "who" sells the most games really isn't important when the entire genre isn't anywhere near the top of the gaming mountain. I am genuinely concerned over the possibilities of racing falling into the same place as flying.

I'd propose more auto-driving aids. I know, I know – the full-rig, no-assists, economy-tire sim elitists will be up in arms over it, but a braking assist would still function within the same physics engine: the game would simply be doing the braking for the player, in much the same way an automatic transmission in GT is shifting the gears for players. Do those of us that use manual have finer control over exactly how our car is behaving? Yep. But we're still running on the same physics engine that those on auto do.

Most importantly, she was enjoying it, and she was learning about the true physics engine, not a version that bizarrely adds more grip to tires when they slip. In my opinion, that's what a good set of assists do: they guide people.

Agreed. I would like to see every single imaginable driver aid put in a game. We have to remember that not everyone is going to spend hours of practice learning how to drive in a video game.

Again, I don't see the issue because most non video game racing people won't even know what is happening when a system like SRF kicks in.

I hate to say it, but I don't think it would hurt if GTS had a near "auto drive" mode.